Video: 5 Ways CBCS is BETTER Than CGC14594
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| CGC recent notes to me are somewhat worthless. **Unless you are selling the book.** On my two hulk 181 books the notes suggest a press could increase the books grade. However, they just pressed it. Edit. Unless they are saying they are incompetent, the notes seem disingenuous. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Bronte how do you even see the notes? I'm a free member so maybe I can't see them? I had 2 Steranko signed books from a mail in event last year and even though I paid for pressing it sure looks like they could use a second press! |
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In your submission page, do you see the red? If you click the red numbers it yields the book and notes |
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| @Bronte nah...nothing shows....must be because I only have the free membership ...i think there are other flaws keeping them from grading higher but once CBCS has magazine and they run a discount to change out of CGC then they are going in!! | ||
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| There may be no notes available. I know my 9.2 Spider-man 194 yielded nothing. I was so surprised I emailed and they confirmed that there were no notes.... | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Bronte insane!! I can see no notes on 9.8 but just about everything else should have a note or two at minimum!! I have 2 Might World of Marvel 129's signed by Steranko one at 7.5 and one at 7...the 7 was no way pressed (thing is there are some corner creases that I think keep it at 7.0) - should get my $20 back! |
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| If you did the signing, there might not be notes as they had a lot of books to grade and push out. (My speculation, no facts to base that assumption) | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomics This is so blatantly misinformed and incorrect I just had to reply. CGC are notwhere they are because of customer loyalty. THey're about positioning themselves as the best, and regardless of your opinion, fact is 95% of the industry agrees with that statement. They look AND perform like an authority. CGC appears more professional and as a leader, while CBCS does not. It's not an arguable fact, except by opinion. Both companies make mistakes on grading. I had CBCS ruin one book, and completely botch the grading on another twice. It happens. Human beings make mistakes. CGC has sent me back the wrong labels twice. They've also fixed it twice, for free. I just got back 24 moderns from CGC...no newton's rings. I'll post pics if you want. They do suck when they happen though, and I do have CGC books with them. Apparently, you can fix it with two little suction cups, but I've never tried myself so I dunno if that's true. I would think that as soon as you let go they'd come back, but I dunno personally. CGCs errors seem greater due to the sheer volume of books they grade, which is supposedly a MASSIVE amount more than CBCS. Like, apparently it's not even close. I heard a rumour that CGC was getting 5000 to 15000 books EVERY DAY. Does CBCS do that in a month? I honestly have no idea. CGCs error rate is supposedly less than 0.01%. From being in marketing, I also know that people will whine before they praise, and those whining voices are always the loudest. That video you're talking about is likely Jason Parkers, and he's trying to drive views and connect with an audience. Anyone who actually does volume with CGC sees fairly consistent results. CGC also fixed his issues fast and free, from what I heard. Again, both companies make mistakes. Every company does. Your remark about new collectors and "a grade is a grade" shows you have little or no experience with customer behaviours. When people get into things, they tend to go the most popular route, especially if they're getting into it with friends. How many kids bought Tony Hawk skateboards because it was the thing to have? Brand perception is an incredibly powerful force, particularly for newer participants. CBCS has a relatively poor image compared to CGC, and that's clearly a factor for new people getting into this stuff. I mean how many people refer to getting a book "CGC'd" instead of graded? Its a super common term. When I first got back into it, I was full-on CBCS. Did 3 or 4 submissions, had 3 big errors, and bounced to CGC. Now each experience I've had with them has been great. I think both companies have positive and negative aspects, and both need some work. I've had good and bad experiences with both, as I said. That said, CBCS has a hell of a lot of changes to make before they're even considered competition for CGC IMO. Everything from branding to CS (heard lots of horror stories about that) needs to be addressed. Until then, I think they'll be seen as a second-rate option to CGC, except by their diehard fans (like on this forum). I hope they don't go anywhere though. It's already pretty much a monopoly, and thats never good for consumers. Let the rage responses commence  |
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| @mediaslave CBCS allows you to regularly come on their Forum and criticize them while promting the competition. Does CGC allow that? Maybe make that number 6 on the list. | ||
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| I know where I stand and that's all I care about. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafiaif cbcs blocks people that criticized them on their forum, that would be a bigger strike against them than a positive. It's one thing to criticize a company, it's another thing to disparage them and rage against them. It's very clear that my comments are measured and with reason, not just some idiot raging against a company for no good reason. I also criticized cgc on their forum, just so you're aware:-) |
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| @mediaslave Do you have any specific issue with CBCS other than the appearance of the labels? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Comicninja0215and that is literally the most perfect answer you could give. If somebody prefers one over the other just because it's their own preference, that's an inarguable position. They like what they like and that's that. I like really stupid horror movies. I can't justify it because there were usually terrible movies but I watch them anyways. Not that I'm saying cbcs is a terrible horror movie, that's not my meaning. I'm just saying people like what they like and don't have to justify anything. |
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| Gawd, I so want to say something right now but unfortunately what I want to say will likely get me a vacation for a week. | ||
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@mediaslave I can agree here 100% I haven't had a bad experience with cbcs yet doesn't mean that I won't but I feel like they're suited for my collecting wants and needs. I want cgc to succeed but I'm sorry I can't do any more business with them and that's my choice. |
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| @GAC we need you man lol font do it | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Comicninja0215 lol! Thanks brother! that's very cool....all I will say is, I wish I'd read non-predicatable posts from a forum member that clearly has so much more to offer. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomics I believe they don't note any flaw(s) that can be seen easily through the slab. So if that 9.4 has a few obvious spine tics it probably wouldn't have any grading notes. |
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 If I could, I would. I swear.
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC It's just words. Letters on a page. They carry as much weight as one gives them. The sucker you're licking is always better than someone else's. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Do it. Life's short. |
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| @mediaslave I'll agree with 90% of what you said. CGC has more subs so more errors but a small and vocal % For me personally I've had no issues with CBCS...CGC most of my books have had newton rings and my last two books either weren't pressed or reverted (one looks pretty scary actually) Brand perception is a thing 100%...I have a feeling though that new comers who are partially driving these crazy prices don't know A from B...kind of like people getting CGC graded Pokemon cards...they see a grade and they believe it - someone is still buying PGX! it may be small but I think that group of buyers is growing, although I have no proof. Again..for me personally...Steve being the original head grader at CGC goes a long way to me feeling that grade wise the companies are on equal footing As far as people saying "CGC'd" I liken that to making a "Xerox" when using a Cannon photo copier - like you say brand recognition is powerful..but it doesn't make one better than another and most would agree that one photo copy is as good as the next Because I'm cheap and don't usually submit many books I like the no membership required, the Canadian shipping, the not breaking my order into smaller groups resulting in higher return shipping, and of course CBCS attending smaller conventions so I can hand off in person. Full disclosure..I don't sell many books so I don't see the lower returns, what I have sold I got the going FMV or above in some cases with my CBCS books and as far as for my PC...again since I view the quality of the grading to be equal I'm fine with using CBCS I'm probably skewed...my CGC experiences while not horrible were bad enough for me to try CBCS and since trying CBCS have had no issues...and CGC slamming videos while likely a super small % of the books they handle don't encourage me to go back. Like the car thing..my family had issues with domestic cars in 70's, 80's, and early 90's....moved to Japanese and German (VW) and the damned things are bullet proof...they too started as 2nd or 3rd best in the publics view...pretty sure VW was the largest car producer in the world last year and top 3 were non US |
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Quote:Originally Posted by mediaslave I'm a few drinks into the evening so let me just say  first....you're definitely capable of better. I'd like to read a post from you that isn't negative to CBCS. I mean a genuine, positive post..assuming you're actually sincere about it. If you're not, then choose weird places to post. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson You sir, are 100% correct!! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Lol you feeling unloved? If you read my posts, and I mean actually read them, everything I say is fair and reasonable. What do I like about them? Nice that they hit smaller shows. I hadn't seen the new cases so I can't comment but apparently they're nice. Oh and the notes. But that's it really. They don't really excel anywhere else. Grading seems even, TAT for each are fair considering volume... They're just another option. But measuring impartially, cgc has them beat everywhere else. You can get mad and rage at that, or you can realize that I looked at both of them impartially measured them out in this is a conclusion I came to. There's no emotional attachment or Dr. There's nothing rational about what I said. It's all very reasonable and I'm not in the least bit attacking CBC us. It's just a legitimate evaluation, in my opinion of course.:-) |
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| I always love the underdog and I really like the new CBCS slabs so I have been sending all my latest submissions to CBCS That Being said I cannot dispute any of @mediaslave comments. I think his comments are all very reasonable and non-vindictive. And based on simple common sense facts. |
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| Whoa whoa people....so we agree that grading is about equal, cases too (I've been hit always with newton but I have bought some without and they look just fine!) Other than customer service and stable of quality creators who will only use your SS service not sure there is much else CBCS can do....market perception is still in favour of CGC and likely will be for some time. Don't think there is any counter to that! I do however think higher grade or rare books it makes less of a difference....again because product vs product is basically even. At the time I sold my Brave and the Bold 54 CBCS 7.0 for $465 the FMV was $475, I call that equal and with less than 1,500 graded between the two companies and only 105 in 7.0 whoever was looking for 7.0 likely didn't care if it was CBCS or CGC CBCS is doing the right things though..smaller conventions get people like me to submit in person, changing to Yellow from Red for Verified signature was a plus....many don't like the label...I'm ok with it but would 95% expect an updated label to more closely align with customer expectations (although really would be silly to straight up copy CGC) if/when CBCS gets magazine that will again be a positive move. Steve has in the past mentioned CBCS current staffing and CGC staffing levels when he left and CBCS seems to be on a similar or faster growth than CGC was originally. One could say CGC was fighting to create the market but I counter that CBCS is fighting the incumbent...maybe a more daunting task! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomics You do have to be a paying member at CGC to see the notes on books you submit. That starts at $25 per year at the associate level. For books others submitted, you have to buy the notes. Supposedly the notes at CGC are meant primarily as grader-to-grader, not really an "appraisal" approach. And not all things are noted - like if it has a very visible subscription crease, probably not noted. It's obvious, you can't miss it. So maybe to point out a light stain so that the follow-up grader doesn't miss it and wonder why the first grade is so low. Or areas of light bends or fine spine ticks. I have had 9.6 books with notes, and 9.0 with no notes. It's a spin of the wheel. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomics I'll counter on a few points but great post imo. I think there's a lot cbcs can do. I actually see them as being in an enviable position. With the right moves they could make a massive jump in market share... But I dont have faith that they know what those moves are, or have the people to do them. That's a shame. It's funny you bring up the yellow label due verified because I ordinal think it was a horrible move and weakened their brand considerably. Sure it appealed to their base and maybe boosted sales, but I showed it to a group in in fit marketing and all agreed that it was a pretty transparent move, and looked suspiciously like cost cutting too... But last time this got discussed the thread got locked. |
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This is awesome and improves the value of my cbcs books! One piece of feedback though is to get a better mic  |
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