Modern 9.6 vs 9.813489
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Cli4dR3D0g private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Are today's modern 9.6s that are getting passed up for 9.8s gonna have their day in 10/20/30/40 years? I love a 9.8 as much as the next guy (or gal), but to my old eyes it is usually hard to distinguish between the two. Not a deal breaker and I haven't lost sleep over this, but thought it would be a good conversation among experts. | ||
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| No. New books are 9.8 or nothing. Unless it's a signed book or sketch. | ||
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| The bottom line is grading is subjective. CGC and CBCS try their best to remove as much of that subjectivity as possible, but it's not perfect. Given that, a book that grades a 9.6 on one day may grade a 9.8 on another and vice versa. It's my hope that folks will begin to understand and realize that and the multiples that people currently pay for a 9.8 vs a 9.6 will begin to diminish. I think it'll be more of a matter of 9.8 prices coming down rather than 9.6 gaining on the crazy 9.8 prices though. |
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Cli4dR3D0g private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Devil's advocate... both 9.8 and 9.6 state "this is close to mint with few minor defects." Granted 9.6 has multiple provisions, but I wonder if today's 9.6 would be tomorrow's 9.8 and vice versa. | ||
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| @daredevilart is correct, I think. I feel like we see it on some of the older books, too. Either way, good question, though. I do think at some point people will buy 9/6s more for the price break. |
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Cli4dR3D0g private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Hard to justify a 2x price point for 9.8 versus 9.6, or is it? Again, this is for lively conversation. | ||
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| The big push for 9.8s, especially on Modern books, is the cgc Registry. If CBCS had a Registry similar to the cgc, then I believe you would see a rise in their realized sales prices. A book can spike just because two or more people are looking for it in order to plug a hole in their Registry set. Furthermore, since a 9.8 is worth more points than a 9.6, then there isn't going to be near the demand. | ||
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 I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson Depends on the book. Key books, convention variants or 1:200 ratio variants in 9.6 could be worth quite a bit. Conversely there are many moderns in 9.8 that ain't worth much. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson Aha. That's the explanation that clears up the illogicality. It makes sense though. Second place may be prized at the Olympics, but not at the Grade School track meet. For common books that are going to be put in the registry, only the first place ribbon matters. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by drchaos I meant generally speaking. There are exceptions to every rule. Quote: Originally Posted by drchaos Too true, but if someone did want the book, I'm betting they would prefer it as a 9.8 as opposed to a 9.6. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by xjagnew I got the same eyes. Here's another thing to consider if speculating with moderns: How many raw copies in the 9.4ish range can you buy for the price of a slabbed 9.8? If the 9.8 is $100 and raw copies are $30, it's a no brainer buy the 9.8. But if the 9.8 is $200 and I can get raw 9.4ish copies at $20 each, I would be inclined to speculate on the ten raw copies. If that 9.8 goes to $800 and the 9.4's go to $150-$200...your going to be glad you bought 10 raw books, even after all the fees. And if one of them presses to a 9.6 you will be way ahead. |
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| No way to know what will happen. But my basic take relies more on how many exist at each grade point. 1000 books graded, 1 9.8 and lots and lots of 9.6 & 9.4, then the 9.8 will always be more valued. Same with up to 9 of them. Two digit psych barrier and price diff shrinks; more so with three digit counts. | ||
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| There are a number of case studies if you look on the net, of folks cracking Modern 9.8's and 9.6's and resubmitting. Former 9.6's become 9.8s; former 9.8's become 9.6's; and obviously some stay the same. These case studies have been done within the same company as well as inter-company crack and re-submits. To me, these case studies remind me of how silly 9.6 vs. 9.8 is since we are discussing subjectivity; not objective mechanical means of assessment. In the end, we are human and gravitate towards "best" number; regardless of how it got there. Be it restaurant ratings (4.8 stars vs. 4.9 stars - like that matters); comics, etc... It doesn't have to make sense. It just has become what it currently is which is Modern 9.8's rule and 9.6 is frowned upon. In the end, I don't care - I just hope for 9.8's currently because I ditch every comic I get graded to those that enjoy slabs. |
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson Not if the 9.6 was signed by Stan Lee. |
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| I came across this today and thought I would share it. I was looking on GoCollect for a book I just bought and found this being offered: Tales from the Darkside #1 - 9.6 - $46.99 Tales from the Darkside #1 - 9.8 - $299.00 I would buy the 9.6 in a heartbeat and let someone else have the 9.8. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by drchaos Depends on when "Stan" signed it. Has anyone seen a signed book on anything released after his passing? So many STUPID thieves in the hobby, I'd have figured we'd see one by now. |
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| @Siggy you mean “Stanle”? | ||
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| I’m perfectly happy with 9.6s. My 9.6 Bloodshot 1 has a 1/8 inch non color breaking spine tick that can only be seen when looking for it. My 9.6 Spider-Man 1 has the slight poly bag indent (unavoidable) which is barely noticeable. My 9.8 Cates absolute carnage is wavy and looks like trash; go figure 🤷🏻♂️ |
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Quote:Originally Posted by HulkSmash So if I bought a book on Ebay signed by "Stanley"...that's probably not going to work out very well for me? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySeller Only if you some guys sig who’s name is Stanley  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by drchaos But then one isn't really buying the book or the grade at all, but the autograph. |
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson Usually it is both. |
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| If you really want to muddy the waters, what’s the difference between a 9.9 and 9.8? 9.8s and 9.6s will be so common that the 9.9 and 10 will really command premiums. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jabberwookie No bindery tears? |
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 If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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| The key to collectibles 40 years from now, as it is today, will be desirability. Condition is one factor in desirability. Will anyone ever want a 9.6 more than a 9.8? I don't see why. Will they consider them equal, or value 9.8s at a 25% upcharge instead of 100%? I could see that, although having them equal seems unlikely to me. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySeller Unless maybe it's Psycho Circus or HTD #12 & 13. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jabberwookie I refer to the difference between a 9.8, 9.9, and a 10.0 as the "Got Lucky" quotient. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson Can’t argue against that! I truly think you’re on to something. I can’t imagine a grader looking at 9.8 and 9.9 seeing much different. In all fairness, I’m not a grader or pretend to be one on tv, but 9.8 is mint/ near mint and 10 starts to feel like an A+++ |
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson More like the grader got lucky the night before. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by drchaos That's exactly what I meant, but it works both ways. |
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