What are your feelings about buying CBCS Raw Grade books14489
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EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I was kind of an early adapter to CBCS Raw Grade, particularly for Pre-Modern books valued $50-$200. At one time I owned well over half of the Raw Grade listings on Ebay. Then I went to MCS and stopped selling on Ebay. Since MCS doesn't sell Raw Grade, I stopped using it. The new 2022 IRS reporting requirements lead me to think that I may be making more efforts to sell through this Forum starting in 2022, and Raw Grade is starting to look like a great option again since I don't ever sell ungraded comic books remotely. I'm curious what the feelings are of my fellow Forum members about buying Raw Grade? Assuming that the books would be $50-$200, pricing would be about 10% less than slabbed books on Ebay or MCS and there would be no sales tax issue, who is open to buying Raw Grade books...who is hesitant? | ||
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| I would be hesitant to buy them. Prefer books slabbed on the pricier books and books raw a agreed upon grade by myself and the seller. |
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| I'm not looking to sell the idea, but here's an example of the potential price difference for consideration: A slabbed 6.0 on Ebay Priced at $95 with Flat Rate shipping of $15 and potential sales tax of $9. Total cost to the buyer of $110-$119. A CBCS Raw Grade 6.0 on the Forum at $80-$85, Free shipping in padded envelope with cardboard. Total cost to the buyer of $80-$85. Would that be enough total cost difference to justify buying the Raw Grade book? |
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| @EbayMafia it would have to be a book I'm really chasing. And it depends on the price of the book and what the book value is on say go collect. I view go collect differently to some people where the price is for a certified grade. Not a raw grade or a raw grade by a certification company. And if the price of a certified raw book is less by grading costs and shipping for a slabbed copy, I'd prefer the slabbed copy. Also my raw books are in mylar snugs with no fold over flaps and I keep all raw books in them. Expensive books and the cheaper reading copy romance books. That's just my view so I'm generally not the target collector for the raw grade certification product while others probably are. |
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| Also when they were first put out by cbcs they didn't do restoration checks. If that is still the case I'd open it up to check for myself to see if there is no restoration. I personally don't need to buy books already graded as I know how to grade. I do by slabs that are from pedigrees and books that are already slabbed where I'm happy to buy books raw. The slabbing I do is more a benefit for my wife that anything happens and she wants to sell them for some reason it's easier sell them thru auction houses already in slabs for a higher return. |
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| I would buy a Raw Graded book if it was something on my want list and the price was fair. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia As long as you understand that the grade is what it was when it was graded. Depending on how the book subsequently has been handled that grade could be lower by the time you get it |
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theCapraAegagrus private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I would only ever buy a "raw grade" book at raw grade prices. 2 cents. | ||
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| Possibly buy raw grade books with the intention that I'd slab it (I wouldn't buy the book and not slab). So, for me, I'd take the cost of buying the raw grade book add all the costs to getting it slabbed and compare that to buying an already slabbed book of same grade. Factor in a cost for my time to slab/prep/mail in the raw grade book. If there is no significant savings, I'll just buy the already slabbed book. It has to be worth it financially and time-wise. So, to answer your question if I'd buy raw grade; it depends. |
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 I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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| I would avoid them. Without a hard plastic case to protect the books from harm you have no way to know that the book is still the same grade as the label. Pictures are problematic as the book could take damage after the seller puts up pictures of it on ebay. |
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| I'd be open to buying them. But I wouldn't go all in on a big book right away. I'd compare the CBCS raw grade to the photos and if it matches and the price is right, I'm good. | ||
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Briten private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I would treat a CBCS Raw grade like any other raw book I buy. If I can't inspect it in person and make my own grade determination, no sale. | ||
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Murm private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Question does the raw grade transfer over to slabbing? Meaning I decide to have a 7.0 raw grade book slabbed it will still be a 7.0? The grade won’t go down..or up? | ||
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poka private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Murmonster The raw grade rating will be disregarded and the comic will be "re-graded" if you decide to slab it later on |
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| @poka Thanks so you could be better or worse off if you do it. | ||
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka Absolutely, the grade would have to be re-evaluated. |
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ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I would definitely buy if it was a book I wanted. | ||
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Murm private msg quote post Address this user | |
| To answer @EbayMafia’s original question yes I would buy a raw grade book if the price was right. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by southerncross As of May 2020 Raw Grade now includes restoration/conservation checks but don’t list the specific alterations. The label will list the book as “altered” |
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Joosh private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I would consider the raw grade as a well graded book, with seller’s guarantee it has not been damaged or opened post-grading; much like trusting a known dealer for their appointed grades. I think the bigger question is how the online sales are going to change; more forum sales could perhaps convince CBCS to split out a sales forum. |
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teacha777 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| For just 10% less then a slabbed book definitely not 10% more then a raw comic graded by the seller sure. Is it still possible to open raw grades like non grade? |
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DWeeB1967 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I'd buy a CBCS raw graded book if it was a book that I needed and it was priced reasonably. I would not pay the same price that I would for a slabbed copy in the same grade, though. | ||
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 If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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| I've started sending some books to be raw graded, so I would certainly buy a raw grade if it's the type of book I would send for that myself. I thought there was a dollar value cap on raw grade, but I missed it when I looked at the page on the website. Does anyone remember that off the top of their head? Like you can't use raw grade if a book is worth more than X. |
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| I only purchase raw books with the intent to get them slabbed for someone else to purchase from me. I don't purchase slabbed books because of the differential in prices vs. the raw counterpart. With that in mind, if CBCS raw book grade prices were comparable to a truly raw book, then I would absolutely purchase. |
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 Pictures? We don't need no stinking pictures.
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brysb private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I bought 2 Treasury sized books that were raw graded and was very pleased. I would have no problems buying raw graded comics from a reputable dealer. Of course you have to worry about shady sellers who may post pics of the raw graded comics prior to it getting damaged/spine ticks/dinged corner, etc. So I would ask the seller if the pics are current before bidding. | ||
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| I am all for CBCS Raw Grades. Would and do feel more comfortable buying those as opposed to straight raws. | ||
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| I've bought them and feel I got my money's worth. As I am terrible at grading I feel confident buying them. Of course they need to arrive to me in the same condition as in the pics. | ||
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| I think most missed your value range of $50-$200; obviously it would be silly to buy ASM 300 raw grade vs slabbed. To answer your question; I would consider buying raw grade if I want to read the book. Yes we can read reprints and digital. I like to read the actual books. I’d be happy buying $50-$200 precode horror to be able to read them, then slab later if I choose and have assurance of grade (considering possible + - on grade). I do not have any precode horror books nor have I read any (yet). They have cool art and the leads ins on the cover fascinate me, but I do not want to just look at the cover. I want to experience the stories. I’d rather buy a nice raw grade although I’d be happy with a readable rag. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by HulkSmash I agree with that. I would have to consider the cost. The raw grade would have to be cheaper then the slabbed copy when you factor sending a raw book by post, grading it and having it slabbed then sent back. Other wise I'd buy just a raw book off a trusted seller.  |
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| I do not understand raw grade books. As soon as the book leaves CBCS, it's a gamble as to whether it's still that grade. there's no protection, so even somebody picking it up could damage it and render that "grade" useless. Seems to be the most pointless thing I've seen in comic grading so far, no? |
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