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Once in a while a customer will try to tell me how my boss should run his company differently. I listen politely as they become convinced that their idea is incredibly important and they try to make a mountain out of a mole-hill. Sometimes they push it far enough that I tell them that we are the only local company in our industry that was around before the 2008 recession and still around after. A couple have gotten adamant enough that I remind them they are free to take their own life savings and start a company where they can make the rules and test their theories about what is important and what is not.
That's kind of where we are with you two. Enough criticizing.
Enough making mountains out of mole-hills. Maybe it's time to put everything you own at risk and start a comic book grading company that shows the world how to do it right.


That's funny, because that's exactly the attitude companies have right before new companies like Tesla or Shopify eat them for lunch. Also ironic that it's those little details that make all the difference between the new and the old companies, because those little details end up being a differentiators between new and old.

A company should always be open to new ideas especially when your base has an emotional attachment to the product that you're selling. People love comic books, otherwise we wouldn't go to the trouble of having them greater than spending ridiculous amounts of money for them.

If I didn't have a fondness for cbcs, I wouldn't give a shit what they do. I would just laugh at the fact that they're putting crap banner ads on all their pages and carry on.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
@mediaslave Having ads or not having ads on a website is inconsequential. It will deter no one from submitting or not submitting.
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I'm really worried about the future viability of CBCS, not gonna lie. They seem to be making bad decision after bad decision....first the yellow verified, now this?

I love you CBCS, you were my first graded book. But man...what are you DOING.


Listen, they are just testing the waters for their transition to their next round of premium label updates. These are gonna be sick, yo!




Once in a while a customer will try to tell me how my boss should run his company differently. I listen politely as they become convinced that their idea is incredibly important and they try to make a mountain out of a mole-hill. Sometimes they push it far enough that I tell them that we are the only local company in our industry that was around before the 2008 recession and still around after. A couple have gotten adamant enough that I remind them they are free to take their own life savings and start a company where they can make the rules and test their theories about what is important and what is not.
That's kind of where we are with you two. Enough criticizing.
Enough making mountains out of mole-hills. Maybe it's time to put everything you own at risk and start a comic book grading company that shows the world how to do it right.


I'm not just a customer, I'm literally a web-campaign / web-development professional who works at an advertising agency handling the websites for several international companies (all of which are worth more than CBCS, one having in $1.9 billion in assets I need to promote correctly online and have to stop them from suggesting such mistakes as this on a monthly basis).

CBCS started a company for grading, they shouldn't be taken to be experts in anything else and should think about what other professionals are saying about this. This simply looks like someone wanted to squeeze a few bucks out of an easy non-targeted ad script without figuring out if it made sense to both the bottom line and the future perception of the company as a whole. I don't need to start a new company to show em how its done, I have a company that exists to TELL them how its done so they don't have to worry about it and can focus on grading comics
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@mediaslave Having ads or not having ads on a website is inconsequential. It will deter no one from submitting or not submitting.


Are you basing out on extensive knowledge you have from the advertising industry? Cuz funny thousands of agencies all across the world would argue with you right now.

It just gives the guys who don't like cbcs one more thing to pick on. And considering how much Cgc dominates this industry over cbcs, the last thing they need to do is give their detractors more ammunition.
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As a side note, I was questioning the validity of banner ads being detrimental to a business home page. In my research, I found an article that basically was promoting YouTube advertising. But I found the page setup to actually be quite humorous. There is nothing like an article bashing banner ads on a website that has banner ads.





This is actually an excellent example, thank you for posting it. Notice the top banners (one for a youtube content and the other for 25% off) - those are good usages as they direct the users to relevant content created by the site (a youtube channel for the website, and then the store itself). The traffic is contained to their own channels/pages and can be tracked and monetized with full control. They are in essence really acting as giant navigation buttons to more branded & controlled content, and has been planned out as part of the user experience (not just stuck in and loading random stuff)

The Square ad in the lower right however, that is just plain old crap banner ad for monetary game which is standard for opinion/news sites or blogs, which the Drum does fall into (their revenue comes from this but then they pull extra from pushing items in their store). I'm sure this type of banner ad is what the article is talking about (and they would be correct).
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I'm not just a customer, I'm literally a web-campaign / web-development professional who works at an advertising agency handling the websites for several international companies (all of which are worth more than CBCS, one having in $1.9 billion in assets I need to promote correctly online and have to stop them from suggesting such mistakes as this on a monthly basis).


Many of us have been in positions of making decisions with big money and having relatively unlimited budgets. If one day you have your butt on the line without a safety net it may soften your perspective of what is mission-critical and what is not. When everything you own is on the line and the families of 20 employees are counting on you to make weekly payroll it can put things into different perspective. If a banner ad is a mistake, it's a survivable mistake. If a yellow signature label is a mistake, it's also a survivable mistake. Big companies often have the luxury of playing Chess and working long-term strategy, smaller companies typically have to settle for playing checkers and take the move that's available to them at the moment. When everything you have is on the line each week you learn that there is one mistake that really matters...the mistake of running out of money.
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That's funny, because that's exactly the attitude companies have right before new companies like Tesla or Shopify eat them for lunch. Also ironic that it's those little details that make all the difference between the new and the old companies, because those little details end up being a differentiators between new and old.


Yeah sure, and not caring enough about revenues and costs is exactly the attitude that some companies have right before they realize they're going to run out of money.
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I don't post often, and when I do it's usually a shitstorm and a half.

This is no different.

These ads reek of desperation. This is HUGELY unprofessional for a brand that's making even a half-assed attempt to appear legitimate. Look at this :




Can you imagine Audi doing this? Tag? Apple? Love the pic, but man what a horrific move on your brand's image.


I'm really worried about the future viability of CBCS, not gonna lie. They seem to be making bad decision after bad decision....first the yellow verified, now this?

I love you CBCS, you were my first graded book. But man...what are you DOING.


Exactly. One third of the entire page is an ad for pajamas. Nobody goes to this site to buy pajamas. The few pro places that DO sell ads (I am thinking of Heritage or GPA), are all curated banner or spot ads FOR THE COMIC INDUSTRY. The ads on CBCS are just bozo google ads for whatever rubbish you picked up a cookie for by accident. It's simply weary, tired and rude to drop on your customers.
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Anger, rage, foots in asses!
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We should have the forum rate our packages. HeinzDad private msg quote post Address this user
#Themainpagewithadsiseasilyavoidable. Oh wait, I’m not a web designer, my fault.
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Masculinity takes a holiday. EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user
My homepage doesn't have the ads for Mormon pajamas but it does have the more deceptive banner ad of "Promo Codes Available". It got me a couple days ago, right as I was clicking I thought "Oh shit, it's a banner ad" and I've been seeing it ever since. But it didn't make me reconsider my recent submissions to CBCS.
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We should have the forum rate our packages. HeinzDad private msg quote post Address this user
I just had to turn off my tv. Commercials were on.
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Keep your $6.87 bro... not even saving tax with that. Cli4dR3D0g private msg quote post Address this user
Same reason I don't use the internet... the ads outweigh the benefits of immediate information and/or services.
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Collector mediaslave private msg quote post Address this user
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I just had to turn off my tv. Commercials were on.


I'm just going to chalk up your responses to you thinking that you're funny, and not to you completely failing to miss the point here. :-)
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Keep your $6.87 bro... not even saving tax with that. Cli4dR3D0g private msg quote post Address this user
Has anyone considered the opinion of people that need pajamas? Where is that voice?
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I just had to turn off my tv. Commercials were on.


I'm just going to chalk up your responses to you thinking that you're funny, and not to you completely failing to miss the point here. :-)
I mean, it seems the same to me. Yeah I was trying to be funny but how is it different? Especially when you can turn on a blocker for the “commercial”?
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Has anyone considered the opinion of people that need pajamas? Where is that voice?
And I thought I was funny and cute.
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Keep your $6.87 bro... not even saving tax with that. Cli4dR3D0g private msg quote post Address this user
@HeinzDad Their voice is invisible, just like mine.
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I just had to turn off my tv. Commercials were on.


I'm just going to chalk up your responses to you thinking that you're funny, and not to you completely failing to miss the point here. :-)
I mean, it seems the same to me. Yeah I was trying to be funny but how is it different? Especially when you can turn on a blocker for the “commercial”?


The point isn't the commercial, it's not about the ad. It's about the mentality of wanting to put a banner ad on your website, and what that says about your brand.

Let's make a simple but perhaps not 100% accurate analogy. Let's say that I had a Porsche 911 Turbo. I had this thing dial do with aftermarket concave rims, stereo done, windows are tinted, engine is tuned and boosted, and the whole thing is just dial to the nines.

Now, that particular car says something. It's not practical, it's an absurd thing to buy, but it comes with an image. Now you can argue all day whether or not that's a douchebag image or whatever, but at the end of the day it is a high-end, Elite product that says something when you own it.

Now, take a big fucking sticker that advertises duct cleaning and stick it on my door. Now what is it say? Cheapens the entire car and makes it look like garbage. It also says whoever owns that car is an absolute tool. That's not quite a 100% accurate analogy here but it's close enough.

By putting this random banner ads on their homepage and on product pages, it reeks of desperation for income. It makes cbcs look like they're desperate for money. It also comes off as a very lowbrow, unprofessional move. As I said before you would never see a high-end branded company do anything like this. The worst you would see our ads that are either related content to the product being sold by the original company, or ads for additional products that that same company cell. But you are never going to go to Portia's website and see banner ads for pyjamas with ass flaps.

Now in my opinion cbcs is biggest problem is that they have always presented themselves as a lower-cost second-tier alternative to cgc, rather than as a direct competitor. That has everything to do with the image that they present. They have very little in the sense of memorable branding, the website pretty terrible, the labels are amateur at best. But I do think they do a great job in grading itself, and their cases are excellent. I've also had very good experiences with the cbcs guys, in particular Tim who was one of my favourite people at conventions.

Unfortunately putting that band Ratt on their homepage just makes them look more amateurish than before, and gives the people that do not like cbcs more ammunition to dislike them because their brand looks weaker again.

Does that make sense?
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I'm seeing something at the top of the home page, but if you click "read more" it goes away.

Don't many businesses use these, annoying as they are?


Where is my Mormon PJ ad?

All I'm seeing is a comic-related thing for Beckett which then morphs to a CBCS thing.

While I don't care passionately either way, I will weigh in to say that the ad at the top of the My eBay page is very annoying, and even more so when animated; I still remember when it first came into use years ago - drove me nuts, as you had to keep clicking down to access what you were on your own page for!

So I guess I can somewhat sympathize.
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I just had to turn off my tv. Commercials were on.


I'm just going to chalk up your responses to you thinking that you're funny, and not to you completely failing to miss the point here. :-)
I mean, it seems the same to me. Yeah I was trying to be funny but how is it different? Especially when you can turn on a blocker for the “commercial”?


The point isn't the commercial, it's not about the ad. It's about the mentality of wanting to put a banner ad on your website, and what that says about your brand.

Let's make a simple but perhaps not 100% accurate analogy. Let's say that I had a Porsche 911 Turbo. I had this thing dial do with aftermarket concave rims, stereo done, windows are tinted, engine is tuned and boosted, and the whole thing is just dial to the nines.

Now, that particular car says something. It's not practical, it's an absurd thing to buy, but it comes with an image. Now you can argue all day whether or not that's a douchebag image or whatever, but at the end of the day it is a high-end, Elite product that says something when you own it.

Now, take a big fucking sticker that advertises duct cleaning and stick it on my door. Now what is it say? Cheapens the entire car and makes it look like garbage. It also says whoever owns that car is an absolute tool. That's not quite a 100% accurate analogy here but it's close enough.

By putting this random banner ads on their homepage and on product pages, it reeks of desperation for income. It makes cbcs look like they're desperate for money. It also comes off as a very lowbrow, unprofessional move. As I said before you would never see a high-end branded company do anything like this. The worst you would see our ads that are either related content to the product being sold by the original company, or ads for additional products that that same company cell. But you are never going to go to Portia's website and see banner ads for pyjamas with ass flaps.

Now in my opinion cbcs is biggest problem is that they have always presented themselves as a lower-cost second-tier alternative to cgc, rather than as a direct competitor. That has everything to do with the image that they present. They have very little in the sense of memorable branding, the website pretty terrible, the labels are amateur at best. But I do think they do a great job in grading itself, and their cases are excellent. I've also had very good experiences with the cbcs guys, in particular Tim who was one of my favourite people at conventions.

Unfortunately putting that band Ratt on their homepage just makes them look more amateurish than before, and gives the people that do not like cbcs more ammunition to dislike them because their brand looks weaker again.

Does that make sense?

I’d like to ask right now that you don’t act like I’m dumb and ask “if that makes sense?”. Ignore it dude, don’t go to the website. I’d miss your blank sketch covers, trust me, they are beauty’s,but CBCS won’t miss your business. It’s 9:04 eastern and you are breaking out office insight on a comic forum. I guess I should find one I could rant about drywall on.

When you can not view something but choose to and complain it becomes confusing to me. Wait... I guess I don’t understand.
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It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors. chester15 private msg quote post Address this user
I went to the CBCS home page 14 months ago to find out more info and join. Haven't been back until today, when "forced" to check out the marauding banner ad there.

Don't go there - there's nothing there anyway. Get to the forum in any of the many other ways.
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I just had to turn off my tv. Commercials were on.


I'm just going to chalk up your responses to you thinking that you're funny, and not to you completely failing to miss the point here. :-)
I mean, it seems the same to me. Yeah I was trying to be funny but how is it different? Especially when you can turn on a blocker for the “commercial”?


Not to be too controversial but it is totally different. TV adds are there because those are what pay for the show you're watching or radio you're listening to. Now cable is a bit different as yes -you are also paying...but not as much as it costs to produce the shows you are consuming...

You don't get adds on streaming TV or digital radio because you are the one paying for the content.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
Modify your analogy....instead of a high end Porshe with a duct cleaning ad on the side to an average Chevy or Ford with a bumper sticker.

I don't consider CGC or CBCS as elitist services to comic collectors as a Porsche might be to automobile owners. I don't equate an ad at the top of the website the same as a plastered sticker on the side of a car.

This is about perspectives. You have yours and others have theirs.
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Let's make a simple but perhaps not 100% accurate analogy. Let's say that I had a Porsche 911 Turbo. I had this thing dial do with aftermarket concave rims, stereo done, windows are tinted, engine is tuned and boosted, and the whole thing is just dial to the nines.

Now, that particular car says something. It's not practical, it's an absurd thing to buy, but it comes with an image. Now you can argue all day whether or not that's a douchebag image or whatever, but at the end of the day it is a high-end, Elite product that says something when you own it.

Now, take a big fucking sticker that advertises duct cleaning and stick it on my door. Now what is it say? Cheapens the entire car and makes it look like garbage. It also says whoever owns that car is an absolute tool.


Maybe a few arrogant elitists might barf. But 999 out of 1000 of us common folk would look right through the sticker and say "cool freaking Porche".
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I, for one, am glad we've finally found the true source of division on the forum. Looking forward to a new sticky thread soon.
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@xkonk lol!!!
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