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CBCS got their tit in the ringer on TATs mainly due to their move to Texas.


don't forget the hurricanes


What’s wrong with hurricanes?


They spin the other way to cyclones
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They spin the other way to cyclones


Dammit now I gotta go look that up to see if its true.
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They spin the other way to cyclones


Dammit now I gotta go look that up to see if its true.


It's the same as flushing the toilet in Australia, it spins the opposite way in the states.

Still remember the Simpsons episode set in Australia where the U.S embassy had a device connected to the toilet so it spun the say way as the states 😅
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Still remember the Simpsons episode set in Australia where the U.S embassy had a device connected to the toilet so it spun the say way as the states 😅



Did they salute it too? Was there a flag?

THe US is weird.
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If CGC is really ramping up significantly it means they are banking on the current market demand continuing into the future. Ramping up for a 500% spike in demand that only lasts 7-8 months can have devastating effects on a company and their reputation when everyone gets laid off. At my company we were able to stop the growth of TAT's by looking for bottlenecks in the product offering. We eliminated the 20% of our product line that was most problematic and most likely to limit our weekly installation capacity. So now our backlog holds steady as we turn away 20% of the customer inquiries. But it's the 20% that was most problematic for us anyway. I'm not buying the argument that these private signings aren't a part of the problem. Seems to me that they disrupt processes and divert resources pretty much every step of the way.
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@DrWatson Well, the 3,200 comic tsunami I dumped on them at the 2019 SDCC may have had a little to do with it.


Here comes the story of the Hurricane
The man the authorities came to blame
For somethin' that he never done
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CBCS got their tit in the ringer on TATs mainly due to their move to Texas.


don't forget the hurricanes


What’s wrong with hurricanes?


CBCS had really bad TAT back in 2017. It was a combination of a lot of factors, hurricanes, staffing, structure and later on the move to Texas did not help. Actually this is the reason why the TAT thread (which is now 3 years old ) got started
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@poka this is spot on perfect! They could change that in a hearbut they won't because it's a business draw.


No, its not. It shows a complete failure to understand the problem.


Now I don't know if this is true, but somebody said that CGC is getting between 5000 and 15000 books every single day. That is every single day. If that's true , and again I have no idea if it is, that is absolutely insane. Now I absolutely love Marc Silvestri and he is one of my favourite artists of all time. But how many books do you actually expect that he's going to get? Let's say he gets 2500 books. If cgc is receiving between 25,000 and 75000 books per week, what kind of delay do you think those 2,500 books are really going to cause?
I'm not happy about the growing turnaround times either, but I don't think that the Signature Events are really the cause of the delay nor do I think they make a serious impact on turnaround times. I could be wrong of course, but logic suggests that it's really a drop in the bucket.

Me, I'm just going to send my books and forget about him. When they're finished they're finished and they'll come home soon. I just hope they have a fun time on vacation. I think TAT right now is in the 4-5 month realm door to door. Thats ok with me.


I am not in a position to say whether the # you are quoting is right or wrong, but let's just assume those are the numbers. in my opinion you are disregarding one key aspect. Most submissions for signing ie just 1 - a few books, whereas regular submissions normally consist of much larger numbers. So - if you have 2500 books for signing - that will generate much more packages to be opened than the remaining 10000 books for regular submission. Hence, the signing events have a big impact. This is also why CGC has now started asking submitters for signing events to clearly mark outside the box the initials of the signing events as otherwise they cannot guarantee that the books will be processed in time
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If CGC is really ramping up significantly it means they are banking on the current market demand continuing into the future. Ramping up for a 500% spike in demand that only lasts 7-8 months can have devastating effects on a company and their reputation when everyone gets laid off. At my company we were able to stop the growth of TAT's by looking for bottlenecks in the product offering. We eliminated the 20% of our product line that was most problematic and most likely to limit our weekly installation capacity. So now our backlog holds steady as we turn away 20% of the customer inquiries. But it's the 20% that was most problematic for us anyway. I'm not buying the argument that these private signings aren't a part of the problem. Seems to me that they disrupt processes and divert resources pretty much every step of the way.


Part of the problem? For sure. Literally anything that adds a single second to the workload is part of the problem though lol

I just don't think its significant enough to really impact things too much. I hate to simplify it so much, but from what I've been told its just strictly volume at this point.

Did you see that card company (PGS or something? I dunno) simply shut off all submissions or something. Now thats bonkers.
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Most submissions for signing ie just 1 - a few books, whereas regular submissions normally consist of much larger numbers. So - if you have 2500 books for signing - that will generate much more packages to be opened than the remaining 10000 books for regular submission


@poka you hit the nail on the head. This was a part of the bottleneck problem at my company as well. A little $900 job had to go through the same 25 office steps as a $6,000 job. Our installation crews maybe didn't have to stay on the job site as long, but they certainly had to drive the same distance both directions to a $900 job site as to a $6,000 job site. Since we started eliminating those kinds of things our backlog has not grown as our weekly production capacity now can keep up with our sales.
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I am not in a position to say whether the # you are quoting is right or wrong, but let's just assume those are the numbers. in my opinion you are disregarding one key aspect. Most submissions for signing ie just 1 - a few books, whereas regular submissions normally consist of much larger numbers. So - if you have 2500 books for signing - that will generate much more packages to be opened than the remaining 10000 books for regular submission. Hence, the signing events have a big impact. This is also why CGC has now started asking submitters for signing events to clearly mark outside the box the initials of the signing events as otherwise they cannot guarantee that the books will be processed in time


The problem here is assumptions, by you and me both. You assume people sending in books for signing only send a small number. I sent 42 for Frank Miller. I know somebody that sent 80. I also know somebody that sent 2.

It also assumes that regular submissions are a higher number of books per submission. This also isn't necessarily true. I usually send at least 25 at a time, but I know people sending 1,2...I have no idea why. Seems a waste of shipping to me, but not my call.

They've also been doing the signature on the box thing for quite a while now. I submitted 19 for TORD, and had to put initials on there. Worked great, even though its fully a ghetto solution. THey separate them fast and off they go. Between you and me though, there's more than enough time between the cut-off date and the actual signing to get everyone in there.
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Well, @mediaslave it sounds like you are definitely right where you belong with CGC. Maybe @JesseO could update your forum name to @CGCSlave for you. Sounds like there's no whipping they can give you that won't make you gleefully request another. But something keeps bringing you back to the slums on our side of the tracks. Not sure if it's just to rub our noses in it, being that you have so good at CGC...or is there something more to it?
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Well, @mediaslave it sounds like you are definitely right where you belong with CGC. Maybe @JesseO could update your forum name to @CGCSlave for you. Sounds like there's no whipping they can give you that won't make you gleefully request another. But something keeps bringing you back to the slums on our side of the tracks. Not sure if it's just to rub our noses in it, being that you have so good at CGC...or is there something more to it?



Drama. Its just funny that you can't see that there really is no whipping. You're so convinced that everything over there is terrible, but really it's not. It's just slow. Its annoying sure, but Im not in a rush. CBCS was slow when they moved, I think 9month TAT. I had 2 submissions that took an absolutely ABSURD amount of time to come back. But I was patient then too and understood that shit happens. I didn't go around talking about how terrible CBCS was.

I only switched because a) it was clear that CBCS was a second place option to CGC and b) they buggered my books.

And I'm on both forums. So? I have books from both companies. I even have a PGX book (its terribly graded.) And I'm not rubbing noses in anything, you just seem to take it that way. I've said consistently that both companies have issues that they need to address. I critique both companies. In fact, compared to your posts, I'm considerably more impartial than you.

And that something else is just silly. You had a silly moment. Maybe its the bedtime sillies, who knows. Are you seriously suggesting that I'm a secret agent from CGC trying to lure people over there?

Considering how slammed they are, do you think CGC even cares about CBCS customers? I don't think at this point CBCS is even considered a viable competitor in this space. Not yet anyways. Maybe someday, but we'll see.
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And that something else is just silly. You had a silly moment. Maybe its the bedtime sillies, who knows. Are you seriously suggesting that I'm a secret agent from CGC trying to lure people over there?

No, I'm suggesting that subconsciously you still would prefer CBCS and you're over here sounding like a guy who's trying to convince himself that his new girlfriend is better than his true love.

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You're so convinced that everything over there is terrible, but really it's not. It's just slow.


I really don't pay much attention there, it's all what I hear here. I'm more about why I'm here, not why I'm not there. Price, Speed, and Product Quality. I've said it many times. It comes down to those 3 things and CBCS ticks all 3 boxes. CGC's first-to-market advantage ticks the Resell Value/Liquidity box. I'm not much of a conformist...I will support the company offering Price, Speed, and Quality over the company offering First-To-Market resale advantage. And I don't expect that advantage to last all that much longer.
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No, I'm suggesting that subconsciously you still would prefer CBCS and you're over here sounding like a guy who's trying to convince himself that his new girlfriend is better than his true love.

Lol thats good. Not quite true, but its a good one. I don't have any animosity towards CBCS, but it just wasn't meant to be. Good starter girlfriend, but I've moved on. We're different people now.

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I really don't pay much attention there, it's all what I hear here. I'm more about why I'm here, not why I'm not there. Price, Speed, and Product Quality. I've said it many times. It comes down to those 3 things and CBCS ticks all 3 boxes. CGC's first-to-market advantage ticks the Resell Value/Liquidity box. I'm not much of a conformist...I will support the company offering Price, Speed, and Quality over the company offering First-To-Market resale advantage. And I don't expect that advantage to last all that much longer.


You keep saying that CGC is where they are because they were first to market, but thats not true. Its a factor, but not the defining reason. The truth IMO is CBCS still looks and feels amateurish compared to CGC in almost everything they do. Its a brand image, and its a problem they haven't addressed. I spoke to them about it what, 2 years ago I guess? And in that two years, nothing has changed. THey're doing the exact same thing. I mean I know theres Covid and all that, but still. I haven't seen anything that would indicate that they even know what to do here, nevermind taking the steps to actually do those things.

I also expect most of CGCs issues to be solved pretty soon, at least relatively well. TATs should decrease, which is what I think most people really want. Me I don't care so much, long as they get home eventually.



BTW, seriously thinkign about sending in my Punishers for a reholder and press/clean on issue 2 and 5. See? Would I do that if I hated CBCS so much?
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@mediaslave maybe ask CGC instead then instead of referring to hearsay as starting point assumption and make that as a solid point for why private signing has no significant impact to the current issues CGC is facing with TAT
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I will not be renewing my membership but I don't see anywhere for a 8 month tat. The last batch of books I sent in (all modern) received on 5/3 already scheduled for grading.


8 months is for the new combined tier of economy and value

Modern book TAT is 4 months

Btw - I have had books scheduled for grading since March - so don't give too much to that books jump directly to scheduled for grading upon receipt


1 thing to clarify though. Does seem that CGC in their TAT count from the date of delivery which would revise Modern to 3 months and Economy to 7 months
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No, I'm suggesting that subconsciously you still would prefer CBCS and you're over here sounding like a guy who's trying to convince himself that his new girlfriend is better than his true love.

Lol thats good. Not quite true, but its a good one. I don't have any animosity towards CBCS, but it just wasn't meant to be. Good starter girlfriend, but I've moved on. We're different people now.


That sounds like exactly what someone would say if they knew in their heart they are with the wrong girl.
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@mediaslave maybe ask CGC instead then instead of referring to hearsay as starting point assumption and make that as a solid point for why private signing has no significant impact to the current issues CGC is facing with TAT


@poka @mediaslave We could put some money on it before asking. I'm going to say the over/under betting line is 4 to 1...a regular submission is 4 times as many books as an average signing submission. I would still bet on the overs if I had to choose. I would put the Money Line around 8 to 1 odds that the average submission is larger than the average signing submission. Now the odds of getting an honest answer...that's a lot tougher.
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Supposed to have 17 named storms in Florida this year

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/weather/hurricane/fl-ne-colorado-state-hurricane-forecast-20210408-in2qvccsubcxzfsfjzgjhfk57q-story.html

Forecasting the number of storms in a year?

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@mediaslave maybe ask CGC instead then instead of referring to hearsay as starting point assumption and make that as a solid point for why private signing has no significant impact to the current issues CGC is facing with TAT


@poka @mediaslave We could put some money on it before asking. I'm going to say the over/under betting line is 4 to 1...a regular submission is 4 times as many books as an average signing submission. I would still bet on the overs if I had to choose. I would put the Money Line around 8 to 1 odds that the average submission is larger than the average signing submission. Now the odds of getting an honest answer...that's a lot tougher.


I would say the current craziness for sure has increased the amount of comics going for Submissions - but interesting enough cbcs seems to be able to cope with it. However, i also think the Weekly personal signing events CGC is now arranging is not helping as all - quite the opposite.
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@mediaslave if that's the case, I can forgive them. But my personal issue is that there seems to be someone new signing every month sometimes two. I feel that whomever is in charge should probably see that maybe it's a bit much. Either way though I'm done with them and washing my hands of the experience there.
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Does that four month mark include pressing?? I'm at three months now and no movement.
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Does that four month mark include pressing?? I'm at three months now and no movement.


IF referring to CGC any TAT excl pressing
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@mediaslave if that's the case, I can forgive them. But my personal issue is that there seems to be someone new signing every month sometimes two. I feel that whomever is in charge should probably see that maybe it's a bit much. Either way though I'm done with them and washing my hands of the experience there.


CGC signings announced so far in May:

5/4: Diego Luna
5/5 Roy Thomas
5/7 Mark Bagley
5/11: Marc Silvestri
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@poka that says it all
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This will be my last word on the matter. I really don't want to debate this any longer because 1. we're collectively going around in circles and 2. it seems no matter what it's the same argument on both sides.

I have been very vocal about CGC in the recent months and my words were less than kind for lack of a better terminology. The truth in the matter is this; I want them to succeed and I hope they are successful. They set the industry standard and for however long time allows I want them to keep it. Several months ago I swore up and down that I was going to be exclusive to the house of Sarasota but all of that changed when I came back here. I remembered the feeling I had when I first arrived here and how excited I was to finally get some books graded. I tired oh did I try and recapture the same feeling over there but something was missing. I'm not certain exactly what that something was but I do know there was a night and day feeling. I took advantage of the March promo here at CBCs and felt as though I never left. From all the memories I made here and the laughs and knowledge I gained from everyone can't be replaced by a label or an industry standard.

To put it simply and I've said this multiple times CBCS just fits what I need out of my collection. CBCS has it's flaws and will continue have them. But at the end of the day , what matters most is " Are you satisfied?" if the answer is yes then why go across the river? In conclusion, I myself am satisfied with my care. I honestly hope CGC gets up to 20,000 books a day maybe 25,000 but I will certainly sleep better at night knowing none of those books belong to me.
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My CGC membership expires in nine days. It was expired for like 18 months before I renewed it last year. I have four books for reholders and three haven't been entered yet. That will be it for a while. I generally don't care about TATs, but I will say their customer service has always been top notch. My main gripe was when they put their new, shit slabs out a few years back that were warping books and Harshen said nothing was wrong. However, there was picture after picture of books being warped in the slabs. Then the mods got rid of the posts about books being messed up, an inner well was added even though the CGC stated there was nothing wrong with the new slabs, and the sheeple came back to the herd pretending like everything was sunshine & farts. Go with what you like and brings you happiness. As @Comicninja0215 stated, CBCS has its problems as well. I really missed the TAT fiasco because I was in the sandbox for a year. But I remember some members posting about legal action being taken if their books weren't either graded or returned. The rivet label was a laughable mess too. CBCS has fixed some stuff, and have done well with it. Some things could be better, but hell, this is my hobby and not my livelihood so I don't take it too serious.
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