Is this CGC Forum seller out of line?13523
 Thank you sir. May I have another?
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| The main point I got from the seller is that he was annoyed with the apparently false story from the buyer about wanting it for their collection SO badly, and that he convinced him to sell the book that was previously for sale, but was no longer (I think something was said about him deciding to keep it[?]). The price was the same as the prior listing ($850), so the seller fortunately hasn't 'lost' anything, but when someone feels they've done a good deed for a person, and for the hobby/community, then learns it was all a story in order to get a book that can be flipped for more, it can really turn the seller off for doing something like that ever again, even when dealing with an honest buyer, and that ultimately is bad for the hobby. I mean, he flipped it on the same forum he got it less than a month later. And with SO MANY flippers out there likely increasing the frequency of this tactic, it's likely we'll see more and more jaded sellers. This kind of thing makes a community feel less than a community. IMO Greed can be ugly on many levels, even if no one is ripped off. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Siggy I couldn’t agree more with this. I think it’s why most of my stuff is for my collection. Would I sell? Yes, but only under certain circumstances. My personal collection is what I treasure most. These are my memories and my past and it’s not something I want to place a dollar amount on. |
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| I think the the main issue is the motivation on the buyers part wasn't equall to the story conveyed to the seller. Plus, we're talking about comics (or any beloved collectible). If this was about a used appliance or tires or dvd's etc. then we wouldn't even be aware it happened. I understand the sellers point of view for sure but he should also let it go. I wouldn't like it either if I was lied to. What if the buyer cracked it open and cut the book up for a project? Had the seller known that, he likely wouldn't have sold it. This is about false pretenses and a beloved commodity. |
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 It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors.
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| The buyer waited so long for that comic, and finally had it in his hands. And he had to stretch his dollars to get it. But...wait! He has a rare opportunity to get a Harrison Ford signature for only $1500??? During a pandemic when he is cash-strapped and home-schooling a couple of kids, and trying hard to keep a roof over their heads?? That POS comic has to go! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by AndyRexia Ask and ye shall receive --> |
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| I still want to see someone eat a comic. | ||
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| @AndyRexia lol!! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Tedsaid |
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| @Tedsaid Ha ha! That was my exact inspiration for that comment! “Eating candy like a Spaniard.” What??? Also, I think Comic Guys grading scale is off! |
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| And now that thread is locked. I wonder why? It didn't seem to get particularly heated. Anyway, there is still quite a bit of confusion about the issue. I think that is because the original post by GG was quite - let's be generous - misleading. GG said, "I will always give discounts, and pretty generous ones sometimes." He did not give a discount in this case; $850 was the advertised price in his own sales thread. GG said, "...and I will always try and accommodate someone." Some have interpreted the timed payments as an accommodation that only occurred because the buyer "really" wanted this comic. But timed payments was offered in the original sale thread. Anyway, the buyer sold some other comics and paid the balance almost immediately. GG said, "Had I known his only motivation was to make a fast buck at my expense I would have certainly asked for more, but I thought I was helping a fellow collector achieve some sort of goal." This is not true. The buyer, Nic, paid the asked-for price. This cannot be emphasized enough ... GG is implying that he offered a book for sale, but would refuse any offer that wasn't ... I dunno, meaningful enough, or something. Anyway, it turns out he was wrong about the motivation, too. Nic wanted the book for his PC. After he bought it, two things happened: 1) Heritage Auctions had a sale of the same book that increased the value by 50%; and 2) Another book, from the same run, came up for sale, and Nic wanted that one more than this one. So he sold this one - for a $400 profit - and immediately plowed that money into another, better comic. That is exactly what most collectors do, as they work to improve their PC over time. Anyway, the only thing I sort of agree with was using F&F for the down payment. That actually makes sense to me. The point of using PayPal payments is for the buyer protections. But the down payment was supposed to be non-refundable. F&F ensures it IS non-refundable. I wouldn't go that way myself. It violates PayPal's policy, which is a bad idea. And you can always add something in the sale terms to say it (the initial down payment) is non-refundable. Any future dispute would then be adjudicated with that in mind. But still, I get why it was done that way. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jabberwookie LOL, I know, right? That was the funniest bit. Was it just me, or was it hard to watch Comic Guy handle that comic, raw, with tongs? "No!! You'll hurt it that way! Get in in mylar, stat!" |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Siggy Yeah, that part was confusing. GG did a poor job of "quoting" the conversation. But what really happened is: GG mentioned, in the original FS post, that he had two other copies of this comic that were both lower grade. Nic, because he didn't have $850 at the moment, suggested buying one of those. GG was reluctant to sell one of those. So then Nic said, well, I can sell a few things and get the $850 to you soon. So they agreed to a down payment and "timed payment" for the balance of the $850 (no discount). Nic then sold some books and paid it off almost immediately. Here is the screenshot of the actual conversation:  |
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| . Selling means you are relinquishing any claim to ownership in exchange for money. The seller can’t tell a buyer what to do with the item, just as a buyer can’t tell the seller what to do with the money. It would be like the buyer starting a thread to lambaste the seller for spending the money on cocaine and hookers. Who cares what either does with the proceeds of the transaction!? |
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck This ofcourse is absolutely the correct answer.  |
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| Not all of us took a side ! | ||
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 If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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Seattle SuperSonics fans might disagree  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk shh |
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 Masculinity takes a holiday.
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| "I've been looking for this book a long time, do you have a lower grade copy for sale" If that is an attempt to manipulate the sellers emotion...well it's probably the weakest attempt in the history of emotional manipulation. The seller may well be one of the good guys but he wasn't in any way emotionally manipulated (or even asked for a discount) and if he doesn't back off that story soon he's going to be one of the lesser good guys. It's imagined, it's disparaging and it's wrong. If the HA auction had ended at $750 the buyer would likely still own the book. But the HA auction ended at $1,350 and that changed the whole dynamic, plain and simple. There's a saying amongst investors that Every day you are either a buyer or a seller. Meaning that if you choose not to sell a $1,200 book it's the same as choosing to buy it. The guy was a collector at $800, he was a seller at $1,200...there's nothing nefarious about it. I have often bought books with no intention of selling but a change in market conditions or personal conditions made me a seller much quicker than I would have planned. |
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| One thing I said over there in the locked thread was something alone the following: Why would anyone let a seller know how BADLY they NEED something. You don't have to be a jerk and try to make the seller think that you are doing the seller a favor by even expressing interest, but there is something to be said for playing your cards close. I have told sellers that something was meaningful to me but only after the piece was paid for and in hand. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Buzzetta @Buzzetta I understand your thinking, and the Poker analogy certainly applies in many situations. But there are also a number of more personal dealers who are open to the idea of making a friend or long-term customer by doing a favor. And if you're hoping to get something for significantly under market value, finding and appealing to that type of dealer probably is the route that would be most likely to succeed. But I don't think that was at all what went on in this case. Now if he had said "for my dying brother"... |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySeller I'm not sure ... when I'm selling something, and a potential buyer plays the studied non-interest card, my gut is usually telling me: Boy, this guy REALLY wants this comic. |
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| I've learned that if you want the best from someone else then you should try to give them your best. If you want best pricing, then offer them best Terms and Conditions. Pay cash, pay immediately, be loyal, look to buy more than 1 item at a time. Personally I'm more relationship oriented, if someone tried to buy a key by pretending lack of interest that would be a bad starting point with me. If they gush all over it and praise me for owning a copy, I would be much more open to negotiating with that person. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySeller I try to remember this, but it's hard ... so many books in my PC, I would not pay what they are worth, but I love owning them at the higher valuation. I LIKE the fact that I bought a dollar for fifty cents. That is part of the thrill, I think. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Tedsaid lol, well then you would probably prefer the gamblers saying to the investors saying..."There's nothing quite as enjoyable as playing with the casino's money". Don't worry, I get trapped between the two sayings as well. |
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CGC Forum drama...  The biggest takeaway for me is that all those PMs were posted; not cool. But as noted, CGC Forum drama... |
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| @Redmisty4me Quote: Originally Posted by Redmisty4me Looks like “PM” stands for Public Message on the CGC forum. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck Yup. That place - oy. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Redmisty4me   |
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| If someone put me on public trial and then acted as a false witness I would post their PM's in a heartbeat to clear my name. | ||
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