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The apple sauce and pudding were the best part... Bronte private msg quote post Address this user
But out of the thousands of covers of different books, why tempt fate with a political cover?

After the warning, common sense should say skip it. If not you take the suspension, apologize and learn from your mistake.
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But out of the thousands of covers of different books, why tempt fate with a political cover?


It could start innocently with a post in "What's new to your collection?"
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The apple sauce and pudding were the best part... Bronte private msg quote post Address this user
I made what I thought was an innocent remark and I got a 1 week suspension. I apologized to the moderator and took the suspension without argument and I carry on being more mindful on what I choose to say and participate in.

If a person chooses to enter a grey area that is a risk they take. If they get burned then just like a child touching a hot stove they learn consequence. If they are incapable of learning, then they dont need to be participating in my opinion.

There isn't a law forcing folks to comment even if the cover is politically tinged. Im told even a child can learn not to be blatantly honest about the overweight stranger or homeless gentleman. I've seen plenty of covers I find "questionable", I skip over it and go check on the ones I do like. Hell there are conversations I find rude racist or just offensive. I step past it. Its part of being an adult.
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I made what I thought was an innocent remark and I got a 1 week suspension. I apologized to the moderator and took the suspension without argument and I carry on being more mindful on what I choose to say and participate in.

If a person chooses to enter a grey area that is a risk they take. If they get burned then just like a child touching a hot stove they learn consequence. If they are incapable of learning, then they dont need to be participating in my opinion.

There isn't a law forcing folks to comment even if the cover is politically tinged. Im told even a child can learn not to be blatantly honest about the overweight stranger or homeless gentleman. I've seen plenty of covers I find "questionable", I skip over it and go check on the ones I do like. Hell there are conversations I find rude racist or just offensive. I step past it. Its part of being an adult.


I agree, but there is always "that person" who can't resist once a gray area opens the door. The late ConditionFreak was that kind of person. He got a time out every time iirc- He just couldn't not post.
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In four years some people are gonna have a hard time. There's always someone who just can't resist and it's the gray areas where it usually starts, like if someone wants to discuss the ASM Obama cover. I know absolutely zip about what happens between the covers, so I don't know how political it gets, but just having him, or any former president on a cover can open the door.


That’s why I asked and have not gotten an answer.

When in doubt leave it out and do without.
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The apple sauce and pudding were the best part... Bronte private msg quote post Address this user
If I recall correctly, condition freak is no longer allowed to post. He learned his lesson the hard way.

I don't want to sound insensitive and I don't know the guy from Adam but...


Problem was solved.

Rules are made to be followed. We are guests on this forum. When we choose to track mud in these folks' carpet, there has to be consequences.
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If I could, I would. I swear. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
Didn't he pass away or was that someone else?
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@DrWatson That was the information posted on Facebook. Somebody here posted it on this or another forum. Something him deciding not to go through any further treatment.
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I made what I thought was an innocent remark and I got a 1 week suspension. I apologized to the moderator and took the suspension without argument and I carry on being more mindful on what I choose to say and participate in.

If a person chooses to enter a grey area that is a risk they take. If they get burned then just like a child touching a hot stove they learn consequence. If they are incapable of learning, then they dont need to be participating in my opinion.

There isn't a law forcing folks to comment even if the cover is politically tinged. Im told even a child can learn not to be blatantly honest about the overweight stranger or homeless gentleman. I've seen plenty of covers I find "questionable", I skip over it and go check on the ones I do like. Hell there are conversations I find rude racist or just offensive. I step past it. Its part of being an adult.


I think as long as the rule is a hard rule then people will stay away from it. When it gets ruled one way one time and another way another time is when people begin to question what is and what isn't OK.

Over on the CGC Boards they tend to let things slide a great deal if political comments lean one way over another. That isn't right and reveals poor moderation. There is an entire thread over there that shouldn't exist under their rules but for some unknown reason the moderation allows it to continue.
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Sometimes I think back to the "old days"... like a couple years ago. It was the wild wild west on this forum.
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Masculinity takes a holiday. EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user
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I'm definitely happy with this... very happy.
My lone caveat burning in my gut - there's always that gray area, particularly with comics.
And it's the gray area that worries me; not the black & white.


To your point, today I started reading the TPB Civil War Frontline. Any discussion of a storyline like that is going to invariably delve into political issues, I think we saw exactly that here a couple months ago. I'm not big on reporting posts, but I guess the best practice in these cases would be to report rather than respond.
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I'm definitely happy with this... very happy.
My lone caveat burning in my gut - there's always that gray area, particularly with comics.
And it's the gray area that worries me; not the black & white.


To your point, today I started reading the TPB Civil War Frontline. Any discussion of a storyline like that is going to invariably delve into political issues, I think we saw exactly that here a couple months ago. I'm not big on reporting posts, but I guess the best practice in these cases would be to report rather than respond.

It should be fine as long as it doesn't connect directly to the real world. But in the end, it's like porn - you know it when you film it. Or something like that.

FYI, I thought 'no politics' was already a rule? Haven't people been to banned camp for that in the past?

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If I recall correctly, condition freak is no longer allowed to post. He learned his lesson the hard way.

FYI, he passed away a couple years ago. But yeah, it was a pretty serious ban ... that is, one ban that he didn't agree with, and he came back immediately to complain, until it was a permanent ban, as I recall.
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In four years some people are gonna have a hard time. There's always someone who just can't resist and it's the gray areas where it usually starts, like if someone wants to discuss the ASM Obama cover. I know absolutely zip about what happens between the covers, so I don't know how political it gets, but just having him, or any former president on a cover can open the door.


Trust me, you did not miss anything. And my reply is not political.
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Comic books are more fun than politics!


Steve Borock for President!

Oops.... Is that political??

I meant President of CBCS
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In four years some people are gonna have a hard time. There's always someone who just can't resist and it's the gray areas where it usually starts, like if someone wants to discuss the ASM Obama cover. I know absolutely zip about what happens between the covers, so I don't know how political it gets, but just having him, or any former president on a cover can open the door.


I collect books with Presidents on the cover and to a lesser degree just appearing inside the book. . A President is a President. Comic books with Presidents or Presidential candidates or particularly notable members of say the Senate (Barry Goldwater for instance) are not in and of themselves "political".

Arguing about that president's beliefs and policies makes it political. But Presidents have appeared on the cover and in the interior of comic books for many, many decades. Obama on the cover of ASM has been mentioned, Reagan on the cover of Bullwinkle 4 has not. I have both. I wouldn't discuss here whether I voted for them or what policies I liked/disliked. That's political. But both are comic books and I think both have great covers.
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never mind
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I’ll drink to that!
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I collect books with Presidents on the cover and to a lesser degree just appearing inside the book. . A President is a President. Comic books with Presidents or Presidential candidates or particularly notable members of say the Senate (Barry Goldwater for instance) are not in and of themselves "political".

Arguing about that president's beliefs and policies makes it political. But Presidents have appeared on the cover and in the interior of comic books for many, many decades. Obama on the cover of ASM has been mentioned, Reagan on the cover of Bullwinkle 4 has not. I have both. I wouldn't discuss here whether I voted for them or what policies I liked/disliked. That's political. But both are comic books and I think both have great covers.

I absolutely agree. Talking about, for example, the inauguration coming up is not political; it's just ... secular, for want of a better word. An event. And an important event, as far as the country is concerned. But saying "the right person won," or "I'm going to boycott it because of X" would be political: i.e., controversial and partisan.

Maybe "no partisan posts" would be a better way to say it? Not sure. Technically, everything is politics ... "The art of managing competing interests and scarce resources." For example, the phrase "office politics" is likely not what is meant here. But "politics" is an ill-defined word. We tend to think it means anything to do with politicians, though that's not really true.
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I collect books with Presidents on the cover and to a lesser degree just appearing inside the book. . A President is a President. Comic books with Presidents or Presidential candidates or particularly notable members of say the Senate (Barry Goldwater for instance) are not in and of themselves "political".

Arguing about that president's beliefs and policies makes it political. But Presidents have appeared on the cover and in the interior of comic books for many, many decades. Obama on the cover of ASM has been mentioned, Reagan on the cover of Bullwinkle 4 has not. I have both. I wouldn't discuss here whether I voted for them or what policies I liked/disliked. That's political. But both are comic books and I think both have great covers.

I absolutely agree. Talking about, for example, the inauguration coming up is not political; it's just ... secular, for want of a better word. An event. And an important event, as far as the country is concerned. But saying "the right person won," or "I'm going to boycott it because of X" would be political: i.e., controversial and partisan.

Maybe "no partisan posts" would be a better way to say it? Not sure. Technically, everything is politics ... "The art of managing competing interests and scarce resources." For example, the phrase "office politics" is likely not what is meant here. But "politics" is an ill-defined word. We tend to think it means anything to do with politicians, though that's not really true.


I more or less agree with you here. It’s definitely more the partisan nature of everything these days.

It why social media is a cesspool of anger and misinformation. Sadly, just a mention or image of President X is enough to enrage someone to the point they can’t control their fingers.

I’ve had get rid of friends, not because I disagree with them politically, but because they lose all sense of personal responsibility and common sense and go off on anger-filled tirades.

If the goal is to eliminate that from a forum on comics, then I’m pretty fine with it and I trust our admins to do the right thing.

If they don’t, I go somewhere else.

At the same time, I much prefer that CBCS takes an active stance in moderating their forums.

It would be like opening some kind gathering place for people, then gangs move in and start bothering the customers.

The business can do nothing and suffer the consequences or do it’s duty to provide a safe place for people to go.

Most online forums choose the first option.

I’m glad CBCS has chosen the second.

It’s allowed me to chat with a lot of great people.
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I collect books with Presidents on the cover and to a lesser degree just appearing inside the book. . A President is a President. Comic books with Presidents or Presidential candidates or particularly notable members of say the Senate (Barry Goldwater for instance) are not in and of themselves "political".

Arguing about that president's beliefs and policies makes it political. But Presidents have appeared on the cover and in the interior of comic books for many, many decades. Obama on the cover of ASM has been mentioned, Reagan on the cover of Bullwinkle 4 has not. I have both. I wouldn't discuss here whether I voted for them or what policies I liked/disliked. That's political. But both are comic books and I think both have great covers.

I absolutely agree. Talking about, for example, the inauguration coming up is not political; it's just ... secular, for want of a better word. An event. And an important event, as far as the country is concerned. But saying "the right person won," or "I'm going to boycott it because of X" would be political: i.e., controversial and partisan.

Maybe "no partisan posts" would be a better way to say it? Not sure. Technically, everything is politics ... "The art of managing competing interests and scarce resources." For example, the phrase "office politics" is likely not what is meant here. But "politics" is an ill-defined word. We tend to think it means anything to do with politicians, though that's not really true.


I more or less agree with you here. It’s definitely more the partisan nature of everything these days.

It why social media is a cesspool of anger and misinformation. Sadly, just a mention or image of President X is enough to enrage someone to the point they can’t control their fingers.

I’ve had get rid of friends, not because I disagree with them politically, but because they lose all sense of personal responsibility and common sense and go off on anger-filled tirades.

If the goal is to eliminate that from a forum on comics, then I’m pretty fine with it and I trust our admins to do the right thing.

If they don’t, I go somewhere else.

At the same time, I much prefer that CBCS takes an active stance in moderating their forums.

It would be like opening some kind gathering place for people, then gangs move in and start bothering the customers.

The business can do nothing and suffer the consequences or do it’s duty to provide a safe place for people to go.

Most online forums choose the first option.

I’m glad CBCS has chosen the second.

It’s allowed me to chat with a lot of great people.

I think there needs to be more of a sense of ... I don't know, individual spaces? Maybe that's not the right phrase. But when someone else creates a new post, and I read and comment and participate, I feel like I am a guest on "their" post. And similarly, I feel I should be able to create my own space, my own posts, where I and others can discuss subjects we want to discuss. And if someone doesn't like what we are saying, then don't read the thread ... just bug off.

It is offensive to me, when someone comes into the space I created, where we are discussing what we want to discuss, and then that person complains about what we are saying. To use your analogy, it's like we have a table at the restaurant, and someone sits down to listen - as anyone is free to do - and then demands that we get kicked out of the restaurant because he doesn't like what we are saying.

If you don't like it, don't read it. What the hell's wrong with that?
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I think as long as the rule is a hard rule then people will stay away from it. When it gets ruled one way one time and another way another time is when people begin to question what is and what isn't OK.

Over on the CGC Boards they tend to let things slide a great deal if political comments lean one way over another. That isn't right and reveals poor moderation. There is an entire thread over there that shouldn't exist under their rules but for some unknown reason the moderation allows it to continue.

You nailed it. Either eliminate all of it, or none of it. Playing favorites won't help.
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This is a public forum where anyone and everyone is free to post and comment on threads. No one has bought and paid for their part of the forum where rules don't apply or where the OP can make their own rules.

I think its overtly obvious why the new rule of no politics came into effect. There will be some that will test that new rule. Moderation will need to act swiftly as others will be watching and I'm sure complaints will be made as to why one post is allowed and another is not.

For this to be effective the rule should be a "hard" rule with little wiggle room for interpretation.

This is a comics forum, I'm not sure why anyone would want to post political comments anyway. Unless it's to gain support for one's ideaology or one is in a debating mood.....I'll bet it's likely more for the latter. We also have a PM system where a debate can be had but I believe having an audience is part of the allure. Either way, in my opinion, there's no place for it on a comics forum and I welcome this new rule.

EDIT: I should add that while this is a public forum....we are in CBCS's house. They make the rules, we as guests follow them, period.
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So what are everyone's thoughts about __(1)___ winning?
Can you believe how violent the war was to __(2)___ and to diminish __(3)___?
It's an outrage!

Of course (1) = My winning bid on a Werewolf by Night 1
Of course (2) = violent bidding I had to endure to win the auction
Of course (3) = My paypal account

(juuuuuuuuust a momentary chuckle I hope for everyone!)
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This is a public forum where anyone and everyone is free to post and comment on threads. No one has bought and paid for their part of the forum where rules don't apply or where the OP can make their own rules.

I think that sort of black and white framing doesn't really reflect reality. There are more options than just the iron fist on every post vs. no rules at all. I'm not sure why you would imply I was saying the OP should be free to do anything they want ... you've got the wrong end of it, if that's what you think. It doesn't have to be all or nothing, you know.

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This is a comics forum, I'm not sure why anyone would want to post political comments anyway.

Well, conversations happen. If you aren't interested in those divergent conversations, then don't participate in them, but comic books have been infused with political and controversial subjects for at least the last sixty years and likely a lot longer. Have you never read X-Men? It's an allegory for racism.

Adults are able to discuss these subjects and follow the conversation where it leads without rancor. But some want to interpret every opinion as a personal insult, and get butthurt when someone says something they don't like. CBCS has decided to get rid of those complaints by nixing certain subjects. And they are free to do so. But yes, it's pretty clear why they chose to do that.
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Going forward, political posts will not be allowed on the CBCS Forum.

Let me repeat that; Going forward, political posts will not be allowed on the CBCS Forum.


Let me repeat that; Going forward, political posts will not be allowed on the CBCS Forum.

For anyone who wants to test the gray area, please don't. If you type something that makes you pause a second before you hit the Reply button because you wonder if you should post that...you probably shouldn't post that.

Talk comics, have fun, make jokes, entertain each other, show us what you bought today. If you want to argue the "facts" about your political leanings with a complete stranger who will not see your point of view, the internet has places to do that. I assure you, that place is not here.
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The reality is it doesn't work that way on a text based forum and Moderation is left to deal with the mess. If everyone conducted themselves the way they're supposed to then there would be no need for any rules at all.

It's simply easier and less messy to ban the topic. It's not like they're saying "no discussions about the Hulk"...this is a comics forum...I think we'd all challenge that rule.

No politics makes perfect sense (seeing how divisive its become) on a forum that has nothing to do with politics.

I'm in a place to discuss and learn about comics. It's like smoking to me. Does the right of the smoker supercede the right of the diner in a resturant? I went to a diner for a meal not emphysema. I know each thread can be considered a "smoking section" or "smoke free" environment but usually what happens is the political post derails an entire thread and it gets locked...no more talk about that topic.
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Let me repeat that; Going forward, political posts will not be allowed on the CBCS Forum.

For anyone who wants to test the gray area, please don't. If you type something that makes you pause a second before you hit the Reply button because you wonder if you should post that...you probably shouldn't post that.

Talk comics, have fun, make jokes, entertain each other, show us what you bought today. If you want to argue the "facts" about your political leanings with a complete stranger who will not see your point of view, the internet has places to do that. I assure you, that place is not here.

Exactly
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@Tedsaid

I think you and I are on the same page.

I’ve always viewed Facebook that way. It’s my page and I can post what I want.

If someone doesn’t like it, they can ignore it or post on their own page. The issue is there are a lot of people who are incapable of doing that, but also don’t want you doing the same to them.

It is a little disheartening because we are supposed to be adults but not everyone has matured, I guess.

It’s like having a Vote Kang sign in your yard and people ringing your doorbell only to tell you that you’re stupid and should vote Kodos.

Not everything needs someone’s opinion attached to it.

It’s a nuance thing and tough to moderate, but I think reasonable adults see the lines and the gray and they are comfortable with it.

The unreasonable ones will have to tilt at other windmills, I suppose.

As always, I do enjoy your opinions, though.

You are one of the good ones!
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The reality it doesn't work that way on a text based forum and Moderation is left to deal with the mess. If everyone conducted themselves the way they're supposed to then there would be no need for any rules at all...No politics makes perfect sense (seeing how divisive its become) on a forum that has nothing to do with politics.


It does make sense and noting that strikes haven't been generated in roughly a month maybe it should tell us all something like a ...




politics rule is a VERY GOOD thing!
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