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Avengers #4...grade or not?14060

Collector MrNotSoNice private msg quote post Address this user
I have this kinda cool Avengers #4. Nice shape...EXCEPT for the two-hole punch! (Damn you kids!)

Should I slab it? What would be the grade? I am guessing the hole punch makes it top out as something like a 3.0 (maybe lower). Book also has a small chunk out of the top edge.

Bought this for $5 in the 60's just like my FF #5. If I don't slab it, maybe I'll read it in the bathtub while eating fried chicken.











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Collector Bronte private msg quote post Address this user
I personally would slab it. You figure folks buy single pages of a book....
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Collector xjagnew private msg quote post Address this user
Agreed, I would slab AND eat fried chicken.
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Collector ProdigalSon private msg quote post Address this user
just because of what it is.. KEY ISSUE, and at that age, other than the holes, it's not that bad of shape. I would DEFINITELY slab it!!!
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Collector DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
I would even have it pressed before getting it graded. Those plastic slabs make a lot of books look better. Everything is shiny.
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Collector KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user
Don't slab..is worthless...no one would want it....by the way my address is......
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Masculinity takes a holiday. EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by DrWatson
I would even have it pressed before getting it graded. Those plastic slabs make a lot of books look better. Everything is shiny.


Low grade does seem to be a lot more palatable once it's in a slab. I think low grade keys is one of the places where slabbing gives you the best return on investment.
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Collector GAC private msg quote post Address this user
be happy it's a 2 hole punch and not a 3 hole punch. Definitely slab...that's a pricey book even in lower grades. The book looks like a 5.5/6.0 maybe 6.5 range without the holes.
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Moderator Jesse_O private msg quote post Address this user
If I had a piece of a page that could positively be identified as from an Avengers 4, I'd get it graded!!!! That should make my opinion clear.
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Collector Redmisty4me private msg quote post Address this user
Were it high grade EXCEPT for the holes, slabbing might be a way to go, but collected wear in addition to that divot out at the top mean that you'll get a low (presumably qualified) grade - the worst of both worlds.

I don't see a benefit to slabbing.
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I'll probably wake up constipated. Pre_Coder private msg quote post Address this user
I agree with the comments above,... press and slab.

Press is not going to give a grade bump, but will make it more presentable. It is what it is.

And if you only paid $5 for it, then hell ya!
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Collector DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
Another reason I would get it graded is to prevent snagging those holes on something else and tearing the cover or any of the pages.
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Moderator Jesse_O private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by Redmisty4me
Were it high grade EXCEPT for the holes, slabbing might be a way to go, but collected wear in addition to that divot out at the top mean that you'll get a low (presumably qualified) grade - the worst of both worlds.

I don't see a benefit to slabbing.


CBCS doesn't do qualified grading. It would get the grade for the condition it is in, holes and all.
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Corrector CaptainCanuck private msg quote post Address this user
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Put it in here.


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Collector xkonk private msg quote post Address this user
Gocollect has a 0.5 copy at $400, and yours is better than a 0.5. For PC or selling, I'd slab it.
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Collector Amspider private msg quote post Address this user
If it’s a book you enjoy and are keeping Press and slab. Nice book
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Collector HulkSmash private msg quote post Address this user
With the small tear and holes; that book is in much nicer condition than other low grade keys we all see too often. Slab it. If it’s worth being in the PC it’s worth slabbing.

With inflation $5 in 1960 would be $44.19 today. If you decide you’re not happy with it I’ll give you $44.20😊
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Collector Redmisty4me private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by Jesse_O
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redmisty4me
Were it high grade EXCEPT for the holes, slabbing might be a way to go, but collected wear in addition to that divot out at the top mean that you'll get a low (presumably qualified) grade - the worst of both worlds.

I don't see a benefit to slabbing.


CBCS doesn't do qualified grading. It would get the grade for the condition it is in, holes and all.


Is the plan to use CBCS? (This wasn't articulated in the OP.) But whether CGC or CBCS, unwise to slab, and for the reason/s cited.
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Collector Redmisty4me private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck
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Put it in here.




That's the win!
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Collector RexMuff private msg quote post Address this user
Nice book sir, not bad for $5😳. Whether it’s for the PC or for sale, like everybody said, definitely get it graded. And with all that white, press&clean too. Absolutely worth the $
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Collector Joosh private msg quote post Address this user
Slab it! I slabbed my X-men 12 that appeared to have spent time in a wet dumpster; no regrets. 1.0

It’s a Silver Age Marvel superhero key, there is plenty of demand for those in low grades.
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Collector Jabberwookie private msg quote post Address this user
I agree with everyone else.

It might not be the best condition, but it’s a key, it’s silver age and it still has decent value.

Slabbing will, at the least, preserve that grade and, possibly, the value.

Nice book!
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Collector southerncross private msg quote post Address this user
2.0

lol it appears none of the posters above have books like this in their collection. And I think that is fantastic.

Why owners and dealers in the past price them to the point of giving them away.

I have 3 in my collection.

Crimesuspense 22
Strange tales 135
Journey into mystery 112

If any one has keys with punch holes you can sell them to me as poor's I'll get cbcs to put them in slabs with the numbers 2.0 on the case and I'll start flipping books for the first time.

👍
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Collector Redmisty4me private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by Jabberwookie
I agree with everyone else.

It might not be the best condition, but it’s a key, it’s silver age and it still has decent value.

Slabbing will, at the least, preserve that grade and, possibly, the value.

Nice book!


Not everyone else; a calm & reasonable voice of dissent has weighed in otherwise...
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Collector Redmisty4me private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by southerncross
2.0

lol it appears none of the posters above have books like this in their collection. And I think that is fantastic.

Why owners and dealers in the past price them to the point of giving them away.

I have 3 in my collection.

Crimesuspense 22
Strange tales 135
Journey into mystery 112

If any one has keys with punch holes you can sell them to me as poor's I'll get cbcs to put them in slabs with the numbers 2.0 on the case and I'll start flipping books for the first time.

👍


Books like this (if divot-free) are great, and as you say, potentially worth far more than the POOR value; I generally pay in the VG range if otherwise nice (aka divot-free).
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Collector Redmisty4me private msg quote post Address this user
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redmisty4me
Were it high grade EXCEPT for the holes, slabbing might be a way to go, but collected wear in addition to that divot out at the top mean that you'll get a low (presumably qualified) grade - the worst of both worlds.

I don't see a benefit to slabbing.


As someone ever intrigued by the part personal/group bias plays in affecting human behavior, I wanted to weigh in further with advice for the OP.

What we have so far in replies (other than mine) is what I call the Bible Study/Atheist Club Effect.

If you ask a group heavily (& in some cases, literally) invested in a certain action/viewpoint what you should do in relation to that action/viewpoint, you will often simply have their chosen action/viewpoint supported in the affirmative.

Thus if you ask a Bible Study group if you should embrace religion, they'll generally strongly encourage this, and if you ask an Atheist Club if you should embrace skepticism, they'll generally strongly encourage this.

In this instance (as I have no interest in clarifying/expanding on my reasons for giving the advice I did), I would suggest that the OP take no one's advice as offered on this thread, but instead do the following...

Take the book to a convention (whenever they start up for real again), and approach 7 or 8 dealers with a polite request for their advice.

A third should have mostly slabbed books on their wall, a third should have mostly unslabbed books, and a third a mix of the two in order to receive what would (ideally) be the best range of opinions.

Listen carefully to their advice, and then make your decision.

Best of luck to you!
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Collector Bronte private msg quote post Address this user
While that may be sound advice, slabbing a book is going to cost maybe 50 to 100 bux depending on if you press. Is it really worth polling folks at a convention for that small amount of money? I'm thinking there are better ways to spend time.
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Collector Redmisty4me private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by Bronte
While that may be sound advice, slabbing a book is going to cost maybe 50 to 100 bux depending on if you press. Is it really worth polling folks at a convention for that small amount of money? I'm thinking there are better ways to spend time.


As I didn't want to get into my specifics on this book, I'd just generally respond that asking lots of questions is a very good idea if one wants to learn lots of stuff.
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Masculinity takes a holiday. EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user
There is a near-consensus on this forum for slabbing high dollar books and Keys. There is also a near consensus for pressing and cleaning before slabbing in most cases. But it's not based on some Dogma or irrational enthusiasm for slabbing. I have definitely seen threads here where the consensus was that the books did not have enough value to justify slabbing.
Slabbing with a press/clean is probably going to cost $70 round trip for a single book. I see three reasons to do it:
1) The increase in selling price is highly likely to be greater than $70. Worst case scenario is that it's not.
2) The book becomes immediately liquid...you can sell it in a few days for near market value vs. putting it up raw on Ebay for 3 months and having every grifter the country trying to convince you that it's only worth $200.
3) It removes your uncertainty in the value and assures you that you aren't naively leaving $400 on the table when you sell it. As long as it's not slabbed, it has no established Fair Market Value. Once it's slabbed, the current FMV becomes obvious.
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Collector Bronte private msg quote post Address this user
I agree with that completely. But in a way it seems like you disregard the opinions of the forum members for that of "experts"

Forgive me if I misinterpreted your comments. I just feel that all options and opinions should be heard. Sometimes a novice opinion can be just as important as a professional. In the end we are talking about folks that love the hobby whether pro or novice....
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