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My number was off on next year's selling. It's 600$

Here is link to more information.


A provision the 2021 Rescue Plan Act would lower the threshold considerably - it would require companies to send a 1099K to sellers for whom they've processed over $600, period. In our reading of the bill's language, it appears if you sell $601 worth of items, even in a single transaction, the payment processor is required to file Form 1099K.

https://www.ecommercebytes.com/C/abblog/blog.pl?/comments/2021/3/1615153514.html


..and that leads to capital gains tax I've been writing about. Hope everyone has been keeping excellent records on what you paid for the books you are selling.

The above will lead to less sales online. Less GO Collect data. More person to person and sales at conventions. Add in the other things like people going back to work and this year will be the end of the bubble.
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..and that leads to capital gains tax I've been writing about. Hope everyone has been keeping excellent records on what you paid for the books you are selling.


Keep in mind that the sales are offset by more than just the purchase price. It can also be any related expenses of attending conventions, traveling for comics, etc. The actual physical documentation only becomes important if you were to get audited. When I buy books I enter them into GoCollect with the total purchase price including sales tax, shipping, as well as pressing and slabbing when applicable. Also books purchased online will have a record somewhere in the cloud, but it's nice to have everything in one place when you need it. 95% of us will be taken at our word by the IRS unless we start making nonsense claims for expenses.
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I don't know if its a good problem to have but most of my purchases were extremely cheap compared to prices now. I am going to get railed even if I provide receipts of books purchased. =(
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@EbayMafia If you don’t mind my asking, will you be rolling some of that profit into another mega key? If so, it’ll be interesting to see what you snag next.
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..and that leads to capital gains tax I've been writing about. Hope everyone has been keeping excellent records on what you paid for the books you are selling.


Keep in mind that the sales are offset by more than just the purchase price. It can also be any related expenses of attending conventions, traveling for comics, etc. The actual physical documentation only becomes important if you were to get audited. When I buy books I enter them into GoCollect with the total purchase price including sales tax, shipping, as well as pressing and slabbing when applicable. Also books purchased online will have a record somewhere in the cloud, but it's nice to have everything in one place when you need it. 95% of us will be taken at our word by the IRS unless we start making nonsense claims for expenses.


If you’ve even been through an audit then you would be so flippant as your post indicates.

Personally, I’ve never been a big SWAG type of guy and would never be that when my character could be called into question. I can’t imagine betting that the IRS would take my word for anything. Having documentation and receipts are the only way to do that honestly and the only way the CPA firm that does our taxes would put anything down on paper for us to sign. That firm would not defend our taxes with us if the IRS came knocking if we did it some other way.

Apparently your mileage varies.
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My number was off on next year's selling. It's 600$

Here is link to more information.


A provision the 2021 Rescue Plan Act would lower the threshold considerably - it would require companies to send a 1099K to sellers for whom they've processed over $600, period. In our reading of the bill's language, it appears if you sell $601 worth of items, even in a single transaction, the payment processor is required to file Form 1099K.

https://www.ecommercebytes.com/C/abblog/blog.pl?/comments/2021/3/1615153514.html


..and that leads to capital gains tax I've been writing about. Hope everyone has been keeping excellent records on what you paid for the books you are selling.

The above will lead to less sales online. Less GO Collect data. More person to person and sales at conventions. Add in the other things like people going back to work and this year will be the end of the bubble.
or perhaps only the start...
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@EbayMafia If you don’t mind my asking, will you be rolling some of that profit into another mega key? If so, it’ll be interesting to see what you snag next.


One can hope.

Last year I grabbed some really nice books.

I have some shows and auctions coming up.
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@EbayMafia If you don’t mind my asking, will you be rolling some of that profit into another mega key? If so, it’ll be interesting to see what you snag next.


I believe you mean the other fellow. Which, by the way congratulations @drchaos. I know how much fun it is when a small gamble pays off, must be that much more exciting when a big one pays off.
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@EbayMafia Yeah, replied to the wrong post.
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My number was off on next year's selling. It's 600$

Here is link to more information.


A provision the 2021 Rescue Plan Act would lower the threshold considerably - it would require companies to send a 1099K to sellers for whom they've processed over $600, period. In our reading of the bill's language, it appears if you sell $601 worth of items, even in a single transaction, the payment processor is required to file Form 1099K.

https://www.ecommercebytes.com/C/abblog/blog.pl?/comments/2021/3/1615153514.html


..and that leads to capital gains tax I've been writing about. Hope everyone has been keeping excellent records on what you paid for the books you are selling.

The above will lead to less sales online. Less GO Collect data. More person to person and sales at conventions. Add in the other things like people going back to work and this year will be the end of the bubble.
or perhaps only the start...


Maybe, but I have to believe that the timer is about to run out. Pretty soon those that haven't been making certain monthly payments are going to have to start making them again, along with people going back to work, along with hyperinflation, along with the list goes on and on.

I just hope that the slow down starts later - like towards late fall. I have a very big collectable that goes up for auction in the summer. I'd like to maximize the sale.
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yes all the normal steps of life will resume...like it always has
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yes all the normal steps of life will resume...like it always has


I think 2020 was a Catalyst event in Human history. I really don't know what will be normal going forward. We're starting to see some signs and hints that give us the ability to prognosticate, but the next chapter in all our lives is going to be an interesting one.
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for. drchaos private msg quote post Address this user
Wow did we go off topic on this one!
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yes all the normal steps of life will resume...like it always has


Cool Beans! Thanks for sharing that you understood my point and understanding that all the things that are driving the bubble will soon be a thing of the past.

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I think 2020 was a Catalyst event in Human history. I really don't know what will be normal going forward. We're starting to see some signs and hints that give us the ability to prognosticate, but the next chapter in all our lives is going to be an interesting one.


I agree with that. Hope ya'll have a sunny place to run off to weather what's headed our way.
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uh yeah no.....and how utterly rude to attempt to twist someones post to their own belief set. The first issue is I dont believe there is a "bubble"..and the 2nd thing is I dont believe it is being "driven"



The hobby like any normally does will always have its higher points and lower ones and when the highs cannot be sustained they either enter a point where the current price of a book drops slightly or it stagnates at a given level for a few years before moving up further. Some of these comics have been around since 1938 and show a pattern of constant price increase for almost 85 years, through wars, recessions, and even drops in oatmeal futures. What they do not demonstrate and never have is a massive drop or loss in price for a sustained period.

Thanks for sharing that you fail to understand my point and are still trying to force people to accept your own
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What they do not demonstrate and never have is a massive drop or loss in price for a sustained period.

How would you measure this? That is, I think we are in a bubble, and I think prices will start to drop this summer, perhaps early fall, and continue to drop into next year. I think the correction will be massive for some books (GSX #1, UF4, others), but significant across pretty much all valuable comics.

But it seems like you disagree. And so I am wondering what criteria you would use to measure that. What, quantitatively, is the difference between "drops slightly" and "a massive drop or loss in price for a sustained period?"

For myself, I would say the massive drop or loss in price would be: prices go to at least half of what they are now, as measured by the most recent highest sale, across all major and minor keys. And the drop will be more, as I mentioned, for some exceptionally accelerating keys. And I further believe that drop will occur before the year's end, though next year's prices will also be soft.
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Its almost as if someones head is in the sand and not realizing that there is even a "unnatural" bubble. Although, I think it has more to do with a lack of the understanding what is driving the current bubble and failing to realize or recognize that it isn't being driven by hobbyist.
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Its almost as if ones head is in the sand and not realizing that there is even a bubble. Although, I think it has more to do with a lack of the understanding what is driving the current bubble and failing to realize or recognize that it isn't being driven by hobbyist.

I wouldn't put it like that. @Darkseid_of_town and I may disagree about the current situation, re: a value bubble, but I definitely respect his opinion, and I'm sincerely interested in hearing more about his thought processes here.

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the current bubble ... isn't being driven by hobbyists.

You know, it's funny you say this. A few years ago I was watching that movie, Alien Nation? Have you seen it? The gist is, hundreds of thousands of members of an alien race, the Newcomers, are rescued and assimilated in California. And, culturally, they are pretty monolithic ... they are all pretty similar to each other: different from Americans/humans in the same ways, surprised by the same sorts of things, enjoying the same activities.

And I was idling thinking about how the Newcomers were like this. How, as a group, they would all have the same kinds of likes and dislikes. And I wondered what would happen if they suddenly discovered collecting comic books. What would happen if a few hundred thousand Newcomers suddenly, enthusiastically, embraced comic book collecting?

And I thought, at first, collectors and stores and dealers would love it! Are you kidding? Sales going through the roof? Everything we own getting to be more valuable? People would be giddy with excitement, thrilled that their collections are becoming so valuable and their net worth is going up. Wondering what new character, key book, cover, or issue would suddenly catch their interest. Watching as the Newcomers' buying and collecting became more sophisticated, delving into more esoteric knowledge about comics.

But then, prices would keep going up. The keys double, and then double again. Weird, overlooked books suddenly go nuts. Dollar bin comics find themselves elevated like never before. And the old school collectors start grumbling about how ridiculous the prices are. Complaining that they can't find anything for a reasonable price anymore. And, eventually, criticizing all the Newcomers for "ruining" the hobby ... ironically, by embracing it too hard.

And so I found it amusing that the current situation has played out exactly like this. I mean, not with aliens. (Probably.) But with all these newcomers in the hobby, injecting TONS of new money, buying up all the keys, and driving prices higher and higher. And causing not a little resentment, too, that all these new people in the hobby are just posers, not "real" collectors, and are making it hard for the "true" fans to find good deals.
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I have multiple reasons for my thinking Ted, and thanks for taking the time to ask rather than just running people down if they hold a differing view.
1)History -You can take any ten key books and use whatever souce you consider as valid, be it overstreet or GPA or Gocollect, and go back as far as you can and check those books yearly...they seldom drop and when they do its a small amount if anything. Usually what happens is the price will remain static for a few years, rising slightly, or lowering slightly then begin sliding higher again. With Overstreet you can go as far back as the mid seventies with their publications. At no point do any of the reporting methods we have for annual prices show any mass cratering of key prices or half price fire sales .
2) new and hugely expanded market- Marvel made their series of hit movies over the past several years on an international market, not a localized one. They exposed millions of new fans to these stories and characters and as a consequence managed to create a huge new audience for the comics as well. Many of these keys and high sales you are seeing are sending these books overseas to England, Poland, spain, Australia, and even Russia.
3) a Different audience than ever before-hang out in the facebook groups and watch the young trenders and flippers work. They know the market and the books they are flipping..these arent dealers about to get stuck with 300 extra copies of x men 1, these are savy teens making their money working the market trends. They arent as a collective just going to sit back and start devaluing their investments .Where you used to have the choice of shows, cons and local dealers , now Ebay is filled with flippers and they are good at this.
4) As things open back up in this country so too is the big advertisement source for all things comic related...Disney. We are already seeing their planning bear fruit with Wandavision, and now Falcon and Winter soldier series' . They are only going to escalate and expand what they are offering and teasing and trust me, when the trailers for x properties and fantastic four start hitting the market will continue exponentially and unchecked.....prices are going nowhere downwards on key books within any of those properties anytime soon based on that.

5) I believe the current government and administration will return our economy to a healthy status, and restore the worlds faith in our leaders, government and leadership . I see bright days coming for our country not bleak or dreary ones. A high tide raises all ships and comics will continue to rise with that effort.
6) We have a whole generation now who have grown up with characters they watched created...Spidergwen, Miles morales, etc. None of those properties is going anywhere down as long as the young market entering the hobby expands. We already know plans are in the worls for more movies featuring the spiderverse characters so no gloom and doom to be had there for sure.

I think you can take two characters as examples for this scenario. Lets look at Iron man and Wonder woman....Iron man was introduced in Tales of suspense , so look at todays prices and compare them over the past 20 years. You will see that book flying much higher, by multiples than it did prior to the first movie. No movie in a few years for him and no real plans for one, nope. After End Game the book dropped a bit , was static then moved right up more sharply than ever. Yet we dont see prices crashing by half, and people fire selling his books. People realize that they will continue moving and continue growing.
Wonder woman.....a property you could buy in heavily and cheaply just a few years ago..then word of the movie came and much of it shot quite high. The second movie saw delays and then opened to fan disappointment...much let down for many. Yet wonder woman books in especially the silver and golden age, as well as keys are still selling at multiples over what they ever have previouosly. Why no fire sale and half price deals? because people know its a sound title and will either eventually deliver more dividends or at least not drop sharply.
Select your own example and trace sales as far back as you like, these books have always shown themselves capable of climbing regardless what we think
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Its almost as if ones head is in the sand and not realizing that there is even a bubble. Although, I think it has more to do with a lack of the understanding what is driving the current bubble and failing to realize or recognize that it isn't being driven by hobbyist.

I wouldn't put it like that. @Darkseid_of_town and I may disagree about the current situation, re: a value bubble, but I definitely respect his opinion, and I'm sincerely interested in hearing more about his thought processes here.

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the current bubble ... isn't being driven by hobbyists.

You know, it's funny you say this. A few years ago I was watching that movie, Alien Nation. Have you seen it? The gist is, hundreds of thousands of members of an alien race are rescued and assimilated in California. And, culturally, they are pretty monolithic ... they are all pretty similar to each other, different from Americans/humans in the same ways, surprised by the same sorts of things, enjoying the same activities.

And I was idling thinking about how the Newcomers did this. How, as a group, they would all have the same kinds of likes and dislikes. And I wondered what would happen if they suddenly discovered collecting comic books. What would happen if a few hundred thousand Newcomers suddenly, enthusiastically, embraced comic book collecting?

And I thought, at first, collectors and stores and dealers would love it! Are you kidding? Sales going through the roof? Everything we own getting to be more valuable? People would be giddy with excitement, thrilled that their collections are becoming so valuable and their net worth is going up.


But then, prices would keep going up. The keys double, and then double again. Weird, overlooked books suddenly go nuts. Dollar bin comics find themselves elevated like never before. And the old school collectors start grumbling about how ridiculous the prices are. Complaining that they can't find anything for a reasonable price anymore. And, eventually, criticizing all the Newcomers for ruining the hobby ... ironically, by embracing it too hard.

And so I found it amusing that the current situation has played out exactly like this. I mean, not with aliens. (Probably.) But with all these newcomers in the hobby, injecting TONS of new money, buying up all the keys, and driving prices higher and higher. And causing not a little resentment, too, that all these new people in the hobby are just posers, not "real" collectors, and are making it hard for the "true" fans to find good deals.


You hit a superb analogy there Ted..now apply that to the newly opened comic sales markets for places like Russia, China, and the rest of the world which prior to the recent wave of movies had not known these stories and characters.

Much like any rock group today, the best way to promote sales is TOUR...Disney uses their movies to do this the world over. As the tours resume, watch the sales follow. We arent in a bubble about to burst, we are just watching the start of one!
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Books have gone up in value over the years, also dipping a little as certain times.

I've been collecting comics since 87 and I I've never seen not just one title but a lot of titles jump 7k up to 15k and more in 30 days.

Not over a year or 5 years

30 days

Sorry this gives me pause.
Can't wait to see the conclusion.
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You hit a superb analogy there Ted..now apply that to the newly opened comic sales markets for places like Russia, China, and the rest of the world which prior to the recent wave of movies had not known these stories and characters.


Just FYI - in China comics are mostly released digital not in paper form
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@Drchaos - congrats with the sale
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You hit a superb analogy there Ted..now apply that to the newly opened comic sales markets for places like Russia, China, and the rest of the world which prior to the recent wave of movies had not known these stories and characters.


Just FYI - in China comics are mostly released digital not in paper form


Any idea why this is the case?
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@Drchaos - congrats with the sale


Thanks!
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You hit a superb analogy there Ted..now apply that to the newly opened comic sales markets for places like Russia, China, and the rest of the world which prior to the recent wave of movies had not known these stories and characters.


Just FYI - in China comics are mostly released digital not in paper form


Any idea why this is the case?



china is a very digital society - much more than the US. secondly china does not have the same comic tradition as the US
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Very interesting.
I don't have contact with folks outside of USA. Its always nice to learn something new of other places.
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I think we are in a bubble, and I think prices will start to drop this summer, perhaps early fall, and continue to drop into next year.


Now that I know about the 2022 changes in online sales reporting requirements...this is exactly the timeline I have in mind as well. Although I'm thinking that come Jan 1 2022 there may be a shortage of online inventory and this could create a recovery, if confidence is not already lost.
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You hit a superb analogy there Ted..now apply that to the newly opened comic sales markets for places like Russia, China, and the rest of the world which prior to the recent wave of movies had not known these stories and characters.


Just FYI - in China comics are mostly released digital not in paper form
perhaps for newer stuff but back issues are still sold...why yes, on paper, just like with you buying them. And that is what we are discussing right? Back issues and key sales
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You hit a superb analogy there Ted..now apply that to the newly opened comic sales markets for places like Russia, China, and the rest of the world which prior to the recent wave of movies had not known these stories and characters.


Just FYI - in China comics are mostly released digital not in paper form
perhaps for newer stuff but back issues are still sold...why yes, on paper, just like with you buying them. And that is what we are discussing right? Back issues and key sales


Hopefully the new converts aren't all be like my 11 year old daughter. She can tell me everything that I don't already know about the MCU. She watched the MCU a second time in chronological order, faithfully watched WandaVision, and faithfully watches Falcon. When I show her the 50 year old first appearance of The Falcon (in Cap 117) she takes a moment to look it over, the way a Japanese Business man might show respect to your business card by staring at it briefly before handing it back to you.
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