Any ideas what Signed & "Live Rock" means on label14004
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no1lufcfan private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I’ve been going through my slabs and for the first time I noticed the Signed & "Live Rock" on the label. A goggle search does not show up anything.  |
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 If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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xkonk private msg quote post Address this user | |
| My google search came up with a couple things. Here's one: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/francesco-mattina/4040-55967/ Apparently Mattina sometimes signs 'live rock' along with (maybe instead of?) his signature. What does your book look like? | ||
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 I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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drchaos private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I am guessing that Mattina wrote the words "live rock" next to his signature. | ||
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dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by drchaos This is correct. If the book is inscribed then CBCS and CGC will include the inscription on the label, if space allows, I assume   |
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no1lufcfan private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Thanks for all the replies and info guys. Here's the slab and a blown up pic of sig which looks a right mess on this cover to be honest. Any ideas what Mattina actually means by Live Rock   |
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dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I’d assume something along the lines of “Live [the] Rock [and Roll life]” | ||
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Ginosdad private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Could it be he actually wrote something else and that’s just what it looked like? For example...Love Rick, good luck, etc..??? |
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 Thank you sir. May I have another?
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Quote:Originally Posted by dielinfinite To add a little more detail to this, and as your images showed, this is true if witnessed. IIRC, if it's a verified sig, the label will make note of any other writing or inscription (if there's room), but not that it's by the verified signer. My problem with that is if someone adds something after the fact, and if BAS can't determine who actually wrote it or when it was done, it gets a free pass on what should be "Writing On Cover" damage. Someone can write 3/1000 next to whatever sig they want, and possibly increase it's perceived value if listed. If I'm wrong CBCS, please say so, but I recall some high grade Verified slabs with unverified numbering. |
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teacha777 private msg quote post Address this user | |
When I got his signature at nycc 2018 I believe he added “live rock” to anything I guess that’s just his tag line no significance IMO |
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dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user | |
@Siggy Something like this, you mean? I’m not sure if this was necessarily unverified as it is a Dynamic Forces exclusive cover so it would’ve been a simple mater of checking that a run of that description was indeed signed. Personally it doesn’t bother me but the practice also extends to unwitnessed sketch covers where they can verify the signature but since they don’t verify art it isn’t attributed but it also does not count against the grade |
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Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Mattina basically signs everything with that motto..."Live Rock" sort of a personnal mantra of sorts | ||
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Thank you sir. May I have another?
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Siggy private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by dielinfinite That could be the one I was thinking. The penmanship of the numbers doesn't match the sigs, though that isn't necessarily surprising if it was an organized signing and an assistant handled that part. The thing is anything cans be added next a sig after the fact if extra money can, and it can get a free grading pass. Does it happen? No idea. How can anyone but the seller or OO? |
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dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Siggy I understand where the discomfort comes from but I also think CBCS took the lesser of two evils in this case and as long as the label reports the facts accurately and doesn’t attribute anything they can’t verify they have done their due diligence and the rest should be up to buyers to read and understand the labels and the book they are buying. That said, I don’t think a verified signature necessarily gives anything else a free pass. A sketch or an edition number make sense since they are common practice for signed items. I don’t have examples as these would be fairly specific but I doubt a book with a verified sig and random writing on the cover in crayon would get a free pass or a book with one verified and one unverified signature. |
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Frontier2Xterra private msg quote post Address this user | |
It's nothing more than part of his signature / remark.  |
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Siggy private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by dielinfinite But if any writing that is not a verified sig is not held against the grade, then in a way they are. Quote: Originally Posted by Frontier2Xterra I'm thinking more about the covers with writing that doesn't appear to have been written by the artist or writer, like the Punisher above. I have no personal concerns over this because I choose to not participate in this program- 'Witnessed' is the best bet for not being ripped off, though even it isn't 100% infallible. |
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dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by SiggyI don't think that something not being held against the grade is the same as them authenticating or attributing. It is simply understood among the community as a common practice on books of this cohort, not unlike date stamps on some older books which itself is controversial so I'd imagine no solution would make everyone happy. |
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