What are your feelings about buying CBCS Raw Grade books14489
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| I am all for CBCS Raw Grades. Would and do feel more comfortable buying those as opposed to straight raws. | ||
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 I hear their hourly rate is outrageous!
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| I've bought them and feel I got my money's worth. As I am terrible at grading I feel confident buying them. Of course they need to arrive to me in the same condition as in the pics. | ||
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| I think most missed your value range of $50-$200; obviously it would be silly to buy ASM 300 raw grade vs slabbed. To answer your question; I would consider buying raw grade if I want to read the book. Yes we can read reprints and digital. I like to read the actual books. I’d be happy buying $50-$200 precode horror to be able to read them, then slab later if I choose and have assurance of grade (considering possible + - on grade). I do not have any precode horror books nor have I read any (yet). They have cool art and the leads ins on the cover fascinate me, but I do not want to just look at the cover. I want to experience the stories. I’d rather buy a nice raw grade although I’d be happy with a readable rag. |
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 Please continue to ignore anything I post.
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Quote:Originally Posted by HulkSmash I agree with that. I would have to consider the cost. The raw grade would have to be cheaper then the slabbed copy when you factor sending a raw book by post, grading it and having it slabbed then sent back. Other wise I'd buy just a raw book off a trusted seller.  |
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| I do not understand raw grade books. As soon as the book leaves CBCS, it's a gamble as to whether it's still that grade. there's no protection, so even somebody picking it up could damage it and render that "grade" useless. Seems to be the most pointless thing I've seen in comic grading so far, no? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by mediaslave I believe it’s meant to be a low cost option for low value books and a low cost option if a book does not pass grade screen. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by HulkSmash @HulkSmash there's history here. @mediaslave has deep Antipathy towards CBCS and everything he posts is negative, cynical and not worthy of response. @mediaslave is the greatest most awesomest most brilliantest graphic designer in all of Canada and he presented his label designs to CBCS, which they chose not to use. He's really butt-hurt about it because it was to blantantly obvious to him that his designs and color choices were so superior. Ever since then his postings have been a totally predictable barrage of negativity and cynicism towards CBCS. |
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 Ima gonna steal this and look for some occasion to use it!
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| Raw grade is useful in some situations. The situation I don't find raw grade useful is slabbing modern books. There isn't enough price difference between raw grade and a full slab. But where it is useful - in my opinion ranked 1) Treasury size books: No one slabs Treasury size books. No one is ever likely to - it would be a huge expense for a small market. And a huge slab as well. This is the ONLY option for a professional grade on Treasury size books and a bargain as well. 2) Magazine size: If you want CBCS, this is the only option to get a professional grade on a magazine. 3) Only for your personal collection and no intention to sell: Raw grade books take up a lot less space than a slabbed books. It is less expensive than a full grading/encapsulation. From a little to a moderate amount less. 4) As others have mentioned, inexpensive books - even for resale - where the value of the book doesn't make the full price of grading worthwhile. |
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| They are a good way to purchase different keys at certain grades. They have been graded so it is a good way to get a graded book at a better price than a slabbed one. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by mediaslave Definitely some good points. I’d be cautious buying one off EBay, but less so off an established board member. But, as others stated, it does give some idea of an objective third party grade for lower value books. To your point, someone could pick dingleberries with it after grading, but you’d at least have some kind of range. That Strawberry Shortcake 1 might not be a 5.0, but at least you’d know a 5 is the best you’re getting. There might be some value in that. |
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 "Forum Overlord" bah ha ha ha...
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| I’d buy it if I’ve seen you on here posting a lot of stuff and that people on here vouch for you. I’d be more incline to buy from a guy that has 83619462 posts than a guy that has 1 post even if the new guys price is a lil lower. With people that live here on the forum, I don’t think they are risking the chance of getting kick out of the forum for being an ahole seller. | ||
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 I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie.
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| I definitely would not buy this as it was graded before CBCS started doing restoration check for their raw grading service and I can't understand why someone would use the service for this type of book unless the comic was restored: clickable text I would still consider purchasing a raw grade if there was low supply of the comic and the price was right. |
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 To answer your question, no, this is not where the comics go to die.
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MutantMania private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Well I wouldn't expect to get slabbed prices for them but still higher than a regular raw comic. They are still graded with the same rules as the slabbed books after all. Even better now that they check for restoration. I have used it and have sold the books before with no problem. Always for a higher price than raw books of the same title / issue. |
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 If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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| Given the strong "buy the book, not the grade" contingent on the forum, I'm a little surprised at all the dismissals. I can go play frisbee with my slabs too, and then what is the grade worth? A raw grade book is at least as well-protected as any other raw but now you have a professional's estimate of what the grade is/was. Seems like that's worth 10 or 15 bucks. | ||
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia lol!!!!!!!!!! |
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| I'd buy a raw graded book. I'd also send my books to CBCS for raw grading. With the caveat that they'd really only be for my PC, I like having mylar'd books for display in my office. If you had a book that I absolutely loved or wanted for my collection in a raw grade, and I could get good enough pictures to see it was still that grade (or at least in a close range) then I'd be in. I also would buy them if it was a book that I did want slabbed, but wanted a good idea of what the slab grade may come back as. Not sure what I'd pay for one. Prices are so all over the place depending on where you're buying them. Places like IG can be ridiculous, just like Ebay. Whereas buying on various auction sites, the CGC boards (and I assume here) is an exercise in finding the good, but fair, deals and going with it. But at least the good deals are there. I'd probably pay 10-15% over a regular, not stupid inflated, comparable raw or 10-15% less than a comparable slabbed book (in that area at least, obviously variances can occur). |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia Wrong on all counts muffin, but good try. Keep trying, and eventually you'll post something smart. BTW, I'm critical of both companies.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by MutantMania Well yes, in theory, but ONLY if that book doesn't see any damage at all post grading. For example, let's say it gets a 9.0 or something. Great! But then somebody drops their phone on the cover, puts a small dent in it, or something. That 9.0 is still there. An unscrupulous person could then keep pushing it as a 9.0, despite that damage afterwards, ya know? Even worse for CBCS IMO, that 9.0 is there on a book that's now damaged, but the seller would never have to admit to the damage being post-grade. So the seller could be pushing a book with a grade that it no longer deserves, but it looks like CBCS graded it higher. Unfair to CBCS's graders and the buyer. At least with a regular slab its difficult to damage the book inside. This is why I don't understand them. In theory, they seem great, but at that point why wouldn't you just get them fully graded so that actual grade is guaranteed? Just seems like a strange way of doing things. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by xvipah So legit question. The new CBCS cases are apparently quite nice, and they've always been super clear. I love how books look in mylar too, but if you were going to buy a graded book why go raw instead of full? The CBCS case is apparently as nice as you can get (I haven't seen one myself) so why would you choose raw over slabbed? Not meant as an attack or anything (people on forums are antsy sometimes), just genuinely curious why you'd choose one over the other.  |
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| I've bought raw grades before.. I don't mind them if the price is right.. show me what you got!!! | ||
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| @mediaslave Sometimes you run into someone selling a raw key book and you can't agree on the grade. They say it's "MINT" and want that $$$, I say it's an 8.5. In that situation I would suggest I pay to send it to CBCS for a raw grade (if it were quicker!). Sort of like taking a used car to a mechanic to have it checked out first. | ||
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To answer your question, no, this is not where the comics go to die.
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MutantMania private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Here are some I sent in recently...I haven't ever slabbed a silver age book yet. It would have to be big money for me to spend the $$$ to press / clean / slab. The raw grade is a fast fairly inexpensive way to get them graded.      |
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EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by mediaslave It's purely a way of minimizing 3rd party fees while getting a professional 3rd party grade. The price difference for moderns is not much, but for Pre-1975 it's almost half. The size also allows it to ship in a padded envelope. It's really for the Pre-1975 books that are in the gray area of not quite being worth slabbing but still needing a 3rd party grade to be liquid. For me that area is usually $60-$120 FMV range. |
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 We should have the forum rate our packages.
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| Has anyone mentioned the CBCS emblazoned stickers that close the mylar they come in when graded raw? I could have missed a post but they are hologram stickers that if ever opened break the printing. You would know if said raw graded book was opened. | ||
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| Tamper evident stickers. | ||
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We should have the forum rate our packages.
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HeinzDad private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by GACyah, the first time I messed with one I was impressed. It thru my tamper questions out of window as far as that aspect is concerned. |
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To answer your question, no, this is not where the comics go to die.
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MutantMania private msg quote post Address this user | |
These stickers  |
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EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I'm gonna post this example again of what can happen when you focus on minimizing 3rd party fees in our industry. Notice that the fully fee-loaded example is literally 50% more than the non-fee example, and they both net the same amount to the seller: A slabbed 6.0 on Ebay Priced at $95 with Flat Rate shipping of $15 and potential sales tax of $9. Total cost to the buyer of $110-$119. Net to seller after selling and grading fees: $60 A CBCS Raw Grade 6.0 on the Forum at $80-$85, Free shipping in padded envelope with cardboard. Total cost to the buyer of $80-$85. Net to seller after grading and shipping fees: $60-$65 |
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mediaslave private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia Interesting. I've never seen a raw graded book for sale so I have zero experience with them, but do you find the raw grade adds value on sales vs straight raw? Especially after the grading fee? Is it actually worth it? I think I'd still basically ignore the raw grade aspect just because damage can occur afterward. Its a nice thing to see I think, but I'd put more trust into the book itself rather than the grade, which I guess is the opposite of a full graded book (if thats the term, I dunno.) |
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