Is this CGC Forum seller out of line?13523
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Quote:Originally Posted by Paint_Monk ^This.^ Now that I see there were THREE threads about this when the first one should have just been deleted & the seller warned, it boggles my mind. Kooky. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by moodswing OMG! You cannot make the kooky over there up! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Redmisty4me There was the seller's initial complaint, and the buyer's response. What was the third? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Tedsaid Thanks for the link. If I understand both threads correctly (which I may have missed something), the $$$ spike that book made at HA happened after the transaction was made between buyer/seller. Yet the seller is making it appear that the buyer was acquiring the book simply to make a quick $$$ flip, when in actuality neither of them would have known the book's spike in value at the time. Someone please correct me if I'm reading this wrong. Again,... seems like a seller's pity party. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Tedsaid Oops - you said you didn't know if it continued in a third thread & I misread that as it continuing in a third thread. How even one thread was permitted boggles the mind; SO toxic. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Pre_Coder Yes, that is correct, and an excellent point. I don't think it occurred to anyone else yet that he couldn't plan on flipping the comic when he bought it, because it was a fair price. It was only after the HA auction that the price spiked. I guess that's all part of GG's spin, that he gave Nic a great deal as a "collector" who "lied" about wanting the book. |
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| . It appears seller is sore because of no mention in the “kudos” thread about the sale. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck You're right, no kudos was the sellers "smoking gun" evidence of nefarious behavior. He certainly managed to create an entire fictional narrative in his mind around that one thing. And at some point that fictional narrative just became indisputable reality from his perspective. |
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 Thank you sir. May I have another?
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Quote:Originally Posted by moodswing My guess; He was feeling seller's remorse immediately after your conversations, said as much around his wife who probably rolled her eyes and said, "So don't sell it." He agrees and and tells you it was her idea. |
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| Here's another good long read I came across over there about a seller on Ebay: https://www.cgccomics.com/boards/topic/480265-beatlebluecat-same-old-buy-cgc-graded-75-crack-and-sell-as-raw-nm-scam/#comments The OP might be right (and I'm pretty certain he is), but there's a pretty hefty amount of Wind-baggery and assumption going on in this thread. At some point a couple wind bags start to bump into each other and the accusations and defensive responses from the OP are instantaneous. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySeller They like to insult people over there a little too much. Lot of chest pumping and bluster. |
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| @Tedsaid From your comments in the thread I see this seller is the same guy you mentioned a while back asking for suggestions what to do about it. I think I may have dealt with him under a different Ebay name over 10 years ago. Like you, my blood started to boil when it came to light that what he did to me was not an accident but a business model. As I read on I can see that the OP is 100% right, he could do a little better job of fielding the early skeptics. He doesn't need to imply that anyone who questions his position might have a bad motive for doing so. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySeller Yep. It was a year and a half ago, or so; an X-Men #101 he said was a 9.2, but turned out to be a 7.0. But I wasn't posting to ask for suggestions; I'd already had the resolution at that point. (The credit card company found in my favor.) I was just posting here to tell what had happened. And, in fact, I took a lot of heat from some folks here who thought it was unreasonable to hold him responsible for grading a 7.0 book as a 9.2 because so much time had passed. I thought it was reasonable because: 1) he sells thousands of dollars worth of books every week, and so should be expert enough not to mistake a 7.0 for a 9.2; 2) he didn't disclose the defects in the listing; 3) I asked him how he would like to handle it, and he brushed me off, basically saying he refused to take any responsibility. But the main reason I did it that way was because I had had a previous experience on a big book just a year or two before. This was on a comic that was similarly over graded, but from a different seller. I received that comic and thought the grade was wrong. But I wasn't very confident in my skills yet. So I had two different LCS owners look at it, to get their opinions. They both felt as I did, that it was significantly over graded. I reached out to the seller and told him that. He said he could never take the word of two random comic store owners; it's too subjective. So I sent it in for grading. When it came back, months later, at the grade we thought it would be, he accepted that. The lesson I took from that was: you have to have it third-party graded first, before a seller will take your complaints seriously. So that experience colored what I should do in this case. Those here who thought I was being unreasonable said it was because I waited too long ... it took 4-5 months to send to my presser and then to get it graded. I reached out to the seller as soon as I found out the grade. But they still thought that was too long to hold him responsible. I understand their point, and in fact, I am very reluctant to go back to a seller at all. I buy hundreds of comics raw on eBay each year, and I have probably returned or complained about only six or eight. Perhaps not even that many. But in this case, the distance between what he said was the grade, and the real grade, was too far. And the other reasons as well ... I didn't like how he made one excuse after another, accusing my presser of switching books, saying I "altered" it, etc. Of course, none of us knew then it was, as you say, his business model, and that he was misrepresenting the grades on purpose. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySeller What was his eBay name back then? How did you connect the two? |
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| @Siggy He did the same thing to me twice. We never agreed on a price. I gave my initial offers and he said those were fair. He never took pics of the slabs or made a counter offer. One book was expensive the other would have definitely been less than 100. Basically wasted my time something he was adamant about when he contacted me about my wants. I told him to make sure he gets permission from his wife before he offers a book for sale. |
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| @moodswing probably didn't own the books in the first place. He just lonely and wanted to play ping pong with someone to pass the time with. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Tedsaid @Tedsaid I remember you did take heat here for pursuing a refund so late in the game...even from me. My scammer could be a different guy. My scammer was cdpaoli I believe also known as lexerific and All Things Comics. It was a long time ago but if you search them you can still find CGC board links that reference them. Here's what I did and what I suggest anyone do who has been scammed by this guy: Send him a message through Ebay that says "When we had a bad transaction 18 months ago I gave you the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure you've Googled your Ebay name recently and you know the situation. Now that you've been outed as a scammer it puts our conversation in a new light" Then go on to lay out your case and make threats that involve reporting to Ebay and USPS for mail fraud. This tactic got me a good sized refund when my scammer was outed. |
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