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| Pretty impressive books here. Promise Collection |
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| Very nice collection. Deeper pockets than mine will be need to own most of those. Not really a GA type of collector, but if someone wanted to buy the All American 61 and send it my way, I wouldn't turn it down. | ||
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| I saw some of the books from this collection over the last few weeks. It has my "too good to be true" radar on high alert. The grades, the dead soldier backstory, the family that wants to remain anonymous and therefor can't be confirmed, the "markings" that have secret meanings that the family won't reveal. Maybe time has made me cynical, but this sure smells like something that could be concocted. But as I've said previously, CGC has a license to print money and I'm generally suspicious about how ethically they are using that license. So my bias leads me to be suspicious. If it were coming out of CBCS I'm sure I would be buying in completely. | ||
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| Some really high grade books there...9.8 1940s Cap..increadible. @DrWatson I thought pedigree books had the grey/silver label colour...this one is gold/copper colour. | ||
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| I can't tell what color they are. Maybe Golden Age is gold and Silver Age is silver. If only these are the gold color, it kind of leads to EbayMafia's idea that most of this backstory is marketing. | ||
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| I heard many are over graded. In Facebook people were showing pics that had tick marks etc...on some of the 9.8s and 9.6s. Cgc sucks these days, almost feel like they are starting to slide out of favor with more and more collectors everyday, and this promise collection is a way to try and stir up intrest. | ||
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| @EbayMafia I can't disagree. The backstory makes me imagine a '90s Bruckheimer movie starring Nicholas Cage and Josh Hartnett. And what sort of deep-freeze climate do these people live in that comics can sit in an attic for 70 years and still have white pages? Maybe I have a jaundiced perspective, living in Texas. A friend who enlisted came back home to get his comics, which his parents had put in the attic. After ten years up there, they can only be looked at now - try to open or read one and it quite literally crumbles. I haven't seen anything about the family refusing to reveal the cypher of the secret markings, but of the issues I've looked at, some have markings, some don't. Those that do, most of the markings don't seem to have much of anything in common. |
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| @CatCovers I just saw that for the first time in the small print on the link above: Many of the books have markings; however, the family wishes to keep their meaning secret. Coincidentally, watching Minority Report again tonight. They use the term "Orgy of Evidence"...everything just fits too well, it all adds up to seem too good to be true. |
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| So..I'm no code cracker but from the 'secret' markings in the article some seem fairly straight forward. K, K 3/8, K 6/11.....could be someone with 'K' as an initial and 3/8 as March 8th...6/11 as June 11th? Ones a date stamp - nothing secret there!! |
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| If they were markings like where the book was bought, that's not really a secret. Actually it ties the collection together for the markings. But if books were bought and accumulated from various sources over the years, Then the markings are random and there's a chance that it's not a OO collection. The gold label is for pedigrees. There was a black and white one they used for a little while then it was voted thru the cgc forum this label being more popular. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by southerncross Ohhhh...man it's not like me to miss a scam.....holly crap..I have 'secret' markings on my books too!!! that I found in the attic at my uncles place..hence why books from the 50's and up can be in the collection!! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomicsYes, those certainly could be and probably are, but there are a lot of books that don't have the K(date) marks. They have something else entirely. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by southerncross Now you're talking about the kind of conspiracy theory that has been running through my head since I first came across this collection. Maybe I'm just consumed by envy and it's all just sour grapes...but over and over again I'm seeing things that lead me to believe the CGC has realized they have a license to print money. And they intend to use it fully. |
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| Not buying the grades 9.8 and 9.6’s yea I want to see them up close. Under grading like always I bet. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Zombie_Head And for the collection boasting highest grades. Be cool to grab random copies and put the same issues next to Church copies and really have a good look at them as comparison. Not saying the books are bad. Just wondering if they are graded the same way as other pedigrees from years ago. The collection could be legit. And one could of put together a high grade golden age collection about 30 years ago and after 30 years these high grade books would develop similar characteristics in the same storage conditions. Sure that's not the case. |
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| Incredible collection of books. I wish I had the funds to buy them all. Those pedigree labels sure do remind me of another product. I hope people don't confuse those comic books for graded sports cards from another company. Hmmmm  |
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 Why just the women? I like bears.
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| Does anyone know if there are any other pedigrees with 'secret' markings? Does anyone have any ideas why the family would want to keep a secret about comic books? | ||
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| @Gaard the only reason that I can think of why a family would want to keep quiet about a comic collection is the value associated with it. This collection is going to auction and will likely sell for very large sums. There's over 5000 books so conceivably there's millions of dollars here and they don't want that made public. The markings may also be something that reveals their identity in some way. | ||
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| those are some great looking books, but the bullshit meter is pegged to the far right | ||
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| It's very possible there's something fishy going on with this story and collection but from a non-cynical perspective, to keep these old books in such high grades, all you need is someone with the foresight, willingness and means to do so. If they have a climate controlled attic and live in a dry environment maybe this is what results. The soldier history? Can't really comment on that but it does make for a compelling story. |
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| How many people had a climate controlled attic in the 1940s? My home used to belong to my grandparents and it was built in the early 40s. They didn't even have air conditioning in the house until the late 80s. | ||
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| @DrWatson Fair enough...they would have gone up in the attic in the 1950's when the brother came back after the Korean war but I get what you're saying. Maybe climate controlled was not the best choice of words. | ||
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| Hot as hell is the best choice of words for any attic I have ever been in. | ||
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Why just the women? I like bears.
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| I got married in the mid '80s. Most of my collection went up in my mom's garage (White Cloud, MI - about 60 miles north of Grand Rapids). They hadn't been touched until a few years ago (3 or 4) I was thumbing thru them and found a bunch (12) of Wolverine Limited Series #1 (all newsstand). I sent them all to CGC (after getting them pressed). About half of them came back in 9.4 or above (2 in 9.8). My mom's garage isn't climate controlled. It gets below freezing in the winter time & over 100F in the summer. |
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| @Gaard Very interesting, so I guess the way in which the books are stored can neutralize the environmental conditions they're in. EDIT: I guess all I'm saying is we don't know anything about how the books were stored and the attic they were stored in. Regardless...this collection is pretty incredible. |
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| Anyone skeptical about the likeliness of collecting 5000 comic books by 21 years old...in the 1940's? Korean war was 1950-1953 and the brother was 21 when he died there. That's a lot of books to accumulate off newsstands and maintain in attics in pristine condition in a time when comic book storage supplies didn't exist. | ||
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| In the past, a original owner of books was bought by a dealer and brought to market. It was the market and us collectors who were the ones that would accept a collection to be deemed pedigree status. That power has been removed from us and now is dictated by third party grading companies. Third party grading companies are meant to be impartial. They are not impartial when it comes to accepting pedigree collections on our behalf. Grade the collection with us and give us the business and we will call it a pedigree. Did that happen to the mile high 2s Then years later it was deemed not a pedigree. If it was not deemed a pedigree to start with would so many have been graded? I'm not saying The Promise collection is not worthy of pedigree status. But is it not up to us the collectors and the market to come to that conclusion instead of just being told. Impartial third party grading companies should not be in the business to artificially create a collectible secondary market. Pedigree labels, character labels ect. They'll go the next step and have signed limited editions and start flogging them off on the home shopping network. Once again I'm not saying this collection is not worthy of pedigree status. But a sketchy back ground story doesn't sound good if it turns into another mile high 2 Just my thoughts on pedigrees in the age of third part grading. |
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| Considering who "us" includes these days, I'd think there would be a ton of people who think of there collection as a pedigree, and would demand it put on the label. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia In the 1940s, the print run for comics were in the millions...somebody was buying those books...and regularly. |
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Why just the women? I like bears.
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| @southerncross lots of food for thought in that post. I have a few Qs for someone who is more knowledgeable than me. Before CGC , there were pedigrees, right? (Or were they just called 'collections' ... like 'the Edgar Church collection') So, was there a panel with the 'authority' to call a collection a 'pedigree'? (Like Overstreet holding a gavel saying something like, "I proclaim this collection to be a pedigree."  Then, CGC comes along and sort of wrestles the gavel from the panel. Now they, and they alone, can declare a collection to be a pedigree? Here's a What If for ya...what if Overstreet (or CBCS for that matter) think a certain collection deserves pedigree status, but CGC doesn't? Let's say a few years down the road, CGC goes out of business. Now who has the power? Maybe Steve can shed some light on the process and who has what authority? |
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