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Collector 1.08K	1.08K monjoody private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 6
	Quote: Originally Posted by EbayMafia And of course my favorite part...the self-stated fact that he's actually of no value to either company. But he is a 37 year old self-starter, paid writer, business owner whose been collecting comic books for 31 years. Who did not ask for and does not need our advice. And we are all invited to come comment on his forum apparently. "I'm not a paying customer, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night"
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Can the moderators change my profile caption to <snip> 6.39K	6.39K ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Is there a science in grading comics??
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Pictures? We don't need no stinking pictures. 12.49K	12.49K brysb private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by jokioo Speaking of CGC, look what I almost bid on tonight... until I zoomed in on the book. Pretty shocking that stuff like this slips through the cracks as a 9.6. Don't mean for this to be overly critical or negative, just thought the timing was funny considering this thread popped up! Another careful reminder to buy the book, not the grade. Cheers. Is it possible this book was damaged inside the case after being graded? I see CGC & CBCS comics quite often on eBay and MCS listed in 9.6 and 9.8 and when I zoom in I am shocked at noticeable spine ticks and corner bends!! You have to look closely before you buy anything online, never just assume because of the grade assigned that you are getting that 9.6 or 9.8 accurate grade. I wonder how sturdy the cases really are? I mean if you drop the slabbed case the corners can still bend & if you walk on it surely the spine can still be damaged?? It's much better than raw grades but the case it not indestructible.
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Collector 642	642 jokioo private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by brysb Quote: Originally Posted by jokioo Speaking of CGC, look what I almost bid on tonight... until I zoomed in on the book. Pretty shocking that stuff like this slips through the cracks as a 9.6. Don't mean for this to be overly critical or negative, just thought the timing was funny considering this thread popped up! Another careful reminder to buy the book, not the grade. Cheers. Is it possible this book was damaged inside the case after being graded? I see CGC & CBCS comics quite often on eBay and MCS listed in 9.6 and 9.8 and when I zoom in I am shocked at noticeable spine ticks and corner bends!! You have to look closely before you buy anything online, never just assume because of the grade assigned that you are getting that 9.6 or 9.8 accurate grade. I wonder how sturdy the cases really are? I mean if you drop the slabbed case the corners can still bend & if you walk on it surely the spine can still be damaged?? It's much better than raw grades but the case it not indestructible. That was my initial thought, but the placement of the ticks throughout the entire spine of the book made me think twice. TT12 definitely picks up ticks really easily, which is why it's so tough in a 9.8, but I doubt the book could be dealt that much damage in the case. I don't slab modern books at a high volume though, so others might have better insight on this.
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! 20.97K	20.97K Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	My insight is either 3 blind mice graded this book or someone(s) was in a hurry to barely bother
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. 80.65K	80.65K GAC private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 18
	Quote: Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 My insight is either 3 blind mice graded this book or someone(s) was in a hurry to barely bother Or there's a real sweet looking 5.0 out there.
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Masculinity takes a holiday. 37.4K	37.4K EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 6
	Quote: Originally Posted by GAC Quote: Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 My insight is either 3 blind mice graded this book or someone(s) was in a hurry to barely bother Or there's a real sweet looking 5.0 out there. That's what I was thinking.
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! 20.97K	20.97K Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	I just found it. It sold for $212. Other "real" 9.6's sell for roughly $250+ So many folks realized it; but apparently not enough to still spend $212 on a 9.TrainWreck
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Collector 44	44 adamlui private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus Just so you guys know, this particular user is playing victim. He got into a flame war with multiple people because he would not accept what the general informed public was conveying. I absolutely agree that several of you were blindly defending CGC's ethics as loyalists. My interactions with you were not cited as reasons for the banning but nice try
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Collector* 10.54K	10.54K Towmater private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 6
	I can't get over how much someone's posting style and word usage reminds me of another poster's.
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Can the moderators change my profile caption to <snip> 6.39K	6.39K ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	This thread getting locked lol
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Originally Posted by BrianGreensnips
I know you were hoping more members would chime in.

Well you're wrong, I'll state again, the purpose of this thread was to answer a simple yes/no question to determine the censorship vibe of this forum. Then @EbayMafia demanded I "lay" it on him which led to the incident being revealed. Again, @chester15 then strangely began telling me what to do w/ "Don't send stuff in, don't buy their finished product, stay away" + belittling me along the way is what caused me to reveal my action plan; to let him know I didn't exactly need his unsolicited permission to do what I wanted. I repeat I am not seeking anyone to chime in on anything, and that this thread was expected to end after two posts (but I welcome any and all users to post anything they want as I am against censorship)

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Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus
He doesn't know who Steve Borock is

I'm in communications with him via email

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Originally Posted by peterc777
I think everyone should be wary of making assertions based on anecdotal evidence. I heard from, like, five friends that they know a guy whose stomach exploded after eating pop rocks and cola. True story. Swear to God.

Longtime 15y+ members of the CGC community claimed the creator of this company whose site you're on revealed CGC's policy of giving higher grades to older books. Why would they lie about something that would make them look bad not good...

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Originally Posted by MatterEaterLad
The co-owner of Heritage created a coin grading agency that was actually shut down by the FTC for giving inflated grades (to coins HE was selling). He's also co-owner of CGC.

This explains a lot! Can you link or DM me to some reading material on this event?

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Originally Posted by EbayMafia
But he is a 37 year old self-starter, paid writer, business owner whose been collecting comic books for 31 years. Who did not ask for and does not need our advice.

I am 37 you can google me it shows my birthdate:

And I absolutely own a California LLC and you can find my paid writing on Google, too. As a collector since the 90s that makes it 31 years. What point are you trying to make, exactly? If insinuating lies were told, perhaps do some research first?

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Originally Posted by EbayMafia
And we are all invited to come comment on his forum apparently.

I don't own a forum but several communities on LinkedIn / Discord / FB, what forum do you refer to? Also when did I invite anyone to join my groups I have never revealed until this post...

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Collector 44	44 adamlui private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by Towmater I can't get over how much someone's posting style and word usage reminds me of another poster's. Who exactly are you accusing me of being? Curiously, CGC's forum rep just emailed me bizarrely accusing me of being someone else like you have, as a reason for my banning...
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Pictures? We don't need no stinking pictures. 12.49K	12.49K brysb private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 6
	Quote: Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 My insight is either 3 blind mice graded this book or someone(s) was in a hurry to barely bother The bigger question is what happens to this comic graded as a 9.6 that looks more like an 8.5? Will it get passed off to another buyer eventually under the shoddy grade?
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Collector 44	44 adamlui private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by monjoody "I'm not a paying customer, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night" Sorry sir I don't understand your comment, not all CGC collectors utilize their submission services (let alone have to in order to form informed opinions based on revelations of customers who have for over 15 years). For example I intend to collect CBCS slabs now that I've gained so much insight thanks to the invaluable contributions of several members in this thread, but it still won't mean I intend to be a customer of CBCS itself (or am somehow not entitled to opine on grading processes of either company that directly affect the comics I own)
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past performance is no guarantee of future actions. 31.82K	31.82K KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	Quote: Originally Posted by brysb Quote: Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 My insight is either 3 blind mice graded this book or someone(s) was in a hurry to barely bother The bigger question is what happens to this comic graded as a 9.6 that looks more like an 8.5? Will it get passed off to another buyer eventually under the shoddy grade? 100% yes. The current market is nuts and there are people buying things without knowing anything about anything. They see 9.6 and even looking at the book don't realize that it in no way is a 9.6 I mean...good for you if you got the grade and can offload it without anyone noticing and returning it. I have some 8.5 to 9.2 books that I would gladly sell at a 9.6 price!! Now....while for the most part I've kicked and beat that stupid little cricket voice down that it no longer bothers me, I would not offer it for sale to a board member..but happily take some rube on the bay!
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I hear their hourly rate is outrageous! 21.47K	21.47K sportshort private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by KatKomics I knew a guy who lived with his sister and his mom...same person you're a liar and you sit on a throne of lies! You're not even trying to make sense. LOL
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! 20.97K	20.97K Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by KatKomics They see 9.6 and even looking at the book don't realize that it in no way is a 9.6 This.
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Masculinity takes a holiday. 37.4K	37.4K EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by KatKomics The current market is nuts and there are people buying things without knowing anything about anything. They see 9.6 and even looking at the book don't realize that it in no way is a 9.6 People are also buying on cell phones. Fortunately it's not a key book, so it won't cause too much damage.
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I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie. 29.71K	29.71K flanders private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by Towmater I can't get over how much someone's posting style and word usage reminds me of another poster's. That one guy with his list of thousands of blocked buyers and sellers?
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. 61.25K	61.25K DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	But Cal isn't banned.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. 80.65K	80.65K GAC private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by EbayMafia Quote: Originally Posted by KatKomics The current market is nuts and there are people buying things without knowing anything about anything. They see 9.6 and even looking at the book don't realize that it in no way is a 9.6 People are also buying on cell phones. This is most certain...but in cgc's defence (any 3rd party grader really...except PGX, they get no defence), this is clearly a mistake...either by the graders or the slabber people but definitely the QC people.. They're churning out a million books...there's bound to be mistakes. Not making excuses but we're talking human error here....its happened before and it'll happen again....it'll always happen. It's just a question of frequency. Obviously 100% accuracy is the desired goal but realistically speaking what's the acceptable error rate? 1 in 100? 1 in 1000?
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Collector 44	44 adamlui private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by GAC This is most certain...but in cgc's defence (any 3rd party grader really...except PGX, they get no defence), this is clearly a mistake You refer to the Teen Titans posted by @jokioo? If so, why is it clearly one instead of merely possible due to human error?
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. 80.65K	80.65K GAC private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by adamlui Quote: Originally Posted by GAC This is most certain...but in cgc's defence (any 3rd party grader really...except PGX, they get no defence), this is clearly a mistake You refer to the Teen Titans posted by @jokioo? If so, why is it clearly one instead of merely possible due to human error? you lost me chum...not sure what you're asking me.
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Collector 44	44 adamlui private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by brysb The bigger question is what happens to this comic graded as a 9.6 that looks more like an 8.5? Will it get passed off to another buyer eventually under the shoddy grade? In my view there are two types of collectors, those who go by the tin and those who value the true grade of a book. Those who continue to trade based on overvaluation of what a grading company says will continue to drive demand as long as they continue buying/selling. But if they ever go away, then the raw-oriented market accounting for "true" grade (similar to how page color is factored) will reflect in lower prices. The more widespread the revelations that books can intentionally/unintentionally be misgraded by humans + deteriorate while slabbed (for example yellowing occurs even after marked WHITE as acid oxidation only needs air to occur and slabs aren't airtight) the less they will be valued but the market leader will always have the financial incentive to control such information to maintain a rep/profits
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Collector 44	44 adamlui private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by GAC Quote: Originally Posted by adamlui Quote: Originally Posted by GAC This is most certain...but in cgc's defence (any 3rd party grader really...except PGX, they get no defence), this is clearly a mistake You refer to the Teen Titans posted by @jokioo? If so, why is it clearly one instead of merely possible due to human error? you lost me chum...not sure what you're asking me. Why is it "clearly" an unintentional error?
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Collector 44	44 adamlui private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	What makes it clear to you that it wasn't the result of broader policy, given posts like @MatterEaterLad's: Quote: Originally Posted by MatterEaterLad The co-owner of Heritage created a coin grading agency that was actually shut down by the FTC for giving inflated grades (to coins HE was selling). He's also co-owner of CGC.
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Collector 44	44 adamlui private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	I have to ship a comic at the post office before they close can you tag me so I respond later (curious to know the reasoning behind your perception)
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. 80.65K	80.65K GAC private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	Quote: Originally Posted by adamlui Quote: Originally Posted by GAC Quote: Originally Posted by adamlui Quote: Originally Posted by GAC This is most certain...but in cgc's defence (any 3rd party grader really...except PGX, they get no defence), this is clearly a mistake You refer to the Teen Titans posted by @jokioo? If so, why is it clearly one instead of merely possible due to human error? you lost me chum...not sure what you're asking me. Why is it "clearly" an unintentional error? it's an egregious error is it not? It's an obvious error correct? Anyone with eyeballs can see that book is not a 9.6 right? Clearly it's a mistake...a human error.
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Masculinity takes a holiday. 37.4K	37.4K EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 12
	@GAC the fellow's not here to consider others opinions. He’s here to lecture and be heard. It may be all my fault though. Apparently I demanded that he “Lay it on us”. And you remember what happened to the last guy who ignored my demands to “lay it on us”?
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