Avengers #4...grade or not?14060
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Quote:Originally Posted by Redmisty4me As someone ever intrigued by the part personal/group bias plays in affecting human behavior, I wanted to weigh in further with advice for the OP. What we have so far in replies (other than mine) is what I call the Bible Study/Atheist Club Effect. If you ask a group heavily (& in some cases, literally) invested in a certain action/viewpoint what you should do in relation to that action/viewpoint, you will often simply have their chosen action/viewpoint supported in the affirmative. Thus if you ask a Bible Study group if you should embrace religion, they'll generally strongly encourage this, and if you ask an Atheist Club if you should embrace skepticism, they'll generally strongly encourage this. In this instance (as I have no interest in clarifying/expanding on my reasons for giving the advice I did), I would suggest that the OP take no one's advice as offered on this thread, but instead do the following... Take the book to a convention (whenever they start up for real again), and approach 7 or 8 dealers with a polite request for their advice. A third should have mostly slabbed books on their wall, a third should have mostly unslabbed books, and a third a mix of the two in order to receive what would (ideally) be the best range of opinions. Listen carefully to their advice, and then make your decision. Best of luck to you!  |
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 The apple sauce and pudding were the best part...
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| While that may be sound advice, slabbing a book is going to cost maybe 50 to 100 bux depending on if you press. Is it really worth polling folks at a convention for that small amount of money? I'm thinking there are better ways to spend time. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Bronte As I didn't want to get into my specifics on this book, I'd just generally respond that asking lots of questions is a very good idea if one wants to learn lots of stuff. |
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| There is a near-consensus on this forum for slabbing high dollar books and Keys. There is also a near consensus for pressing and cleaning before slabbing in most cases. But it's not based on some Dogma or irrational enthusiasm for slabbing. I have definitely seen threads here where the consensus was that the books did not have enough value to justify slabbing. Slabbing with a press/clean is probably going to cost $70 round trip for a single book. I see three reasons to do it: 1) The increase in selling price is highly likely to be greater than $70. Worst case scenario is that it's not. 2) The book becomes immediately liquid...you can sell it in a few days for near market value vs. putting it up raw on Ebay for 3 months and having every grifter the country trying to convince you that it's only worth $200. 3) It removes your uncertainty in the value and assures you that you aren't naively leaving $400 on the table when you sell it. As long as it's not slabbed, it has no established Fair Market Value. Once it's slabbed, the current FMV becomes obvious. |
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The apple sauce and pudding were the best part...
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| I agree with that completely. But in a way it seems like you disregard the opinions of the forum members for that of "experts" Forgive me if I misinterpreted your comments. I just feel that all options and opinions should be heard. Sometimes a novice opinion can be just as important as a professional. In the end we are talking about folks that love the hobby whether pro or novice.... |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Bronte @Bronte In this case I would even say that the amateur sellers opinion is more useful that the full-time dealers opinion. The dealer is accustomed to having many venues for selling his books and is able to get much closer to FMV for his raw books. He could easily dismiss the need for slabbing because he doesn't have the same need for the liquidity that it offers. We amateur sellers know how hard it is for someone who doesn't own a store or set up at conventions to get FMV for a raw book. |
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| @EbayMafia I would tend to agree with your comments. You figure also the dealer is going to be in it solely for the money. The average user injects a bit of humanity to the equation because of the fact the book has some sentimental properties... |
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| Here is a (holed) book that came graded from a collection I purchased. The 2 holes are not quite as noticeable as yours, but do go through. 4.0 from across the street, likely around 15 years ago or so. 3.0 is my guess. Absolutely do it.    |
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Hole punch you say? Seems as good a time as any to post this picture again (not my book) just to make folks uncomfortable  |
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Ouch!  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia No surprise if true. Ditto. You bring this up; I did not. Perceived core value is certainly one consideration. Okay. I see 3 reasons to ask for a variety of opinions: 1) Much will be learned before a penny is spent, all while the book presumably increases in value. 2) The book is already liquid & can be sold now; your scenario is suspect at best. 3) There is no uncertainty as to value; it's a book that will command a VG-ish price (or perhaps better) regardless. The idea that it must be slabbed to establish its value is frankly absurd, and your argument reinforces my bias example. The FMV is obvious now. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Bronte Assuming the above is directed at me & was being written as eBayMa posted... Excellent!  I'm not disregarding anything; I'm merely pointing out that learning as much as one can, and moving beyond echo chambers, is a good thing; there are certainly many experts here, but with a pronounced bias, hence my suggestion to the OP.You did a bit, but no prob - it happens. YES to the bolded! (All opinions SHOULD be heard, hence my advice to the OP to seek a variety of replies rather than the biased consensus offered here.) Of course, although there are many expert ideas offered in general on the forum, and many that I respect. Absolutely! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia It very much depends on the seller, hence the advice to seek out several con dealer opinions; it's likely that a few will stand out as best. It depends on the dealer. Hence the suggestion to seek many opinions, but your assumption is baseless. Do amateur sellers know this? (This may or may not be true of this forum's sellers, but it's especially baseless as a generality.) |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Bronte Wow - you guys must be having some bad experiences... I find many dealers to be remarkably generous and honest in sharing their opinions & good advice; I'm sorry if this hasn't been your experience. As to the average user (not sure who this might be, even here, as we have quite the range of folks), mileage may vary significantly; there are many people here (including you and eBayMa for instance) whose opinions I may disagree with strongly at times, but whose intelligence & thoughtfulness I respect, but a few others whose comments are not so impressive to me... |
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Quote:Originally Posted by doog VG-ish value (or more depending on scarcity/demand) regardless of slabbing or not. IMHO |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Redmisty4me @Redmisty4me A 3.0 color touched is in the $600 range and a 4.0 unrestored is in the $1,300 range. If you know the "obvious" FMV of this book then congratulations, you're way ahead of me. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia Color touched? (Wha? Not seeing relevance...) Thank you!  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Redmisty4me Well, the restoration check is part of what you pay for with slabbing...and part of the value when you sell a slabbed book online. We should return to the "April's a'comin" thread where you and I are in total agreement. Where your insights motivated me to get moving on selling off some of my post-1967 books before the world opens up again. Before the young collectors have more options for spending their money. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia Not a bad point, and should be included on the "PRO" list for slabbing, but it seems pretty unlikely on this lower grade book, and given the grade - and the holes & divot - not hugely relevant. Sounds good! Ditto! Indeed.  |
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| @MrNotSoNice Based on pics provided it will be around 2.5 Whether to get it graded or not depends on what you wish to use it for |
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka Oof! If that's correct, DEFINITELY not a book to have slabbed; even if cracked, that grade would follow it around forever... |
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| There are many reasons why someone should or should not slab a book. Reasons to slab: - restoration check (color touch, trimming, etc) - conservation check - impartial, professional grading - realized higher values when selling - higher physical protection to book - Graders notes: fairly detailed characteristics of book Reasons not to slab: - for your PC only - value of slabbed book is less than costs associated with slabbing - can't read book - can't smell book/paper I'm sure there's more for both lists. |
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| @GAC believe it or - cannot sniff the book (some ppl like the smell of the old paper - not kidding ) | ||
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| @MrNotSoNice An Avengers 4 CGC 2.5 sold for $1,130US on Feb 28. Definitely worth slabbing. | ||
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| @poka Ha! Yes, that's true...its a thing some collectors do. That's one for the Not to Slab column. | ||
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 If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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| @dielinfinite I knew there was a picture of a book like that and was searching the forum. You beat me to it, which makes sense since it's your book |
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonklol its not my book but it did leave an impression when I saw it |
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That's my book  |
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| That Sub-Mariner back cover is DISTURBING |
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