CBCS sees Nestle's $100,000 bar...13477
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 Have I told you about the time I dropped off 3,000 comics at SDCC?
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Scifinator private msg quote post Address this user | |
| And raises with a $105,000 CBCS Certification! which is a new record price for this comic in restored classification. clickable text  |
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 Not trying to be an ass since February 12, 2020.
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| “Restoration includes Cover cleaned” So pressing is restoration? | ||
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| @HulkSmash That’s my question? I’ve been led to believe that cleaning and pressing were not considered restoration. | ||
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Not trying to be an ass since February 12, 2020.
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| @Firehawk2069 me too. we all see the CPRs with nice grade bumps and regular press subs. Ssoooo.. patiently waiting for someone with the answer |
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 If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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| If you clean with chemicals then it's restoration. If you 'dry clean' like CBCS or other similar services, it doesn't leave a trace and isn't considered restoration. To be more pedantic, cleaning isn't the same thing as pressing even if the two services are often offered together. |
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Not trying to be an ass since February 12, 2020.
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk Got it. So it may have had oil or stains or something like that.  |
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 I'm good with splotches.
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| Restoration, in this case for a book like this, I barely even take notice. Gorgeous gorgeous gorgeous book | ||
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 Suck it up, buttercup!!
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk I always liken press/clean vs restoration in car terms. i.e. get your car detailed and dents/scratches buffed out = press/clean....paint the car and replace body panels or bondo to fill in holes etc = restoration! |
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| Gorgeous book. I do love that CBCS doesn't give restored books the PLOD. So unfair to books like this. | ||
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Have I told you about the time I dropped off 3,000 comics at SDCC?
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Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomics @KatKomics - Pretty much what I have said and feel.  |
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I'm good with splotches.
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Quote:Originally Posted by MatterEaterLad I agree. We are all soooooooooooo human in that we make/feel instantaneously when we see colors on labels (or really anything). Cars, clothing, you name it. Colors draw out feelings of favorability or unfavourability without logical content assessment - at least initially. And let's face it, with comics, purple is always "bad" for most of us. I do not support colored labels, generally. Instead, I support full information content about the comic on the label. I recognize this is extreme - but I'd even support blue labels for everything with a full disclosure of content on the blue label (ASP, VSP, Restored, grading notes, Qualified, etc...) |
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Have I told you about the time I dropped off 3,000 comics at SDCC?
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Scifinator private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Now, for a historical context, did anyone notice that the cover artist reflected that the Luger is ambidextrous? Sorry, but one of the things I look at if a cover catches my eye is can the artist draw fingers and feet and is it anatomically correct. Oh, and I like guns  |
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 Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, Spock
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk Actually, "dry cleaning" is cleaning without water, not without liquids. The Dry Cleaners that clean your clothes do it with chemical solvents that don't have water in them, for example. But they ARE liquids. It is really hard to suss out what comic book people mean, because of our knee-jerk assumptions with the term "dry clean." Especially with restoration issues. I think initially people who well-understood the processes involved weren't against "dry cleaning" per se ... I.e., they weren't against using a few non-water chemicals to get the dirt out and such. But sometimes people used other chemicals, chemicals that would bleach the paper to make it look better. Bleaches are bad - they can artificially make the paper look better, but they do it by causing damage to the paper fibers. Anything that damages a comic is rightly considered restoration, and is a big no-no. However, a LOT of people misinterpret "dry clean" to mean "no chemicals." To alleviate the misunderstanding, the grading companies would sometimes say something like, "Using any aqueous solution is considered restoration." But that doesn't work, either, because "aqueous" literally means: a liquid that contains water. Other times people would use the word "H2O" instead of "water," to be clear that some non-aqueous liquid cleaners are acceptable. But by then the whole issue was so muddled, that the comic book collecting public now firmly believes ANY liquid chemicals or solvents at all are verboten. On top of that, companies like CGC are loath to reveal ANY details of what they do. Part of that is, they don't want to give any hint of which "restoration" techniques they aren't able to identify during the grading process. Doing so would encourage some people to try to get away with something. (And part of it is, CGC are just annoyingly secretive. They've been criticized so often for things like Newton Rings and Frankenslabs that they have become scared to discuss any details at all.) Of course, some people think cleaning techniques that can't be detected aren't really restoration; but others disagree. And no one is really talking. Even here on the CBCS forum we can't describe pressing and cleaning techniques at all. As such, this post may be deleted ... it is my intent to discuss the issues involved generally, without describing the techniques themselves. But some people don't like even that. I'm not sure if that was the original intent, that NO solvent cleaning is allowed, but that's where we are now. Anyway, I've heard there are some dry cleaning techniques that restore the health of the paper, without bleaching it, and can undo some of the damage of, say, yellowing or browning of paper. But I don't know what they are, and I don't know anyone who does them. And, due to the history of people doing all kinds of underhanded things to comics for money, people are VERY circumspect when even talking about these issues. Anyway, back to the original post: when pressers "dry clean" books, they literally use no liquids at all, and just use a soft eraser or something similar. |
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 If I could, I would. I swear.
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| Cliff Notes version: When a cleaned cover gets a restored label, then it was a wet cleaning with some type of solvent. | ||
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Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, Spock
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson That ... doesn't clear it up, actually. "Wet" means with water. Did you mean "liquid cleaning?" |
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 CBCS broke up with me over Facebook.
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson Pretty sure a book that has just been cleaned now falls under "conserved" and not restored. AT least across the street it does. |
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If I could, I would. I swear.
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Quote:Originally Posted by CFP_Comics I try to stay on my side of the street and not cross over. There are strangers on the other side. |
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