Is this CGC Forum seller out of line?13523
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| Came across this dispute on CGC forum. I don't get why the board supports the seller. Maybe someone with more experience there can help me out. Seller claims the buyer negotiated in bad faith by making it personal but I don't see where the buyer ended up asking for anything more than a little extra time to pay. Time that he ultimately didn't even use: https://www.cgccomics.com/boards/topic/479781-its-very-disappointing-when-a-forumite-completely-deceives-you-to-make-a-fast-buck/?tab=comments#comment-11497900 |
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 I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie.
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| I read the first two pages. Summary: (1) The buyer negotiated a lower price of $850 shipped than the seller would have liked to part ways with the comic for. The seller felt that he was helping a fellow CGC forum member achieve his grail. (2) The seller found out the buyer flipped the comic for $1200 a few days after it was received, and to make matters worse, it was through the CGC forum. I'd be pissed if I sold on this forum at a substantial discount to someone I thought was after something for their personal collection only to find that they took advantage of my good nature and flipped it right in front of my eyes. |
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| @flanders I'm not sure if you got to the actual texts, but the buyer never asked for any discount and the seller never offered anything additional. The seller just said that his price includes international shipping. It's difficult to imagine that the buyer purchased with intentions of flipping. The opportunity to flip only came about after the purchase when a Heritage Auction significantly reset the market value of the book. At the time that the buyer purchased the book the last recorded sale was for about 1/3 of the price that the buyer was paying. All the buyer did was ask the seller if he would be interested in selling one of his lower grade copies. That resulted in the seller giving him extra time to pay for the copy that was listed for sale...but no discount from his asking price. |
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I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie.
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| @EbaySeller so to summarize: @flanders above summary is entirely inaccurate. This thread from the buyer helps clear things up: https://www.cgccomics.com/boards/topic/479912-in-reference-to-a-recent-scathing-post-about-me-by-g-g-%C2%AE/?tab=comments#comment-11502207 It's always good to hear both sides of the story. |
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| . A follow up thread explains that the buyer didn’t approach the seller “out of the blue”. The book was previously posted for sale on the Golden Age FS forum for $850 (shipped). The seller sold the book for asking price, what is the problem? |
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| what is this C?? G??? C???? thing you talk about.... | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by flanders lol, @flanders I think I have the advantage of reading the sellers response thread. I believe that's where the Heritage Auction and the timing gets mentioned. https://www.cgccomics.com/boards/topic/479912-in-reference-to-a-recent-scathing-post-about-me-by-g-g-%C2%AE/?tab=comments#comment-11502233 |
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| @EbaySeller . You may also have read it in the original thread. Apparently the buyer dropped some F-bombs in that original thread, his posts got removed and he got a 2 day holiday. |
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| @CaptainCanuck Looks to me like the seller is butt-hurt because he sold the book just before a Heritage auction that completely reset the market value. But no one could have known the results of that auction. On a thinly traded book you really can't blame even a sincere collector if they cash in when unexpected circumstances give them the opportunity for a quick 50% profit. His assertions that the seller used his love of the book as a way of negotiating a flip are completely unfounded. In my opinion it violates the commandment against Bearing False Witness. | ||
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| Yeah, I read it as he got his advertised price, the original $850. Maybe the seller threw in shipping for free? Hard to tell. The OP says he posted the whole conversation, but it sure doesn't seem complete to me. I'm with you ... not sure what the hell they are complaining about. The guy mentioned he'd been looking for the book for a long time, but not why. He doesn't give that story to get a discount, because no discount was given. (Or else, where did the original $850 price come from?) And a LOT of people jump to the conclusion, based on no evidence, that the guy bought it with the intention of flipping it. Which would be fine, based on the facts above. A little weird, to look for a book "for a long time" just so you can flip it. But still fine. I've been looking for a lot of books that I know I can sell. If I've been "looking for X" then I'll say that. If I've been "looking for X for my PC," then I'll say that, which is different than the first thing. Regardless, we don't know he intended to flip it when he bought it. Maybe when he got it, and owned it for a couple weeks, he wasn't as thrilled to own it as he thought he would be. So he sold it. Maybe he just got too good a price for it, and couldn't justify keeping it. Maybe he actually did come across a grail, and he had to sell to buy the one he wanted more. Maybe he dog got sick and he needed money for the vet bills. All sorts of reasons. Anyway, I don't think we have the full story. I don't even know what book it was, or where it was offered for sale. I don't mess around with those boards very often ... I don't like the interface, and don't know the folks over there. |
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| FYI, I hadn't caught up here, or read the buyer's post, when I wrote the above. I'll go read that now. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Tedsaid @Tedsaid Apparently shortly after he got it there was a Heritage Auction that reset the public sales information from something like $450 to $1250. So that created an opportunity for him to cash in within 30 days of buying it. |
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 It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors.
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| Yeah, it's a bit confusing. Looks to me like the book was for sale for $850. Buyer says he's been looking for one for forever, but it's out of his range, maybe could buy one of the seller's lower grade copies. Then we don't hear about the lower grade copies at all, and the $850 book is back in play, still at $850. The buyer didn't have that much, asked for more time, with a $250 deposit (sent F&F!). Seller agreed, and almost immediately the buyer has the rest of the money, says a book sold (yeah, he found a buyer for the book he was about to buy!). Then he paid the rest. Admittedly it seems like the seller was helping the buyer get a long-awaited grail. But there sure wasn't a lot of urging on the buyer's end. And the buyer seems to have paid the full asking price. He probably made a connection - had someone in mind for the book, knew they were willing to pay up. So mentioning how it was his heart's desire might have been laying it on a bit thick. Or as @EbaySeller says, the book soared up(?) and the buyer reacted to that. It seems like the conversation is a bit thin, like more dialogue may have taken place and omitted as "not so important". SUDDENLY having the money seemed a bit convenient, too, like the buyer was afraid to lose the deal by waiting. More questions than answers here. |
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| @chester15 If the buyer had privately found someone to sell it to before his purchase, I don't think he would have relisted it on the CGC board a month later. That's what got the seller so butt-hurt, is that a month later it was listed and resold on the CGC forum. From what I can piece together the Heritage Auction was October 12 and the Forum resell was October 21st. |
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It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors.
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| That's true. I forgot that it was later listed on the forum, or the seller would not even know. But the instant sale of a book that funded it seems fishy. | ||
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It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors.
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| Here's the other side of the story from the buyer: clickable text | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by chester15 That confused me at first, too. The OP, he said "The buyer's words are in bold," but some of his own words were bolded, too. That was sloppy, and made it hard to follow the conversation. So then I read the screenshot that the buyer posted, the one in the second thread. That cleared it up some. You just have to read it as a continuous, one-time convo. It went like this: N: I don't have $850. How about I buy a lower grade? G: Maybe, let me think about it. N: Well, I could instead sell a few books, get the money that way. Can I put a deposit down on this one, and pay the full $850 price in a week or so? G: Okay, that sounds good. F&F for the deposit, because it is non-refundable. And that's it! The mention of the other comics was brief ... a way to deal with not enough cash. Selling other books was a different way to deal with not enough cash. In the end, that's the one they both agreed to. I just posted over there. A LOT of people got upset on the OP, and it just doesn't make any sense to me. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by chester15 @chester15 I just figure the guy intended to pay for it from comic book sales but decided to dig into money that he had all along but wasn't planning to spend on comic books. @Tedsaid Read your posts there, everything you said is correct, will be interesting to see how much pushback you get. Once people get emotionally entrenched in a good guy/bad guy issue it's hard for them to accept the idea of changing direction. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySeller Oh that is SO true. And in fact, in the past, I have been particularly surprised at how quickly folks over there jump to conclusions and pile on. This isn't the first time I've seen it happen. It is a definitely tendency, on the CGC boards. |
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| I guess I feel like once you sell something, it’s no longer yours. I don’t understand being upset what happens to it after- unless a guy unslabbed it and ate it in front of you. But, I’ve always been leery of the CGC boards. There seem to be too many of the stereotypical “comic book guy,” like from the Simpsons. You know, stuck too much in fantasy, but with a massive superiority complex. One of the many reasons, I’m here. |
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 You do know that the new guy brings the donuts, right?
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Quote:Originally Posted by Tedsaid Years ago, before CBCS existed, I used to spend time on the CGC boards, although I wasn't as involved as I have been here. What @Tedsaid described was the main reason I stopped hanging out there. While it never happened directly to me, it seemed to happen to others far too often and, many times, the issue being discussed seemed fairly minor. It just seemed to be a very caustic environment. Once in a while, I get the urge to go back and revisit. I know that many (most?) of the larger dealers hang out over there. But then I think about this type of unpleasantness and I never end up going. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jabberwookie That would be hilarious. Reminds me of the movie Red Dragon. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySeller "Friendship". You gotta remember that there are cliques over there that will let their bias completely cloud their judgment. To be fair, I like GG, but it's tough to support a story when you've only heard 1 side. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jabberwookie It really depends on the circumstance, and authenticity of people involved. I've certainly been able to shake some fair deals because I offered my "maximum budget, for personal collection". I have not gone back on my word, either. In this case, though, the buyer did not orchestrate a special deal. Book was listed, and book was sold at asking price. Selling comics to comic people should be encouraged, because it helps circulate products to people who actually want them. It helps reduce inflation, which greedy people will certainly dislike. I am all-for removing the most amount of greed that we can from the hobby. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus Fair enough. We will be selling our house soon and I’m going to do my best to sell it to a family rather a person who will rent it out. Now, if I get lied to, and they rent it, I’ll be annoyed, but it isn’t my house anymore, so I’ll just move on. Communication seems to be the key. If it was communicated in some way he was getting a “board” price, then I could see some unhappiness over someone flipping it for a profit. |
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 Thank you sir. May I have another?
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| The main point I got from the seller is that he was annoyed with the apparently false story from the buyer about wanting it for their collection SO badly, and that he convinced him to sell the book that was previously for sale, but was no longer (I think something was said about him deciding to keep it[?]). The price was the same as the prior listing ($850), so the seller fortunately hasn't 'lost' anything, but when someone feels they've done a good deed for a person, and for the hobby/community, then learns it was all a story in order to get a book that can be flipped for more, it can really turn the seller off for doing something like that ever again, even when dealing with an honest buyer, and that ultimately is bad for the hobby. I mean, he flipped it on the same forum he got it less than a month later. And with SO MANY flippers out there likely increasing the frequency of this tactic, it's likely we'll see more and more jaded sellers. This kind of thing makes a community feel less than a community. IMO Greed can be ugly on many levels, even if no one is ripped off. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Siggy I couldn’t agree more with this. I think it’s why most of my stuff is for my collection. Would I sell? Yes, but only under certain circumstances. My personal collection is what I treasure most. These are my memories and my past and it’s not something I want to place a dollar amount on. |
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| I think the the main issue is the motivation on the buyers part wasn't equall to the story conveyed to the seller. Plus, we're talking about comics (or any beloved collectible). If this was about a used appliance or tires or dvd's etc. then we wouldn't even be aware it happened. I understand the sellers point of view for sure but he should also let it go. I wouldn't like it either if I was lied to. What if the buyer cracked it open and cut the book up for a project? Had the seller known that, he likely wouldn't have sold it. This is about false pretenses and a beloved commodity. |
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It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors.
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| The buyer waited so long for that comic, and finally had it in his hands. And he had to stretch his dollars to get it. But...wait! He has a rare opportunity to get a Harrison Ford signature for only $1500??? During a pandemic when he is cash-strapped and home-schooling a couple of kids, and trying hard to keep a roof over their heads?? That POS comic has to go! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by AndyRexia Ask and ye shall receive --> |
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