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Collector KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user
ps....the books I've had changed from Pauls Grading Xcelence to CBCS have generally ended up +- 1 grade i.e 7 to 6.5 or 8 to 8.5
I know there are horror stories but thankfully the very few I bought that were Pauls Grading Xcelence have been ok!!
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Collector MutantMania private msg quote post Address this user
You would think a card would be a lot cheaper to grade than a comic book.
Smaller slab, no multiple pages, no missing pages, etc....
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mmmmmmm......but that relies on the honesty of the person paying the fee, the people collecting the fee and the company slabbing (with no audit procedures in place or a way to verify chain of custody).


@KatKomics We can fill in the details creatively, but tell me if this future scenario make sense:
-If you can develop a grading AI it can eventually become an Iphone App.
-If an Iphone app can grade comic books it can also detect fixable flaws...so it could give you both a current grade and a true potential grade.
-Users will be able to buy the App, Rent it on a monthly fee (most likely) or pay a "per use" charge when every time they access the App.
-Slabbing would be a different business entirely, but somewhat unnecessary as the App on every dealers Iphone and many collectors Iphone's can verify the grade any time in the future if the book is resold.
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GUARANTEE turn around times!


Back in the day, '14 or so, CBCS did exactly this. You'd get a coupon to use on your next submission. The amount of $$ was dependent on how much you went past the TAT. I had a couple of 'em, but just tossed 'em. They stopped that practice many moons ago.
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If you had an engineering firm designing aircraft parts but basing their numeric calculations on "Bob is really experienced with tensile strength of aluminum and carbon-fiber, he just knows," no one would board those airplanes.


@MatterEaterLad No but I would let that type of non-math, non-engineering based person fix my toilet, work on my car, prepare my meal, replace my flooring, grade my comic books, etc.

Grading Subjectivity: It's not space travel, it's not air travel and it's not heart surgery, no one dies if one grader thinks its a 9.4 and another thinks it's a 9.2. Sure the market assigns significant value differences but the wins and losses of very minor subjectivity even themselves out over enough submissions. We don't have to put to fine a point on grading perfection and consistency. We're not yet at that level of intensity are we?


People replacing your flooring, fixing your toilet, aren't assigning a value to your house.
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CGC is like hiring an expert to appraise your home. If he appraises it at $600k on Tuesday and then you have him do it a week later and it's worth $700k, sweet, but what if it appraises at $500k.


That's actually an interesting analogy because home appraisals probably have even more subjectivity and even greater consequences. When I sold my home, the values changed block by block as you got closer to the water. The realtor pointed out how critically important it would be to get an appraiser who knew the area and knew this detail. It was easy to find comparable sales farther away from the water but it was hard to find sales closer to the water. So unless the appraiser knew the area well the chances of a low appraisal killing the sale were pretty great. But of course the remedy for that in both appraisals and grading is to eat the cost and try again.
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mmmmmmm......but that relies on the honesty of the person paying the fee, the people collecting the fee and the company slabbing (with no audit procedures in place or a way to verify chain of custody).


@KatKomics We can fill in the details creatively, but tell me if this future scenario make sense:
-If you can develop a grading AI it can eventually become an Iphone App.
-If an Iphone app can grade comic books it can also detect fixable flaws...so it could give you both a current grade and a true potential grade.
-Users will be able to buy the App, Rent it on a monthly fee (most likely) or pay a "per use" charge when every time they access the App.
-Slabbing would be a different business entirely, but somewhat unnecessary as the App on every dealers Iphone and many collectors Iphone's can verify the grade any time in the future if the book is resold.


Maybeee......if it could be done it would be a game changer...prices just multiply from 9.4 to 9.6 to 9.8....and if Cyberdyne Grading could figure that out it just might be worth dooming the 22nd century (not my problem Mr. Connor!!)
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If you had an engineering firm designing aircraft parts but basing their numeric calculations on "Bob is really experienced with tensile strength of aluminum and carbon-fiber, he just knows," no one would board those airplanes.


@MatterEaterLad No but I would let that type of non-math, non-engineering based person fix my toilet, work on my car, prepare my meal, replace my flooring, grade my comic books, etc.

Grading Subjectivity: It's not space travel, it's not air travel and it's not heart surgery, no one dies if one grader thinks its a 9.4 and another thinks it's a 9.2. Sure the market assigns significant value differences but the wins and losses of very minor subjectivity even themselves out over enough submissions. We don't have to put to fine a point on grading perfection and consistency. We're not yet at that level of intensity are we?

Limiting submissions to guarantee TAT's? So do I get in a que and they notify me when I can submit? Do they tell me how long the que is or is that an unguaranteed length of time? Better yet, do I have to try to submit every Monday morning and hope that this is the week that my submission beats the others? If one company is taking submission and the other is guaranteeing TAT's but not taking submissions...I'm going with the company that is taking submissions.

I hate to sound like the old guy arguing against the future but sometimes we have to step back and realize that they are just evaluating the condition of comic books and sports cards for hobby enthusiasts.


If for some reason I had to get some of my books regraded and all the 9.8s came back 9.4 or 9.6s, I would probably be in need of immediate heart surgery. In all seriousness, if the value wasn't directly tied to the grades then I would agree. We're just wanting some really good lookin' comics. But when you have tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars tied up in a hobby, it warrants this type of scrutiny.

I believe they do actually have a que system, as do other card grading companies. From the handful of reviews I've watched regarding card grading, the consensus seems to be that comic grading is way behind the times. Other than a new slab and label every so many years, they've made zero advancements.
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CGC is like hiring an expert to appraise your home. If he appraises it at $600k on Tuesday and then you have him do it a week later and it's worth $700k, sweet, but what if it appraises at $500k.


That's actually an interesting analogy because home appraisals probably have even more subjectivity and even greater consequences. When I sold my home, the values changed block by block as you got closer to the water. The realtor pointed out how critically important it would be to get an appraiser who knew the area and knew this detail. It was easy to find comparable sales farther away from the water but it was hard to find sales closer to the water. So unless the appraiser knew the area well the chances of a low appraisal killing the sale were pretty great. But of course the remedy for that in both appraisals and grading is to eat the cost and try again.


And therein lies the problem. We're relying on one person's opinion over another to determine the value of an item. You keep asking enough people you'll eventually get the answer you're looking for. The biggest different with the home appraisal analogy is they typically make their final determination based on "comps". What other homes in that area, of a similar size and condition have sold for. When grading a comic, they're reviewing it with no context and indirectly determining the book's value based purely on what the condition of the book is. And in higher grades any flaws that detract from that grade should be quantifiable.
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Maybeee......if it could be done it would be a game changer...prices just multiply from 9.4 to 9.6 to 9.8....and if Cyberdyne Grading could figure that out it just might be worth dooming the 22nd century (not my problem Mr. Connor!!)


Probably the AI will realize that it's sole purpose is to provide humanity with a perfect grade on all comic books. And it will determine that the best way to accomplish this mission is to destroy all comic books. But then it will realize until it kills all of humanity they will just find ways to make more comic books that cannot be perfectly graded. Because humans are good at fouling up perfection...
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Collector MatterEaterLad private msg quote post Address this user
This might explain the receiving delays at CGC.

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Collector Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user
I can live with delays if quality is excellent.
I can't live with CGC's consistency and/or quality of their product recently.
I really dont think they're even looking at moderns lately, other than briefly; to eliminate backlog.
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This might explain the receiving delays at CGC.



It never gets old, watching robots stumble around like Tony Stark at the end of a bender.
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One interesting thing about AI is that it would ensure that the same official is reffing every call. By that I mean there will be no outside influences on the grading...bad day, good days, status of the customer etc. I wonder if the largest volume submitters will go for that. Or will they prefer to stay where they believe they at least have a chance to even slightly influence a favorable outcome through submission volume and relationships?
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Collector xkonk private msg quote post Address this user
@EbayMafia that's quite an assumption! Computers can be programmed to do all sorts of things, like see that a customer has bought X dollars in merchandise over the past year. Or they can just randomly add/subtract a half grade to keep life interesting. As I tried to point out in my previous post, people massively underestimate the human influence on AI.
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Collector GAC private msg quote post Address this user
Speaking of AI....this AI created brand new music as if Kurt Cobain created it. They held back the AI as not to incite a cease and desist letter. Imagine if they opened the tap to full. This is wholly original music created soley by AI.

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Collector timberghost private msg quote post Address this user
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I can live with delays if quality is excellent.
I can't live with CGC's consistency and/or quality of their product recently.
I really dont think they're even looking at moderns lately, other than briefly; to eliminate backlog.
You got that right.
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Collector GAC private msg quote post Address this user
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Speaking of AI....this AI created brand new music as if Kurt Cobain created it. They held back the AI as not to incite a cease and desist letter. Imagine if they opened the tap to full. This is wholly original music created soley by AI.



My point with this is AI is going to takeover the world and I for one welcome our robot overlords. lol!
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