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| @MatterEaterLad You just stated that he wasn't a danger to himself or others. Although you haven't stated that he hasn't had a court adjudicate that he can't have firearms I am guessing that this isn't the case. How would the governmental agency that issued the concealed weapons permit know anything about his heath mental or any other health issues he might or might not have? If he can pass whatever the standard, i.e., testing and background check your state has set up then he's going to be issued one. Mental health information just like other heath information isn't shared with an agency unless order by law or a court. Kind of like a operators permit. |
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| Guns? Okay but don't forget to vote! lol. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater Thank you for making my point for me. He was discharged from the Air Force after a year for mental health reasons, he's harassed politicians online and in person, he's wandered off and been found living on someone's doorstep while they were on vacation, he's on a host of anti-psychotic meds, and he always has 2-3 guns in his car that he never remembers to lock. He tried to board a plane with a handgun. Our system of background checks takes none of that into consideration. And to Robo's point...Team Cap. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by MatterEaterLad OK, I’m confused. I don't know you from Adam. From your posts, and if I am understanding this correctly, you seem to have concerns about his mental health, but knowingly allow him to keep firearms on his person, in his vehicle, and I guess in his home. He has shown up at an airport with a firearm, and leaves his firearms in locations that are not secure. He has harassed elected officials. You are aware of all of this and have power of attorney over him. Having just reread what I wrote, and if it is correct understanding of what you have conveyed, I think I'm going to exit the conversation with you at this point. |
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| Some of y'all need to ponder on this one. You are not your thoughts/ideas. I know it's heavy, but Cap or Iron... | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk What about knives? What about bows and arrows? Where do we draw a line? What happened to letting other people enjoy life and not trying to destroy liberty? We eat fast food, that we don't need, that kills us everyday. It's just freedom. The application of the 2A is to preserve freedom. It's one of the most important rights that you have. What we all don't want is criminals to have guns. Guess what? Criminals don't follow the law - no matter how many you have in place. A reason I'd vote for Cap:  |
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| @theCapraAegagrus I believe that the reason that magazines that hold over 10 rounds were brought up in this thread is due to Biden's "anti-gun gonna fix all the crime in the world" policy that he released on his website. Read it. I'm not clear how he is going to take an item that has no serial number on it and force people that currently own them to register them, and then go through the process of getting a $200.00 tax stamp for each one of them but that's one highlights in it. How about no shotguns that can hold more than 3 shells in the tube? Bye, Bye Remington 1100 as that won't be legal. The list goes on and on. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater LOL, my shotgun holds 14+2. I am gonna read it. I could use a good laugh this morning. Edit: ROFL @ "This time, the bans will be designed based on lessons learned from the 1994 bans." The lesson learned is that it accomplished nothing! That's why it expired and never renewed. The blatant misuse of "assault weapon" and "weapon of war" is killing me. I'm no longer laughing... Prohibit online sales of arms and ammunition!? This guy literally hates freedom. I have to stop reading, now. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus So why have laws? Might as well throw our hands in the air and hope for the best, I suppose. Except for when it comes to fast food; we do have laws about that. Criminals don't cook their meat to a safe temperature, no matter how many you have in place. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk Laws are kind of the last step in the educational process. I think that most people can understand, "don't tread on others." If someone - for whatever reason - doesn't grasp the concept, then there's the 'threat' of punishment. If you get caught, of course. Laws (were supposed to) exist to protect life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Why punish the 99.99% just because criminals will do criminal things? Fixing the education system, fixing cultural issues, and fixing mental health problems should be a priority. Guns don't hurt people. People hurt people. We can't ignore the root cause in the vain of fear. |
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| @theCapraAegagrus The answer might be because it is the easy knee jerk attempt at a solution that a politician can point to and state, "See, I did something". Never realizing that the "solution" they provided isn't a solution at all. All I know is that since the protest/riots started gun and ammo sales have gone off the charts. From January to June gun background checks were up 69% from the previous year. They totaled almost 10 million of them completed. A survey of gun store owners showed that 40% of the firearms being sold are to new gun owners. That's a very sizable number. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater Gun sales are up over 250%, compared to 2019, in my state. My mom bought her first this year. She wants to buy more, too, even though riots aren't happening here. If people want to "feel safe", I think that they should take matters into their own hands, instead of expecting others to do it for them. Personal responsibility and all. However, right now is a low time to start buying. Ammo prices are outrageous and stock is nearly impossible to find. Kinda wish I had a bolt-action already (it's on the list to acquire soon). Lead time for ceramic plates is 3-4 months! I got 1 awhile ago, but I don't feel like tying up money for that long. |
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| Back to who I would vote for. Just read Irredeemable again. Add Homelander and now add Liberty from the Boys.Either Captain America’s side, or Iron Mans side will wind up being my death. I refuse to vote for that. If super-heroes existed or aliens exist and visit us, we will wind up dead. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by doogOkay, no reading allowed it's the film, movie. You are going to die. That's not up for a vote. Try again pick Cap or Iron based on the movie Civil War. |
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| The movie is tougher because they don't give Tony the same opportunity to hang himself like they do in the comics. I still think Cap is right on the general topic but Tony is more sympathetic. | ||
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| Tony never came off as being sympathetic to me in the movies. He came off as a guy who had a huge ego and wasn't a complete human being. I couldn't get around the plot holes of him never thinking that flying around in a war suit and fighting people in cities wasn't going to cause collateral damage. Also, the Avengers must have killed a few people in NYC when they were fighting Loki and the Chitauri fleet. Just the debris falling out of the sky would have killed a ton of people in that battle. | ||
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| I meant sympathetic compared to the Civil War comics, where he does things like collaborate on a Thor clone that kills Goliath and sends prisoners to a Negative Zone prison. In the movie he finds out that Bucky killed his parents, so that's a decent reason to be upset. I think things like the battle of NYC are exactly why Tony wants the accords. The government would be in charge of what and how they do things, so collateral damage would hypothetically be minimized in the future. The next time we see him he's trying to mentor Spider-Man, so maybe he took the general idea to heart. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk Tony's in-abiity to forgive a mind-controlled Bucky was, in my opinion, symbolic of his personal weaknesses and character flaws. After everything he'd done and seen, I thought it was pretty shallow that he couldn't see past his personal loss enough to blame the right party. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by robo Yeesh, you really gotta try to stop adding rules to your thread, lol. It's a forum, just start a conversation and let it create it's own course. |
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| Isn't/wasn't Tony an alcoholic? That would certainly have some impairment on judgement/logic/understanding. Regardless his brilliance and bank account, Tony is or was a boozer and a player. While on the other hand,... Capt. America (without 10 paragraphs of detail) is a role model. Please keep in mind, I lost interest in reading CA and IM in the mid 70's, so I have no idea how they have evolved since. LOL |
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| In the MCU it's easy to like Cap better than Tony, but Tony's character flaws and personal weaknesses definitely made him a deeper and more interesting character. It made an unbelievable character into someone that we almost could feel like we know. | ||
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| In the current Covid environment I feel myself more associated with Bruce. I just wish to smash things | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk Cap was right, though; "This just shifts the blame." And, ultimately, Cap was correct because Tony doesn't ask for anyone's permission in Infinity War or Endgame. |
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| Yeah, I agree. But that's the point, to take the blame/responsibility/decision-making out of one person's hands and put it everyone's hands (insofar as the government represents everyone). Not saying I agree or that he's right, but I think that's his opinion. I do think that Tony has the best arc across all the movies of anyone. Starts as a completely egotistical narcissist, ends as a family man who makes the sacrifice Cap explicitly said he couldn't in Avengers. Not a complete change, but he gets real change. Cap's arc is more subtle as far as character stuff. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk 100%. Marvel knew what they were doing when they chose him to make the final "snap". For Cap, it would've been business as usual - putting his life on the line for the greater good. For Stark, it was something you could've never predicted in 2008. |
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| I don't think Tony looked at it as putting his life on the line anymore than he usually did when he had the suit on. He was impulsive and rash. I think he had the opportunity to use the stones and thought he could control them. He did control them but it did not work out the way he thought it would when he snapped his fingers. Yes, he died a hero but like many of them he was deeply flawed. Tony acts the way billionaires act in our own reality. They aren't used to hearing the word no and move forward no matter what the cost. Kind of a my way or the highway approach to life that effects large amounts of people. This type of behavior is reflected in the actions of the guy who is in the White House and by the guy who used to be the mayor of New York. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySellerNope, like Cap I'm gonna do as I like. Did ya vote, EbaySeller? And like I could even corral this group lol I lost it pretty far back with Bill Gates, post office, and putting the punisher on the ticket... |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySellerGreat talking point on elections in general - as it should not necessarily be a popularity contest but who can do the job and is 'right' - lol - but We tend to go for who looks better telling us the best lies... I have and am not into liking Cap's character - I just don't like Tony's take on things in the flick. But another BIG turnoff for Tony is no coffee in garbage disposal?! Can’t vote for that either! |
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| Cap got closure, Tony got an arc. Which is fine, since Cap was basically already a hero. He didn't need to change. Thor and Hulk have been most short-changed, getting a lot of screen time but having stuff just happen to them or having their changes happen off-screen. Kind of a shame. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by robo The Superheroes are the 50 states. Cap is the Conservative, He wants to leave them to their own self-determination and regulate them only when necessary. Tony is the (Global) Progressive, he seeks an even more perfect union, more safety, and justice and equality for the powerless. He agrees to consolidating power and decision making authority, first at the Federal level and ultimately at the Global level. I'm right of center, I believe that power corrupts, and consolidated power scares the hell out of me. I can deal with mistreatment in the private sector, or even the State level, but once the Federal government starts mistreating me, I have no recourse. I believe that keeping decision making at the state level is the last line of defense against the wrong person seizing complete power. The last 4 years would indicate that the left clearly agrees with me...but only when they do not hold the power at the Federal level. I understand that leaving power distributed leads to injustice and inequalities at times, but moving out of an unjust or undesirable State is something that is done regularly. Leaving the US entirely is incredibly difficult, leaving the globe is impossible. I would vote for Cap even if he had Orange hair and said nasty mean things on a daily basis. |
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