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| I don't think Tony looked at it as putting his life on the line anymore than he usually did when he had the suit on. He was impulsive and rash. I think he had the opportunity to use the stones and thought he could control them. He did control them but it did not work out the way he thought it would when he snapped his fingers. Yes, he died a hero but like many of them he was deeply flawed. Tony acts the way billionaires act in our own reality. They aren't used to hearing the word no and move forward no matter what the cost. Kind of a my way or the highway approach to life that effects large amounts of people. This type of behavior is reflected in the actions of the guy who is in the White House and by the guy who used to be the mayor of New York. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySellerNope, like Cap I'm gonna do as I like. Did ya vote, EbaySeller? And like I could even corral this group lol I lost it pretty far back with Bill Gates, post office, and putting the punisher on the ticket... |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySellerGreat talking point on elections in general - as it should not necessarily be a popularity contest but who can do the job and is 'right' - lol - but We tend to go for who looks better telling us the best lies... I have and am not into liking Cap's character - I just don't like Tony's take on things in the flick. But another BIG turnoff for Tony is no coffee in garbage disposal?! Can’t vote for that either! |
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| Cap got closure, Tony got an arc. Which is fine, since Cap was basically already a hero. He didn't need to change. Thor and Hulk have been most short-changed, getting a lot of screen time but having stuff just happen to them or having their changes happen off-screen. Kind of a shame. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by robo The Superheroes are the 50 states. Cap is the Conservative, He wants to leave them to their own self-determination and regulate them only when necessary. Tony is the (Global) Progressive, he seeks an even more perfect union, more safety, and justice and equality for the powerless. He agrees to consolidating power and decision making authority, first at the Federal level and ultimately at the Global level. I'm right of center, I believe that power corrupts, and consolidated power scares the hell out of me. I can deal with mistreatment in the private sector, or even the State level, but once the Federal government starts mistreating me, I have no recourse. I believe that keeping decision making at the state level is the last line of defense against the wrong person seizing complete power. The last 4 years would indicate that the left clearly agrees with me...but only when they do not hold the power at the Federal level. I understand that leaving power distributed leads to injustice and inequalities at times, but moving out of an unjust or undesirable State is something that is done regularly. Leaving the US entirely is incredibly difficult, leaving the globe is impossible. I would vote for Cap even if he had Orange hair and said nasty mean things on a daily basis. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySeller Hmm ... I would say, it's not so much conservatism vs. liberalism, as it is authoritarianism (Iron Man / control) vs. liberalism (in the classic sense). I know it is popular among some right-wing agitators to claim that liberals are keen on exerting strict control over the populous. As a liberal myself, I can assure you that is not even close to true. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Tedsaid And yet you seek to limit and control the ability of people to purchase firearms and the items that allow them to function. |
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| Admittedly I don't read a lot of think pieces on the politics of comic book characters, but that is the first time I've ever seen Cap described as conservative and Tony as liberal. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Tedsaid Absolutely. Because here, it's about protecting the right to life, the 25,000 people a year who are killed by firearms, and suffer the ultimate loss of freedom. Vs. people who just want guns for fun, or to collect, or some sort of gun fetish. Or the ones who want guns for "protection." Obviously, the people who save their own lives with a gun are just as important, just as weighty, when balancing with those who lose their lives to guns. But if you look at the FBI statistics on that, it is something like 70 or 80 to 1, homicides compared to justifiable homicides. So yes, in terms of regulating competing freedoms, 70 trumps 1. So we have to get rid of most firearms, in order to protect those freedoms, the freedom to live. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by TedsaidTed, you created your equation there - no thank you. And 'we' will never get rid of 'most' firearms. I'll take that as a vote for Iron and no coffee in the gargabe disposal. |
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| It's a moot point because outlawing firearms will NEVER, EVER happen. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by robo Why would you count a vote for Cap as a vote for Iron Man? Also, I don't know what you mean by: I created my equation. Do you mean the statistics? They come from the FBI crime statistics; feel free to look them up yourself, verify the numbers. But there is no better data for comparing apples to apples, than to look at homicides with firearms vs. justifiable homicides with firearms. That is exactly the sort of ground-truth we need to have a reasonable debate on the issue. Do you want even better data? More analysis? Me, too. But the gun nuts and NRA fetish freaks have prevented the CDC and anyone else from using federal resources to gather data, or do any sort of analysis, for YEARS. They do that because if people knew all the actual consequences of their advocacy, it would really makes them look bad. You know that one side has really weak arguments when they fight to prevent getting good data on the subject. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk @xkonk I don’t think of Liberal and Progressive as the same thing. I have a lot in common with Liberals. Progressive is more about insuring justice, security and equality by consolidating power And decision making. In a global society, Progrssive movement can only have one logical conclusion...one government. |
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| That's interesting. There wasn't an opportunity for it to come up but I wonder if late-movie Tony would have given his armor designs to the government (any government). Early-movie Tony explicitly didn't because he didn't trust the government to use it properly; Rhodey steals the War Machine armor to take to the Air Force. Late-movie Tony was willing to sign the Accords but I don't think he would have let the actual armor out of his hands. If he wanted that 'armor around the world' he could have given suits to a bunch of SHIELD agents and let them help out. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by TedsaidI hear ya, but I mean I don't care what the numbers are - that doesn't change it for me - as in you're saying - I think - more people are flat out murdered with guns as opposed to defending themselves - and you have every right to feel/think that matters. But it has nothing to do with my choice to have a firearm. Those numbers mean nothing (to me)… Based on that are you really?! voting Cap = seems you are all Iron. Interesting please add more - just sharing ideas here - do wanna practice not thinking I am my ideas but remember watching that movie and really siding with Cap and thinking Iron Man was overreaching and should be stopped if possible. Personal responsibilities 'guns don't kill people do.' You see gun control as a parallel to Cap's position in the Civil War movie? I can't see that at all... but no worries. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Tedsaid Your numbers come from where? The latest numbers on the FBI's website for expanded homicide data are from 2014 to 2018. The FBI shows that in 2018 total firearms murder/homicide numbers where 14,123 which isn't 25,000. Are you attempting to lump in suicides? You might want to look at the studies that show that wait periods for firearms don't cut suicide numbers down. People look for other ways to do it when they put wait period for firearms into effect. Also, you seem to want the reader to believe that the small number of self-defense killings mean that gun ownership does nothing. You either aren't aware, are discounting, or are attempting to hide the fact that studies indicate that 237,000 to over 2 million times a year a firearm is used defensively depending on who was doing the study. Defensive use of a firearm is defined as brandishing a firearm, communicating that you have a firearm, pointing the firearm at the offender, firing the firearm or fire a warning shot, firing the firearm at the offender, wounding or killing the offender. If we go on the small side of those studies then 237,000 Americans have their lives saved or they deterred a crime in which serious bodily injury was going to happen. One can only legally use a firearm to defend oneself in a situation where the threat of death, death, serious bodily injury or or the threat of serious bodily injury might occur. So, a pretty big number of Americans are using firearms to defend themselves or others in nasty situations. On the Bloomberg mantra that AR15's are assault weapons and need to be banned I'd have to ask why? In 2018 the FBI numbers show that less than 300 people we murders by rifles in the USA. That's all rifles not just AR15's, or whatever black rifle you want to reference. Over 1500 people were murdered by knives, and hands/feet/fists were used to murder over 670. Using the Bloomberg logic we need to ban knives and hands/feet/fists before rifles. They are used to kill more people right? Wait, that's right it isn't about logic. It is about pointing at something that looks scary to someone that has never used the tool before and getting them to make a uninformed decision/conclusion. I could provide more information and data. Just like I know you can. Neither of us are going to convince the other to change their minds. The difference is that I'm not attempting to limit others or force my views about using a legal tool on them. As I have stated in the thread, I have used and carried firearms my entire life. I respect them just like I would any tool in my home. I have made decisions that allow me to live and visit locals that reflect my views on firearm usage. Unlike others, I don't travel to places and expect them to bow to my views. I just choose not to travel there and not interfere with the ways they want to live. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Tedsaid @Tedsaid I think you give a perfect example of how Progressives with the best of intentions would turn "Freedom" from a shield to a sword. As they build their Religion around the "freedom to live" (and live equally) argument, the start is to use it as a pretense to take away guns...because they serve no legitimate purpose, they only harm. Here's a few other things that can be taken away based on the argument that the social harm outweighs to usefulness: cigarettes, booze, SUV's, KFC, McDonlad's, soda, large homes, football, golf courses, salt in food, more than one child... Once we give up guns, shouldn't we expect that the argument then Progresses to one of these other harmful and unnecessary things? |
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@EbaySeller sounds like you're talking about the movie Demolition Man  everything that is bad for you is illegal... |
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Quote:Originally Posted by MutantMania @MutantMania I had forgot about that. It's actually a somewhat common theme in Distopian Sci-Fi that the restrictions come from those who believed they had societies best interest at heart. Basically that Authoritarianism will come to America with a Happy Face, as George Carlin would say. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater @Towmater This is a really important point. There was a time about a generation ago when being a "Conservative" meant trying to use the Federal government to limit the actions of others based on moralistic, religious or patriotic views. And being a Progressive meant insisting that States respect civil and religious rights that were unpopular. In our generation that's all been flipped on it's head and being a conservative now means fighting to not have other peoples "good ideas" forced on you in the name of social health or social justice. Being a Progressive now means that Blind Justice is unacceptable...Justice to a Progressive (much like college admissions) has to be Social and take into account ones race, background and historical social disadvantages. |
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| So where do you gents draw the line? @EbaySeller mentioned small arms/CQC. Anything else? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonkYeah, the whole situation didn't seem as in character with Tony, but 'they' are driving the car... |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySellerGeorge got it. Look at every single socialist/communist country - ever... They come in all Kumbaya with big 'government' control only to create a virtual prison for everyone except the select in control. Granted it's all a bit of sham - our government does this too - as groups of people tend create group think(teams) and our egos so want to be right. Making others wrong or ourselves the victim is great at achieving this. Putting others in charge of our wellbeing and trading control of our living style is a slippery slope. Practice doing your own thing and allowing others the same (your own thing can be defending yourself and even stopping others too) - Kumbaya y'all. Voted Cap. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySeller One can see that that what you are referencing started to happen around the time that both sides lined up lockstep and attempted to limit speech on music with their involvement in the PMRC. Total idiocy. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by robo I've been to Norway many times and that's not the case. Though Norwegians would laugh if you called their country "socialist". They consider their government a social democracy. They have a free market. They don't have the government seizing control of industries like in Venezuela. They tax more and in return you get universal healthcare, free college (even overseas), a year of paid maternity, 3 months paid paternity, and a pension. They also have zero national debt. Let me repeat that: ZERO national debt. The US is $27 trillion in debt. Norway, a tiny country, has a $1 trillion surplus. I've been to all the major cities in Norway and you don't see urban decay, trailer parks, poverty ravaged parts of cities, or the blight you see in every city in the US. They have almost no lower class and a vibrant middle class. I think we can learn a lot from Norway. Instead of scaring voters with the socialist boogyman into voting for politicians who are only going to enrich their wealthy donors. I love the US and would never leave. I've been to every state in the union. Capitalism turned the US into the innovation center of the world. Capitalism also led to entire industries moving their factories overseas, leaving cities all over the US in economic ruin. Oh, and Team Cap all the way. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by MatterEaterLad @MatterEaterLad I'm not disputing what you say, but why do you think it is that the worlds immigrants so often choose the US over Norway? If we're not missing something in the equation, it would seem that there is a huge mistake being made by the worlds most desperate people. Honestly though, I think we're missing something in the equation. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySeller Good question. I'm guessing that most of our immigrants (and definitely most of our illegals) are coming via Mexico, so geography is probably part of it. On the other side of the coin, Norway is up there on the same parallel as Alaska, so geography and weather probably make some immigrants think twice. Despite the long, dark winters, Norway does have a huge immigrant population. Something like 15%. |
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| It isn't the geography and weather; people stay away from Alaska because of their socialism. /sarcasm |
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk It's the bears.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by MatterEaterLad That's so fake!!! Alaska has snow!   |
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