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Collector daredevilart private msg quote post Address this user
Clearly CBCS is light years ahead of CGC when it comes to graders notes, but when it comes to 9.8 books there's still usually nothing. Given that there are still two grades above 9.8 (regardless of their rarity), shouldn't 9.8 books have notes indicating what kept them from the ultimate grade?
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Collector DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
No. Silly rabbit, notes are for graders.
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Collector Jabberwookie private msg quote post Address this user
@daredevilart

I think you just asked a mouthful.

I know there are 9.9 and 10.0 grades, but for the most part 9.8 is the top grade, so I’d guess there are no notes.

However, I’ve always wondered what takes a 9.8 to those higher grades?

Is it especially cleaner? Corners more sharp?

I’m hoping one of our graders chimes in here.
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Collector MatterEaterLad private msg quote post Address this user
The defect on a 9.8 is usually obvious, like a slightly soft corner. But I agree, there has to be some kind of flaw to keep it from getting a higher grade. Might as well drop that in the notes.
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Collector Jabberwookie private msg quote post Address this user
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The defect on a 9.8 is usually obvious, like a slightly soft corner. But I agree, there has to be some kind of flaw to keep it from getting a higher grade. Might as well drop that in the notes.


That’s good to know.

I’ve always wondered and figured it was just a crapshoot at those grades.
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Collector Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user
Personally, I believe the 9.8 vs. 9.9/10.0 concept was created to keep the slab community customer base intensified, excited, and further embedded into the whole higher number lottery concept.

When was the last time humans can control their lottery urges?
Companies count on our basest inner failings to capitalize and keep the interest level high.
I give them the highest credit for recognizing that.

Brand new Trading cards can grade out at 10 PSA reasonably routinely, but new comics can only top out at 9.8 routinely?

I know I know - The experts truly can tell the difference. I stand corrected
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Collector Jabberwookie private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111
Personally, I believe the 9.8 vs. 9.9/10.0 concept was created to keep the slab community customer base intensified, excited, and further embedded into the whole higher number lottery concept.

When was the last time humans can control their lottery urges?
Companies count on our basest inner failings to capitalize and keep the interest level high.
I give them the highest credit for recognizing that.

Brand new Trading cards can grade out at 10 PSA reasonably routinely, but new comics can only top out at 9.8 routinely?

I know I know - The experts truly can tell the difference. I stand corrected


You articulated perfectly what I was trying to work through in my own head.

Now if I can ever get 10.0, I’ll be rap star rich....
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Collector monjoody private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by Jabberwookie
However, I’ve always wondered what takes a 9.8 to those higher grades?

Is it especially cleaner? Corners more sharp?

I’m hoping one of our graders chimes in here.


Maybe that's a better way of approaching this? As in, the 9.8 is the "mint standard" with no notes, but the 9.9 and 10.0 are the exemplary examples, and as such have notes to explain WHY.
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Collector DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
Grader's notes are not for the benefit of the consumer. They are for the benefit of the graders. They are a byproduct of the grading process. At least with CBCS, they are free for anyone to access.
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Collector monjoody private msg quote post Address this user
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Grader's notes are not for the benefit of the consumer. They are for the benefit of the graders. They are a byproduct of the grading process. At least with CBCS, they are free for anyone to access.


While I understand your point, the way that CBCS is marketing the grading notes on their front page makes it very clear they’re offering them as a benefit to the customer.

Your Books. Your Grades.



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Collector HulkSmash private msg quote post Address this user
@monjoody it’s a benefit in that you can view them for free.

9.8s have nothing to notate.

My theory on 9.9/10s being “exemplary” is comics achieve this grade with the absence of unavoidable production defects like bindery tears or the breaks in color on the spine edge made when it’s folded. 🤷🏻‍♂️
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Collector Scifinator private msg quote post Address this user
Some of my CBCS 9.8’s have had notes, but as it is the mint standard, i am fine without notes.
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Collector Terry88 private msg quote post Address this user
IMO, 9.9 and 10's are just lotteries to keep people coming back for grades. If something isn't a 10, there should absolutely be notes describing why it isn't. It should be easy. "it's not perfect, here's why..."

Something has to be keeping from that perfect condition, so it's very reasonable to want to know what that something is.
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Collector bennyb86 private msg quote post Address this user
Hmmmm.... Now i don't know if I just have "bad" 9.8 books or what but I have 6 that I found grader notes on so far

tiny bend near spine front cover
thin bends along top edge
tiny spine stress breaks color
tiny wear top & bottom spine
tiny surface wear top edge back cover
tiny wear top & bottom spine
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Collector DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
Notes are just that, notes. They are the Cliff Notes version of why your book received the grade it received. Stuff gets left out. The story isn't always complete, especially if its obvious to the graders. They are a side benefit and not a requirement. In layman's terms, the promotion of or selling of grader's note is an example of turning chicken shit into chicken salad.
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Collector EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user
I'm just a salesman always trying to spin everything into a positive for what I'm selling. So I liked getting 9.8's without grader notes when I sold on Ebay . I would put in the title "9.8 NO GRADER NOTES!!".
It's ok to laugh.
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Collector BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111
Personally, I believe the 9.8 vs. 9.9/10.0 concept was created to keep the slab community customer base intensified, excited, and further embedded into the whole higher number lottery concept.



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Originally Posted by Terry88
IMO, 9.9 and 10's are just lotteries to keep people coming back for grades.



I believe they are made up grades as well, used for Marketing and creating a Lottery mentality to keep people "Chasing the brass Ring"
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Collector EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944
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Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111
Personally, I believe the 9.8 vs. 9.9/10.0 concept was created to keep the slab community customer base intensified, excited, and further embedded into the whole higher number lottery concept.



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Originally Posted by Terry88
IMO, 9.9 and 10's are just lotteries to keep people coming back for grades.



I believe they are made up grades as well, used for Marketing and creating a Lottery mentality to keep people "Chasing the brass Ring"


Let's not forget also that 9.9 and 10's could be valuable rewards for high-volume loyal submitters. I'm not casting these assertions at CBCS...I have less faith in CGC.
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Collector monjoody private msg quote post Address this user
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Let's not forget also that 9.9 and 10's could be valuable rewards for high-volume loyal submitters. I'm not casting these assertions at CBCS...I have less faith in CGC.


That's one of those things that, if it was ever proven, could destroy a company's reputation.
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