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Collector mediaslave private msg quote post Address this user
Anyone insisting that cbcs sells for the same is simply trying to delude others and boost their own investments. @xkonk your past just proves it. There are thousands upon thousands of examples that show exactly the same thing on all sides sites so I'm not sure how anyone can even attempt to dispute it. :/

It does seem though that on some hot books, the gap lessens.

Nice job on the homework though!
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If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8. xkonk private msg quote post Address this user
@mediaslave my past or my post? Either way I'm not sure that 9 books in one auction 'proves' a lot. But it's better than yelling past each other.
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Collector mediaslave private msg quote post Address this user
Your post sorry. Speech to text is such crap now.

Those examples help, but really theres literally THOUSANDS of sales proving that CBCS sells for less. I find that a lot of CBCS fans will fight that and claim that they sell at par, but its funny that those are personal sales and don't really have any proof.

I can't blame them though, its a perfectly expected and understandable position to take. ITs not the reality though in most cases.


I guess it's like people claiming that coke and Pepsi are the same, and sell at similar numbers. They do not, despite Pepsi's best efforts. Climbing out of a hole like that is hard AF, and takes a serious shift in brand preception.
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If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8. xkonk private msg quote post Address this user
Has anyone actually collected a fair number of comparable sales, or is it all little anecdata like what I wrote down?
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Collector mediaslave private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by xkonk
Has anyone actually collected a fair number of comparable sales, or is it all little anecdata like what I wrote down?


The only thing I've seen that was even close was somebody did the math and totalled up the number of cgc books vs cbcs on eBay. They came up with just over 5% being cbcs books, which I found extremely surprising. Obviously I have no idea if that's true, nor do I know the timeline to attribute it to although I want to say it was around 2019.
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Collector Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user
I would offer that anyone can sit and state emphatically over and over that one sells for more than the other and there are "thousands" of examples, while providing precisely zero data to support any of those comments. Noone is deluding anything, simple fact is one day the CGC book that sells might be up against no other sales for that book while the following day a CBCS might end with four other copies of the same book that day. Again as Iron man made perfectly clear, unless you can demonstrate over and over, cases of the SAME book, same paper quality, same venue, same ending time so that the playing field is even and all possible factors in the comparison are level, you cannot make that claim.
Iron man clearly made this case. Konk and his sales data simply reinforces the fact....you have to constantly compare for each sale, exact same books, with the exact same factors to make that comparison. I dont know of any of the reporting services that offer that clear cut of comparisons, and I doubt seriously anyone is sitting there doing it either, or they would be selling that data.
The closest comparison is the 24 venues that GPA covers, and they do NOT report CBC books. Gocollect, is hideoulsy behind reporting any sales of import, and that is known rather well.
Again it isnt just the venue, the book, the page quality, but also what other books were selling against it at any given moment, in any given auction or via any given platform.
That is how logic and science work, comparing factual data to comparable data, rather than apples to oranges.
Anyone can sit and say everyone knows, and anyone that doesnt is deluded or has alterior motives, but where is the supporting data, facts, and sales documentation?
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If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8. xkonk private msg quote post Address this user
Yeah, I've seen those numbers. They have nothing to do with price, and everyone knows that CGC has the bulk of the market share.
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If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8. xkonk private msg quote post Address this user
The next round of the ComicLink auction started closing so I was poking around a bit. I think the results for Spidey 361 help to show how much data you really need to 'answer' a question about price.

The first 9.8 closed at $1305.
18 seconds later a newsstand 9.8 closed at $1700.
18 seconds after that, one signed by Bagley closed at $1100.
18 seconds after that, a second print closed at $566.
18 seconds after that, the CBCS 9.8 (first print, direct, no sigs) closed at $1107.

How do you hash that out? Is anyone really doing a good job of tracking all these distinctions in large enough numbers to draw reasonable conclusions? I don't even really like using these ComicLink numbers specifically, because they always list CBCS last and there are pretty well-known order effects in all sorts of things, but it's more apples to apples than some other things.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say people are pulling small numbers and reading what they want into them, if they're pulling numbers at all.
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