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If I had 2 copies I would probably sell one but just having 1 copy I am too afraid that the prices may not go down. I really do not think these true blue chip keys will burst. Maybe a little market correction but nothing major. If a variant copy of UF4 can sell for 4k, I think the first appearance of several X-men will maintain if not increase in value. I bought my keys to keep anyway so I really haven't put too much thought into selling. If I sold them, I would only look to buy the book back at a higher grade anyway so I would probably break even I think the only book I want that might be out of reach would be an x-men 1. I could sell some books to get it but I would rather have several keys instead of just one. Just have to sell other things to get it.
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@Nuffsaid111

This kind of like what I see on the GoCollect blogs.

Basically, that jumps in prices are more that those comics were undervalued all this time.

I’m not sure what the right answer is, but it’s certainly helping my collection.
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@moodswing and there are tons out there, not like they are rare.

If you're buying to keep, so be it.

If you're buying for investment, lol
Better off putting it all on black at the casino 😂

Better odds, takes the uncertainty out 🤪


Yup.
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GSX 4.5 just sold for $3,033. These prices are spiking way too much too fast. As a collector who is not looking to sell this is troubling. The xmen are not even in the mcu yet.


Yup - the market is quite overheated...
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GSX 4.5 just sold for $3,033. These prices are spiking way too much too fast. As a collector who is not looking to sell this is troubling. The xmen are not even in the mcu yet.


Yup - the market is quite overheated...



While I agree with you, I do think we have to allow for the possibility that was undervalued previously.

And, if that’s true, it’s damn good to be in the hobby already.
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Back in 2019 I bought a Gxmen 1 cgc 2.5 for $800 in Australia, so about $600 U.S

Even a rise and fall I think I did ok getting it that late
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I just bought a “VF” raw copy on eBay for $10 we will see what I get


So I got Marvels greatest comics #94. Is does have a Harkness appearance though🤦🏻‍♂️
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I just saw a 9.4 Star Wars #1 offered for $1,000! Can these prices stay at close to these levels for very long? I am seriously thinking about selling off my #1, #2, and #3 while the prices are Skywalker-high! What is everyone else doing with these red-hot books? And if you do sell them, what would you buy, since it seems like every key book has blown up over the last year?

I saw that too and did a double-take.

Right now I'm holding. I'm not sure these prices will be going down any time soon. It feels like the price manipulation that's been rampant in the fine art world for decades has finally reached the collecting world.


3-4 years ago I bought a few Star Wars #1 raw, in trying to get a 9.8, which was too expensive for me. I didn't have any luck. When I came across a very nice 9.6, about two and a half years ago, for $350, I bought it. It was a little over priced at the time, maybe, but I was happy about it.

When I saw that prices on all things Star Wars - even more so than the rest of the collecting universe - were sky-high, I sold it. It was on Facebook Marketplace back in January, for $1100. I was very happy with that amount and still am. I plowed it back into more comics, mostly to sell, so it's okay if it's even higher now. That's the game.

Yeah, if I had a 9.8, I'd sell it now. Even if not to buy more salable comics. It will come back down, after the pandemic. Not to where it was, but not this high, either.

We are seeing a once-a-generation surge in the comic market. Sometimes - even often - comics will languish at the same price for many years in a row. Even in this market, some have crested and come back down. Venom #3 topped out around $450 and is now 30% lower. Thor #2 and #5 have been cut down to a third of what they were. Others, too.

I expect there will be a general correction at some point. Part of the drive of any bubble is how easy it is to make money. Investments become less cautious and easy money plows in. Once a few go bad, that easy money pulls out, and it encourages more dumping, etc.

But for now, I am trying (and mostly failing) to stick to the old collecting adage: if the price is too high for you to buy it, then you should sell the one you have. The only thing sweeter than buying at the low, is selling at the high.


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I was watching an amazing Spider-man 194 9.8 newsstand on ebay that just ended. I was floored by the final bid....


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@Bronte wow!
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Yeah. So much for my being able to afford another copy. But yeah, it seems like all books are just nuts in price. I don't see how the average Joe can really start collecting anything except moderns.
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Yeah. So much for my being able to afford another copy. But yeah, it seems like all books are just nuts in price. I don't see how the average Joe can really start collecting anything except moderns.


I can barely afford moderns
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I always pass out comics on Halloween. I'd usually buy a small collection or two over the year and then give away what at the time were dollar bin readers, like Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk, Marvel Team-Up (I think one year I gave away 6 copes of MTU 131). Kids LOVED getting comics.

Now a lot of those comics are worth a little bit. I wonder if any of those kids kept them?


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I would imagine that if the books characters are in movies or in the news, curiosity in this age will lead them to look to see how much they are "in theory" worth. Being stuck at home with nothing to do surely has some effect on folks digging into comics and investing.
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Things are so expensive I have focused on high grade magazines I think have cool covers (Vampirella, Savage Sword, Eerie etc). Still quite affordable, but there are not too many key magazines. Sadly I already have just about all those I want now.
Buy and hold is less fun than sell and buy, but the way things are it would be crazy to sell any keys. I am wondering now about the wisdom of selling high grade non keys of a certain age.
Haven’t resorted to 60’s Nazi torture bikini girl magazines yet, still have some standards, but it is obvious there are some comics I will never own, just not comfortable paying that much, so I need a new plan.
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A friend who collects vinyl bought some records last year for $500 each and just sold them for $1500.

The whole world is a bubble right now.
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So. Does anyone have any thoughts on what to speculate on right now? I recently noticed in another thread that Peggy Carter as captain America is actually a book. Exiles #3. In another thread, there is a TV show coming out as a what if Peggy Carter became captain America. I bought 5 copies in hopes it gets some love....
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So. Does anyone have any thoughts on what to speculate on right now?


@Bronte I hope it doesn't sound too crass when I say that I came to the realization yesterday that in my speculation I've been betting on Black for the most part. I just bought a bunch of raw copies of X-men 282 (Bishop) and then I saw that this week it moved to #38 on the GoCollect Hot Sellers list. Last week it was not in the top 1,000. I bought a second 9.6 of DC Presents 26, first New Teen Titans but most importantly first Cyborg. All year I've been buying the later series Firestorm #1 with first appearance of Jason Rousch for about $2 each. There has definitely been a pattern to my speculation. Guess I better add Falcon to the list also.
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So. Does anyone have any thoughts on what to speculate on right now? I recently noticed in another thread that Peggy Carter as captain America is actually a book. Exiles #3. In another thread, there is a TV show coming out as a what if Peggy Carter became captain America. I bought 5 copies in hopes it gets some love....


Legion of Superheroes are waaaaaay undervalued.

Though I might be biased
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Legion of Superheroes are waaaaaay undervalued.

Though I might be biased


I'm with you. If the desire existed, the right creative mind could put together an entire LSH Cinematic Universe. I've always thought that Lone Wolf/Timber Wolf had the most potential of all the Legion members...what say you @MatterEaterLad?
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Yeah. So much for my being able to afford another copy. But yeah, it seems like all books are just nuts in price. I don't see how the average Joe can really start collecting anything except moderns.

Holy crap! $2800 for a 9.8! Man, that's amazing. I sold my 9.6 a year ago (January) for $385. I wonder what that would fetch now? (It cost me $155 raw, plus $35 or so for pressing and grading, so I did alright. But man, I wish I could get some of these back now.)
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Yeah. So much for my being able to afford another copy. But yeah, it seems like all books are just nuts in price. I don't see how the average Joe can really start collecting anything except moderns.

Holy crap! $2800 for a 9.8! Man, that's amazing. I sold my 9.6 a year ago (January) for $385. I wonder what that would fetch now? (It cost me $155 raw, plus $35 or so for pressing and grading, so I did alright. But man, I wish I could get some of these back now.)


I feel like we are all getting the sense that something is not right with some of these public sales. Maybe even marketplace manipulation or 2 scammers bidding against each other, neither of which is actually going to pay with their own money. Is there any way of verifying that these sales were made to reputable buyers and they were completed successfully? Would we know if the sales were ultimately canceled or reported as fraud?
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I'm not familiar with betting on black. On Google it suggests gambling on roulette. But it doesn't say if its good or bad. Another reference was wesley snipe quote, but I think that was more a comment on his character vs winning or losing.

And if you are being crass, am I too dense to be offended?
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Holy crap! $2800 for a 9.8! Man, that's amazing. I sold my 9.6 a year ago (January) for $385. I wonder what that would fetch now? (It cost me $155 raw, plus $35 or so for pressing and grading, so I did alright. But man, I wish I could get some of these back now.)


I feel like we are all getting the sense that something is not right with some of these public sales. Maybe even marketplace manipulation or 2 scammers bidding against each other, neither of which is actually going to pay with their own money. Is there any way of verifying that these sales were made to reputable buyers and they were completed successfully? Would we know if the sales were ultimately canceled or reported as fraud?

Honestly, I don't worry a whole lot about fake sales like you are describing. I think it would either be too much work for too little payout (by creating fake accounts that never pay, and are ultimately removed from the data); or too expensive to do often (due to the 10% commission of eBay).

Anyway, I assume other people worry about it more, and are in a better position to do something about it. I assume eBay generally get most shill bidders, eventually, and remove their accounts, etc. Maybe that is naive, but it is easier than stressing over it.

I think most marketplaces work well 95% of the time, so I don't let myself worry beyond reasonable precautions about the 5% that don't.
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I have 6 copies of 194 i pressed last year from when I bought them in like 2003.... fortunately 2 came out to 9.8
1 newsstand 1 direct.
I was hoping to hit 7 copies total, but that ship has apparently sailed.
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I just saw a 9.4 Star Wars #1 offered for $1,000! Can these prices stay at close to these levels for very long? I am seriously thinking about selling off my #1, #2, and #3 while the prices are Skywalker-high! What is everyone else doing with these red-hot books? And if you do sell them, what would you buy, since it seems like every key book has blown up over the last year?

I saw that too and did a double-take.

Right now I'm holding. I'm not sure these prices will be going down any time soon. It feels like the price manipulation that's been rampant in the fine art world for decades has finally reached the collecting world.


3-4 years ago I bought a few Star Wars #1 raw, in trying to get a 9.8, which was too expensive for me. I didn't have any luck. When I came across a very nice 9.6, about two and a half years ago, for $350, I bought it. It was a little over priced at the time, maybe, but I was happy about it.

When I saw that prices on all things Star Wars - even more so than the rest of the collecting universe - were sky-high, I sold it. It was on Facebook Marketplace back in January, for $1100. I was very happy with that amount and still am. I plowed it back into more comics, mostly to sell, so it's okay if it's even higher now. That's the game.

Yeah, if I had a 9.8, I'd sell it now. Even if not to buy more salable comics. It will come back down, after the pandemic. Not to where it was, but not this high, either.

We are seeing a once-a-generation surge in the comic market. Sometimes - even often - comics will languish at the same price for many years in a row. Even in this market, some have crested and come back down. Venom #3 topped out around $450 and is now 30% lower. Thor #2 and #5 have been cut down to a third of what they were. Others, too.

I expect there will be a general correction at some point. Part of the drive of any bubble is how easy it is to make money. Investments become less cautious and easy money plows in. Once a few go bad, that easy money pulls out, and it encourages more dumping, etc.

But for now, I am trying (and mostly failing) to stick to the old collecting adage: if the price is too high for you to buy it, then you should sell the one you have. The only thing sweeter than buying at the low, is selling at the high.




This.
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I think most marketplaces work well 95% of the time, so I don't let myself worry beyond reasonable precautions about the 5% that don't.


@Tedsaid I agree in this case there is a consistent history of sales over $2,000 for 9.8's so I don't think this new high is anything out of the ordinary. Sometimes I will see a sale though that is so much more than anything else that it makes me wonder. Sometimes auction prices go well above available fixed price offerings. I see it more on Heritage than on Ebay though. The number of fraud/manipulation transactions may be small but I'm guessing the dollar amount of those types of transactions is exponentially greater than the 95% that are smooth.
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So. Does anyone have any thoughts on what to speculate on right now? I recently noticed in another thread that Peggy Carter as captain America is actually a book. Exiles #3. In another thread, there is a TV show coming out as a what if Peggy Carter became captain America. I bought 5 copies in hopes it gets some love....


Nothing printed after 1965.

Or better yet, nothing.

The market is wildly overheated, and that's not good for anybody.

Time to slow down.
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Holy crap! $2800 for a 9.8! Man, that's amazing. I sold my 9.6 a year ago (January) for $385. I wonder what that would fetch now? (It cost me $155 raw, plus $35 or so for pressing and grading, so I did alright. But man, I wish I could get some of these back now.)


I feel like we are all getting the sense that something is not right with some of these public sales. Maybe even marketplace manipulation or 2 scammers bidding against each other, neither of which is actually going to pay with their own money. Is there any way of verifying that these sales were made to reputable buyers and they were completed successfully? Would we know if the sales were ultimately canceled or reported as fraud?

Honestly, I don't worry a whole lot about fake sales like you are describing. I think it would either be too much work for too little payout (by creating fake accounts that never pay, and are ultimately removed from the data); or too expensive to do often (due to the 10% commission of eBay).

Anyway, I assume other people worry about it more, and are in a better position to do something about it. I assume eBay generally get most shill bidders, eventually, and remove their accounts, etc. Maybe that is naive, but it is easier than stressing over it.

I think most marketplaces work well 95% of the time, so I don't let myself worry beyond reasonable precautions about the 5% that don't.


Shill bidding is easier than ever on eBay (alas), and eBay has no real problem with it; for every shill account they remove, a replacement pops up almost immediately.

eBay is serious about going after shill bidding like OJ wants to find the *real killer.*
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You have a good point. I just packed a box of moderns to have graded. Maybe I can off load some of that stuff and get something silvery.....
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