Spider-Man 1 1990 Yellow lizard14683
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Quote:Originally Posted by BigRonnieno need to be sorry. it was getting cracked anyway. It had puddling that was affecting the book; this gave me reason to do it before putting another sub together. I’m sorry someone wrote all over you books  |
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| If anyone is interested, I run an SM#1 Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/doomdoomdoom |
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| @HulkSmash I hated signed books until I looked at the values. I 100% realize that it decreases the pool of buyers for a book, because not everyone can pony up for sigs, but it ALWAYS ALWAYS increases the price. I collect value, not comics. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Amspider  Mediaslave has it right, this book is garbage |
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| @Ploppy You know nothing. I just told you the last 2 sales of this book were $1k & $2k. I guess because it isn't on the free version of GoCollect, you have no awareness of it. Clown. Ploppy is garbage. |
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| @Jesse_O I'd love it if you could kick it up the chain at CBCS and see why they can recognize the Blue Lizard, and not the the Copper Lizard. This is (almost) a 31yo book, and this is the 2nd most common error, behind the Blue Lizard which they recognize. I have 2 I'd love to send in to CBCS for grading..... |
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@BigRonnie don’t get mad people like to poke the bear at times. Not worth the time it takes to type a message back to them. I learned there’s always a few haters who want to start up something and then bam  the forum shuts down the thread |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Ploppy Whoa whoa, I never said it was garbage. I just don't get why its a thing. Its a minor variation in ink saturation, not a massive switch. Books have saturation changes all the time due to print tech, beginning of run vs end, blah blah...I just don't get why this minor fade is a big deal really. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BigRonnie I'll be looking into it tomorrow. I'll comment here on what I find out. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BigRonnieThat just means there are 2 other dumb people out there. Quote: Originally Posted by BigRonnie There is a site where they talk about drek like this: recalledcomics.com. Fanboys welcome! |
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| Anyway, thanks to @Amspider for brining this book to light. With 9 known copies and climbing, I assume the grading companies will come around and recognize this. Thanks for the help @Jesse_O. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BigRonnie Sad  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BigRonnie lol. This thread is a crackup. Glad I got bored enough to read todays comments. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BigRonnie Ploppy is a shill. |
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| poopy Ploppy. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Amspider We have all decided that because it's not a significant run, like the blue lizard, we would treat it like other uncommon printing defects where colors are missing. And, if we started giving every uncommon printing defect a variant, which there are many, it would become too confusing and hard to follow. Which is why we have the manufacturer error in the pedigree field. Hope that helps everyone understand the method to our madness.  |
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| @Ploppy What someone loves may be garbage to you, but it means something to them. I am sure you have stuff you love that others, who are not polite, would point out to you that it's garbage to them. It's a large hobby. We should all collect what we love, pay the price we are able to pay for books and, especially, be good to each other. |
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| Thanks you Steven for taking the time to write on this thread, I want to be clear on this. I have a blue lizard variant and will be mailing a copper lizard. Will it received the same label as the blue variant? Thanks again Miguel  |
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| @Amspider No. As I explained, the "copper" should be labeled as a manufacturing error. | ||
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| Absolutely ridiculous. Why recognize one and not the other? There are at least 6 people I know that would send this in if it would be labeled properly. Why would one be a Variant and one be a Manufacturing error. That makes no sense. This is a clear standards and consistency failure. Also "not a significant run" like the Blue Lizard? Come on..... I've tracked SM#1 almost exclusively for over 4 years now. Came across (about) 30 Blue Lizards (graded 10 with YOU) and 9 Copper Lizards and counting. How many makes the run "significant"? When I sent in my 1st Blue Lizard, there was only 1 (ONE!) on the Population report. This is silly. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BigRonnie Surely, you can realize these are rare situations. Maybe working with the guys at CBCS might yield better results than going full Karen on a public forum. I think you both make reasonable points, but you do realize you’re more emotionally invested in these “variants,” don’t you? It’s possible that ink variations might be too complex to keep track of and actually make it possible to make more errors in grading. Unless I’m missing something, it seems like what Steve said is the compromise. They don’t consider it a variant, but it is noted as different. That should still help you sell, right? |
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| None of them are really variants. They should all be listed as printing errors as that's what they are, errors. | ||
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| @DrWatson I'd be fine with consistency across the 2. They should not be handled differently, that makes no sense. @Jabberwookie Not that Rare, and yes I care. Copper - Manufacturing Error Blue - Blue Lizard Variant This makes no sense. Be consistent. |
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| @BigRonnie Yes, we get that you care, but from one perspective it looks like you’re throwing a fit because you can’t artificially raise the price of a printing error. Look, my only advice is realize both sides and work with them to see what you can offer to help them with the decision. When you start out with “This is ridiculous...” you’re not exactly giving the impression you want to have reasonable debate. Share your expertise on the subject but be prepared you might not get what you want. Edit: I’m with Doc in they both seem to be printing errors and no variants. My mind could be changed, but there were a million(or more, I forget)of these books and you’ve found 9. That’s rare by most definitions. |
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| @BigRonnie I checked my copy and just normal green for me. I have a poly bagged standard edition, but I think you said it doesn’t happen in those. Good luck on finding more. |
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| @Jabberwookie I am only attempting to raise awareness of the Copper Lizard. If the Blue Lizard was recognized (and there are about 1/2 as many Coppers as Blue) as a Variant, why wouldn't this be considering it is the same exact book/error/issue? I appreciate that I have strong opinions, but they are based in fact and reason, not whims and hypocrisies. I am consistent, and that is all I am asking CBCS to be. The book is selling for real money raw, and has been for over 2 years now. If the Blue lizard is recognized, the Copper deserves to be as well. I was a part of the discussion that brought the Blue Lizard to light, and lots of people care about this book. Trust me, I run an SM#1 page on FB with 300 serious members. When things don't make sense, expect people to ask why. I've been asked, so I am now asking again. This does not make sense. CBCS needs to be consistent. I'd be fine if they downgraded the Blue Lizard to a Manufacturing error just for consistency. They are the same book with the same affected pages/plates/panels. Label them the same. It's the same book. |
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| @Jabberwookie The Lizard errors are only in the unbagged Silver cover (with a price). The bagged Silver cover (without a price on the book) did not have the Lizard errors. Thanks. Going to be hard finding more, many people are searching for these now. I have 2 and I just want to get them graded. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BigRonnie And when you say it like this, I think you’re making a stronger case. I do hope things get worked out on that. I’m not sure I’d say it’s a variant, but the market is always in flux and you never know what changes are coming. Thanks for that info. I’ve got a gold and the standard bagged one. I had low expectations I’d find one, but I got lucky in having a newsstand Star Wars 68 so I never know what I might find. I’ll definitely keep an eye out when I can. Good luck! |
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| I finally got around to checking my copies. While I didn’t find any with the error as extreme as the original one shown in the first post I did notice some variations of color across them. I’m a big fan of this issue and have multiples of all the variants except the “Blue Lizard” error, and I guess now the “Copper Lizard” error. I’ve stayed away from Blue Lizard because I could never justify the price for what I consider an error rather than a variant. I’d love for the label to switch from calling it a variant to simply a manufacturer error, maybe then it will bring those prices down to earth. For kicks here are the variations of color I found in 3 of the 6 silver issues I have.  |
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| @bythegram I actually have a one off gold Cover with that Lizard coloration as well. I don't think it's common enough to be anything in the future. I never mentioned it, but it's in my set. NFS | ||
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