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Collector Jabberwookie private msg quote post Address this user
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I have some experience with stocks, bonds and dividends, but where those differ from collectibles is the cost basis is recorded somewhere.

Basically, there is a record of what you bought and sold it for.

There doesn’t seem to be anything like that for collectibles, so you’ll be paying on all of what you made.


You won't need receipts if you don't get audited. If your claims are reasonable you likely won't get audited.


Fair enough, but who is making the designation of what’s reasonable?

I suspect there will be some growing pains and an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

This was less about scaring people and more about noting the differences in stocks vs collectibles.
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The apple sauce and pudding were the best part... Bronte private msg quote post Address this user
Still have not recieved a response from mcs on their position on 1099 forms....
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@Noblebeast315 are you a motivational speaker?


Every single day.
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Collector Bige private msg quote post Address this user
I am a tax professional and you can write off some of your slabbing and the cost of all the expenses against that 1099. Computer expenses, cameras, some of your phone bill whatever you use to make money, Including going to your LCS, shipping fees everything. Remember the ebay fees and the cost of the comics. Not sure if this is your collection from years ago, also write off losses. You can use all of that to reduce your gains.
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Masculinity takes a holiday. EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user
Here's why Black Markets become popular in societies burdened with fees and taxes:

Scenario 1) Let's say I Buy @Martymann's Golden Age childhood collection for $50,000 on Ebay, I Pay $55,000 with sales tax, @Martymann keeps $45,000 after fees and $27,000 after Capital Gains taxes.
Scenario 2) I meet @Martymann at a con, we agree on $41,000 cash and we each part with an extra $14,000 in our pockets to spread around in other places.

In my opinion this will be the greatest gift ever to promoters of collectibles conventions. Ebay on the other hand is going to have a tough time adjusting to it.
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If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8. xkonk private msg quote post Address this user
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Claim you’re non-profit like the NFL?


My collecting habit is certainly non-profit!
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Collector Jabberwookie private msg quote post Address this user
@xkonk

If I were better with Gifs, you’d have a rim shot right now... ha ha
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Collector Bige private msg quote post Address this user
Guys don't forget your storage for all those years. These are not stocks and bonds. New bags and boards, boxes and of course a place to store them.
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Collector* Towmater private msg quote post Address this user
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Fair enough, but who is making the designation of what’s reasonable?


If you get audited, then it would be the IRS.

@Scifinator Thanks for the votes. You got me to 7600 on the nose.
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Have I told you about the time I dropped off 3,000 comics at SDCC? Scifinator private msg quote post Address this user
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Guys don't forget your storage for all those years. These are not stocks and bonds. New bags and boards, boxes and of course a place to store them.
@Bige - and therein is where you have to have the right accountant. Many if not most won’t even go there. I know this as i helped a client liquidate his $2 million let’s say collectibles collection few years ago. In prep, Helped him shop/interview various CPA’s in finding one who would apply appropriate cost and carry factors and be willing to battle the IRS if challenged.
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Collector Bige private msg quote post Address this user
If an accountant won't go there they are not real accountant they are bookkeepers. These are not fraud they are deductions that are legit and 2 million dollar collection I'm sure needed a lot of care and room to house that collection. Those are legitimate write offs. I have been collecting for 35 years on and off and just started slabing and selling my collection as well as still collect. I opened a LLC so that I can legitimize my business and take additional write-offs.
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Have I told you about the time I dropped off 3,000 comics at SDCC? Scifinator private msg quote post Address this user
@Bige - Totally agree with you. I was telling that client to fire his accountant for years before he finally woke up.
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@Bige - Totally agree with you. I was telling that client to fire his accountant for years before he finally woke up.


One thing you have to keep in mind with CPA's, if one client goes down, all of their clients are at risk of being audited. It's a real fine line on just how aggressive you want a CPA to be. You definitely want to avoid CPA's who have clients that are powerful enough or intimidating enough to be able to put pressure on them. If your CPA is also CPA to Don Corleon, the IRS probably has both of you in their sights.
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Have I told you about the time I dropped off 3,000 comics at SDCC? Scifinator private msg quote post Address this user
@EbayMafia - Wasn't an issue here. This clients CPA was just of mind set never have to justify to the IRS.
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I'm good with splotches. Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user
This is a very very interesting thread.
I've thought about it for months since this word got out about the $600 instead of $20k/200 sales.

Although I've heard dozens and dozens of times the "...... yea but they should have already been reporting that income" I'm quite sure many/most don't report the income.

This may change the whole dynamic of selling on ebay for millions of people; or maybe they report accordingly now. I dunno.
I'm very interested to see how the millions adjust to it.
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Have I told you about the time I dropped off 3,000 comics at SDCC? Scifinator private msg quote post Address this user
@Nuffsaid111 - Agreed on all points. While some avoid saying this, it is a defacto tax increase on persons of all income tax brackets without being a "tax increase" since all were supposed to be reporting it anyway.
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I'm good with splotches. Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user
@Scifinator Yep. Suffice to say don't buy Ebay stock during 2020

But if you can buy stock of a local flea market - go for it!!
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I have to say thanks for this thread. I don't sell much as far as comics but I do sell a lot of collectables that my dad had for my mom. Primarily Zippo lighters. I do a few hundred $ in sales every month. This is going to hit me pretty hard.
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Have I told you about the time I dropped off 3,000 comics at SDCC? Scifinator private msg quote post Address this user
@Puckster - If your parents are still alive, disregard the following. If your parents are deceased, not to worry...At least NOT YET. There is what's known as date of death step up in basis. Essentially, the collectibles get a bump up in basis (cost wise for taxes) to ones date of death. As such if I bought my Alpha Flight #1 in 1983 for 0.75 and I die in 2033 the year after that Alpha Flight starred in their own title Movie which wins massive accolades and rockets the comic to $50,000 when my sons sell it, the basis for tax purposes will be 50,000 thus no income. Again this assumes I die and my sons sell it. If the hold it for another year and sell it for $75,000, the taxable gain is now $25,000. If your parents are still alive then all

Reiterating my earlier comment about not blowing up this thread, please save your political comments for some other forum, the following is educational

Now about that "NOT YET". Bernie Sanders basically introduced legislation that then candidate Biden pretty much agreed to during his campaign that would eliminate Step Up in Basis, along with killing or severely limiting estate tax deductions and annual gifting. For those who think that they may have life insurance to help pay for the death taxes, guess what if this legislation is passed, the life proceeds will also be taxed, thus substantially increasing the tax burden and liquidity needs to pay said taxes. There is a very good chance that a substantial portion of the proposal will become law, the elimination of step up in basis is a real possibility.
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