Is discussing CGC allowed?14404
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Quote:Originally Posted by adamlui Sorry, I misunderstood. I thought it was about increasing grades for specific clients. As far as grading older books more favorably, yeah I assume that's typical and I'm ok with it as long as it's consistent from one client to the next. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia Increasing for clients will be a tough thing to prove but doing it to specific-era books without disclosing it publicly is bad for collecting because collectors will look at the page that publicly lists the criteria and not see age factor being mentioned anywhere, then when they resell it lose money due to this deceptive practice if the buyer is more privy to the policy from being a member of a proprietary board from ten years ago |
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| But the financial incentive is just too great for them to publicly disclose little things like that which increase grade for all customers, knowing no one who likes money would complain | ||
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 It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors.
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Quote:Originally Posted by adamlui "Noted" means found, or observed, in this grade. A different standard for the older book. Why would Overstreet even bring it up if it wasn't meant as an exception? "Both of the major comic grading services list pages upon pages of high-level criteria for what determines a grade." There's like one sentence for each grade on the CGC page you reference, which I had already viewed to make sure it hadn't changed from it's Spartan approach. This isn't complicated. The only one who cares about your "revelation" is you. Most people know that GA books get a bit of a nod in some aspects. I'm sure GA collectors would like to have high grade books, but if 8.0 was the cream of the crop, it doesn't seem too exciting. So maybe it's graded on a bit of a curve. The dollar values will follow the same curve. I have a few GA books. Maybe I'll send those 4.0's in and scoop up a few 7.5 grades while the "getting is good". Before the big revelation hits prime time. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by chester15 If Overstreet mentions something was "noted" in a grade they're not giving a guideline but an observation. Even if you view what you pasted as guideline, it's still a public disclosure so there's nothing unethical / destructive about what Overstreet's doing Quote: Originally Posted by chester15 The "one sentence for each grade" adding up to over 20 sentences is hardly the "almost NOTHING about what determines a grade" you originally claimed Quote: Originally Posted by chester15 You seem to care deeply after proclaiming that not just you, but EVERYONE doesn't, to be continuing quoting and dissecting my quotes exactly like I do to others now XD Quote: Originally Posted by chester15 Again, grandiosely speaking on behalf of others Quote: Originally Posted by chester15 That's a terrible reason why deceptive grades should be allowed. That's like saying, "No one can have a Mona Lisa and owning Monets is not exciting as the cream of the crop... let's call them all Mona Lisa's" Quote: Originally Posted by chester15 No it won't have you heard of PGX? It will eventually catch up to the services that do it (especially without so much a public disclosure) Quote: Originally Posted by chester15 That would only work if you sell it before my attrition attains a critical level of exposure. Until I find out if CBCS is the same way my speed of action is yet to be determined. |
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| I don't see a lot of people posting anything in support of your thesis. I'll give you a 10/10 for being a good investigative reporter. Your email to CBCS will likely be answered in generalities, as they probably won't want to get any more specific than CGC was, trade secrets and such, etc. CGC's grading definitions probably contain less than 500 words for 25 grades. A 3rd grader could have done it. Compare that to THIS It's like night and day. |
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| @adamlui, welcome to the forum but you should relax a bit on this. It's not breaking news, you're not the little boy pointing out that the Emperor has no clothes. Older books are in far shorter supply than newer books. A book with 150 graded copies doesn't need to be as strictly differentiated by condition the way a book with 2,500 graded copies needs to be. As long as the grading is consistent for that age and that grading company, it doesn't really matter if the top graded All Star Comics #7 is called a 9.4 or a 9.0. Collectors understand this and we don't find it to be completely unreasonable. | ||
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| I don't need anything to be more specific everything I write is with purpose (I'm even a paid writer). The purpose of the email was to get a yes/no answer to a simple question, I do not need trade secrets... | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by chester15 A lot of people have to support things for you to care/believe? Did you know most of the population believed the earth was flat at one point in history? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia How come you welcome me when we've been writing at each other for a while now... Quote: Originally Posted by EbayMafia Why do you think that? Curious to know. And you're speaking for the needs of who exactly, the buyer? The seller? The collector who doesn't invest? Be specific when formulating your opinions as it will be conducive to a more productive discussion. Quote: Originally Posted by EbayMafia You are doing what chester15's doing and speaking for other collectors. I am a collector of 31 years and I assure you I find this to be completely unreasonable. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by adamlui Here's an idea. We'll both stop posting, and we'll see what others have to say about the situation. If it's important to them, it might be discussed. If it isn't, oh well. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by chester15 You're not CBCS, I didn't ask you any question at all... Quote: Originally Posted by chester15 I agree you two are disproportionately hogging the thread with nothing insightful but just bashing me, for someone who doesn't care why don't you just leave me alone sir |
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| We're just exchanging opinions, Adam. No harm in that. We just disagree about a few things, no big deal. Maybe someone else will have some insight. Good luck on your quest, and I do mean that sincerely. |
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| That's fine but you keep complaining like no one cares as if I'm the one hogging a thread on a public forum without realizing you're the one dominating it thru-out with your opinions and speaking on behalf of everyone like you're every collector or CBCS itself able to reply to my emails as a time traveler from the future | ||
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chester15 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Adam, for the record, you have 36 posts, I have 13 including this one. Yet I am dominating? I am saying things you don't agree with, and vice-versa, so we have both taken up a lot of bytes due to that. But I'm leaving it alone. And I did some of those things you mention, speaking on behalf, etc., and that was over-reaching. Getting late, so some mistakes will happen. My apologies. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by adamlui I just think you ought to take a little time to settle in seeing as how you're running out of places to find an audience for your concerns. I don't think your concerns are unreasonable but you seem to find pushback against them to be intolerable. What are you hoping to accomplish? If you're looking to round up a Posse that will help you slay the dragon, you're probably going to have to go about it in a more patient and endearing manner. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by chester15 I authored this thread I respond to everyone! Only your 2nd post was even insightful, then I disagreed with your next point (that neither company factors age intentionally) in a very neutral, civil manner, and that's when the onslaught of insults by you arrived. "NO ONE CARES." "Conspiracy theorist" etc. etc. etc. How do you not see you have a really bad temper and are really rude to people the moment they disagree with your "authority", people YOU chose to engage, not the other way around... |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia What does that even mean, take time to settle. This is a public forum I asked an innocuous question so I know what the climate is for future posts. I did not expect you two to fight me like some conspiracy theorist when it is you two that don't understand it is a policy not an accusation as admitted by long-time members of CGC's own board. Do I seriously look like I'm rounding up some Posse to you? Or does it seem like I know what I'm doing and am a self-starter? Even if I were, why do I need your advice on how to do things? I'm 37 not a child and you and chester15 are so similar in the way you impose your will upon people you've never met, as if your opinion must count like it was even sought to begin with... |
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| My future intentions were only revealed because @chester15 gave really bad advice of "deal with it" when I didn't even ask for advice, I only asked "Is CGC allowed on this board." But because you gave that bad advice, I revealed I actually was planning on doing something about CGC's deceptive grading practices. I wasn't seeking a posse to join me, and I certainly don't need advice especially from someone who thinks there's no recourse for getting a bad grade (which I'm not sure why you even brought up, I've never submitted a comic in my life) | ||
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people and their agendas  |
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adamlui private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Yes I have an agenda to expose CGC's deceptive practice of inflating grade that I had no intention of sharing with this forum. This thread's sole purpose was to simply discover whether CBCS's forums were similar to CGC's, until @EbayMafia demanded I "lay" it on him which led to the incident being revealed. @chester15 then strangely began telling me what to do w/ "Don't send stuff in, don't buy their finished product, stay away" + belittling me along the way is what caused me to reveal my actual plan; to let him know I didn't exactly need his unsolicited permission to do what I wanted. It wasn't meant to recruit some "posse" nor seek opinions it was meant to answer a yes/no question and end at two posts tops. |
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| interesting thread, worth cracking open a beer & re-reading & having a giggle or two (won't be scratching nuts on the re-read thru did that the 1st time) nutscratcher |
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| Nice name! @nutscratcher | ||
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| Almost makes you realize why "discussing CGC" might be a bad idea in actuality doesnt it? | ||
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| @Darkseid_of_town Nah, it keeps the forum interesting. |
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| no flag is being planted here. the topic of this discussion has been discussed many many times. A simple search here should reveal that. newer books are graded way more strictly than the old books. | ||
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| This guy? *facepalm* | ||
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theCapraAegagrus private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Just so you guys know, this particular user is playing victim. He got into a flame war with multiple people because he would not accept what the general informed public was conveying. That is why he was suspended. He was not suspended for his comments about CGC. He doesn't know who Steve Borock is, and does not accept his comments on grading Golden Age books. It'll be interesting to see any other reactions to his commentary. |
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 I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).Splotches is gettin old! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by jokioo This is a train wreck example of grading. Wow. Did 2/3 graders look at this and come to a 9.6 conclusion? |
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 I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery.
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| I'll need to run by Dairy Queen and pick me up a Dilly Bar before I tuck in to this thread. | ||
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