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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Pressing is already accepted by the general collecting masses so having a label say Pressed wouldn't be detrimental. That being said, I wouldn't want that notation on the label but it wouldn't bother me in the least if it was with graders notes. People buy books of all types of grades..high, low, mid. Are you suggesting that books that have already been pressed won't sell? Collectors already openly state if a books been pressed already or not so I'm at a loss to your argument. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC That’s the key. It would be in the graders notes. The ultimate issue seems to be either fear of not getting the best price, which is understandable, or just aversion to change. I’d prefer to have more information available as a buyer and seller, but not everyone feels the need to be upfront with information, it seems. Either way, it was an idea to throw Steve’s way and probably not anything that needs to trigger people into never, ever doing business with CBCS again. I’m content to let Steve figure out if it’s worthwhile and a little tired of defending it here. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jabberwookie Perfectly acceptable and one might even say its erroneous to not notate in the graders notes that a book has been pressed. It seems counter intuitive to leave that out but maybe there's a logical reason. |
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| @GAC and there certainly might be. I’ll trust CBCS to know more about the process and any unintended consequences than me being a forum member would know. And that goes for any idea. If the man asks for ideas, I give mine, let others give theirs and go on about my day. If it’s not a good idea; then it’s not. I’ll sleep fine tonight, either way. |
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 If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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| As far as graders knowing if a book has been pressed: I agree with the general trend of graders being as blind as possible. The whole point of third-party grading is to have a professional's impartial determination, with emphasis on 'impartial'. Even if graders could avoid any subconscious urge to note what a good job their friends in the pressing office did, grading companies should want to avoid even the impression of beneficial treatment like that. As far as noting it on the slab: one of the reasons that pressing is more accepted than other restoration techniques, from my understanding, is that practically speaking you can't tell if a book has been pressed or not just by looking at it. So it would be pretty tough for CBCS to make any note of any book they didn't press, and they could only note their own if they decided to ignore my first point. |
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| @xkonk good points...and yes, I agree that cbcs could only note pressing if they pressed the book. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC @GAC as a submitter, I can see only the downside, I can't see how there would be any upside to this. I feel that noting it, even on the publicly available grader notes, runs the risk of doing to pressed books what the Purple Label did to restored books. Is there an upside to this for the submitting party that I'm missing? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Well now we're just encouraging the company to shoot their own foot off. |
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| In regards to graders not knowing that a book is pressed by CBCS, they don't even know whose books they are looking at. There is a barcode on a comic bag to keep track of it. I believe all the graders see is what the book in the bag is supposed to be and possibly an invoice number or perhaps a reference number. Regardless, my point is that if CBCS didn't want the graders to know that CBCS pressed it, they wouldn't know. However, because people are not familiar with the grading process, people will insinuate preferential treatment. For that reason alone, I think this is a no go from the start. | ||
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| @Jesse_O there is a way to make it double blind. There’s always a way to make it secure. Edit: this is an idea, thread, no? I didn’t realize it was a dog pile one idea thread. I haven’t seen this happen on any other of the ideas, and I haven’t tried to rain on everyone else’s ideas. I don’t think asking for the same courtesy is out of line? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia I don't understand why it's a negative. We all, as collectors, openly talk about pressing books. The collecting world has almost unanimously agreed that pressing a book is perfectly fine. Just for the record, I'm not insisting cbcs should do it. But I don't understand why it's a big deal to do it. It's full disclosure on a book. Its understood that pressing is not restoration....or is the reality that collectors are soft on that understanding? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O good points! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jabberwookie What I stated was not meant as piling on. With all the discussion about the graders not knowing that a book was pressed, I figured that people were not familiar with the grading process, so I thought I'd add some information to the discussion. |
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| I'd still like someone to explain why stating a book was pressed in the graders notes is a bad idea. I'm obviously missing something. The upside to the submitter is its documented that the book has been pressed and he won't forget it. The upside to the buyer (if the submitter sells) is that the buyer won't waste money pressing it again. Where's the downside? |
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| I've looked through here and haven't seen this posted but me personally as I don't own a nicer camera I tend to usually always get the image option, it would be nice to be able to download a Higher Resolution copy of the image rather than the version that auto populates on the website. Just something I would like. | ||
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| Did we get the hats though? I missed out on that part | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC @GAC based on information in the thread, the grader note could not rule out pressing so no value there. It could not confirm outside pressing so no value there. It could only confirm CBCS pressing. Why would I want a note on my books confirming that CBCS pressed it for me? I have an invoice for that. For me it's definitely a negative. If I have a choice of buying "9.0 CBCS pressed" and "9.0 no pressing information", I'm not inclined to buy the "9.0 CBCS Pressed". I would still use CBCS, but I would never use their pressing service because I don't want that added to my publicly available notes. If I were buying slabs, I would tend to avoid the ones that say "CBCS Pressed" as the books with no indication of pressing I believe would hold value better. I can't imagine a situation where the market for books noted as "CBCS Pressed" would be better than the market for books with no designation. But I can definitely imagine the reverse. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia Is that because without the CBCS Pressed notation you are thinking you could crack it out, press and conceivably get a grade bump where as if you see CBCS Pressed there's no grade bump possible? |
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| Yeah, no interest in having my graded book labeled pressed or not. If you want to determine if the book was pressed or would benefit from one, just look at the grader notes which cbcs provides for free. | ||
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| It's all good...just like to know motivation for wanting or not wanting something. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Not myself per se, buy maybe someone two or three sales down the road. As long as the book retains that option, it gives it some vague amount of extra value. But once a grader note eliminates that option, there goes any value that would have come with it. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia I get that.  |
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 If I could, I would. I swear.
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia Well, just because someone pressed it (regardless of who pressed it) doesn't mean that there isn't the possibility of a grade bump. There can be a huge difference between spending a few minutes versus a few hours on certain books. However, the notation would limit the value of the book to someone who thinks they might be able to improve the grade. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Yeah, I think at this point we are debating the subject simply to understand why the "against" side has such strong feelings about it. I don't think there's any realistic chance it would actually happen. |
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| @DrWatson Yep, the xmen 101 I posted a couple days ago was pressed (by one of the top guys) but still looks like the grade could be improved with another proper press. Sometimes pressing can damage the book too. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia Agreed. if not for the sole reason @Jesse_O gave; the potential optical misunderstanding and your reasons as well. EDIT: but I do understand why some would be ok with it in the graders notes...primarily the collectors who have no desire to sell. |
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| Pressing is restoration, regardless of it being widely accepted in order for TPGers, Pressers and Sellers to profit from. While profit has made this type of restoration practice more and more acceptable. It still has that “Dirty Little Secret” stigma attached to it that no dealer or seller wants to have attached to their books. I find it very telling that pressing techniques are so taboo that they cannot be discussed on TPGing forums Mr Borock has promptly addressed every idea mentioned here so far, but his silence on this subject is kind odd. I know it’s a controversial subject and staying politically correct is probably best, but I would like to know if he ever sees senerio where CBCS would ever release in house pressing information to their graders or note in housing pressing information on the CBCS label Ok let the heads explode....,.. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Everyone’s a seller sooner or later |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944 I think that Mr. Borock thanked everyone and wrapped up his part in the thread a day or 2 ago. Now it's just us kids spit-balling. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia I don’t believe he abandoned his own thread asking forum members for their ideas after only a couple days. It is without question a controversial discussion and as the man in charge I’m sure he has to carefully consider his comments on the subject. I apologize if I have put him between a rock and a hard place, but the subject has some strong pros and cons from both sides, and often times the best ideas forward evolve from the most spirited dialogues |
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