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Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck I love The Boys, but that thought always bubbles up as I'm watching. Why would super-powered beings follow the whims of a board of directors? Why would they care about their shareholder value? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus Please. Let's not pretend that the reason they are "exercising their right" to carry a semi-automatic weapons in the state house or at a protest, is to protect free speech. If anything, it is to intimidate - with force of death - other protestors, or government officials. And threatening to kill people is not protected speech. Though I do think it's odd that you try to define all government officials and representatives as "tyrants." Such hostility towards government shows, I think, why you want to have such weapons. Insurrection and sedition, by the way, are not protected by the constitution either. So I'm not sure what sort of tyranny you are expecting to fight. The tyranny of masks? Of quarantines? Quote: Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus Why? That's what they are carrying around, for the intimidation factor. Or, I suppose, to kill "Antifa." Which doesn't exist. Anyway, your "right" to go around threatening to shoot people infringes on my right to feel safe in public. That's what regulations are for: to balance conflicting rights among the people.    |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Tedsaid Let's not pretend that you can protect the 1A without the 2A. Tyrants should be intimidated. "All government officials"? Let's not use straw-men, either. Are you equally afraid of semi-automatic pistols? Antifa doesn't exist? I can't have a reasonable debate with someone so indoctrinated. I'll see myself out. Open-carrying is not threatening to innocent people. Facts don't care about feelings. /end P.S. One of those pictures is of bolt-action rifles. LOL. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus Heh ... well, you can't go around intimidating "tyrants" without also intimidating everyone else walking around. Please, let's not pretend everyone is supposed to read your mind and know you have perfect judgment, and will only use your weapon for good. I don't know how you expect people to know if they are, or are not, the ones being "intimidated." And you call me the unreasonable one? Sheesh. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus C'mon, there are some idiots who open carry. Unfortunately I'm related to some of them. My father-in-law is on serious anti-psychotic meds and he open carries, and even worse, had no trouble obtaining his CCP, which makes no sense, but in the US these days, of course it does. Then there are just jerks. I was standing in line at the grocery store behind a guy with a rear-facing shoulder rig, so his barrel is pointed directly at me. He's totally oblivious as he's moving around sweeping everyone in line behind him. You could say, "He's a responsible gun owner and (insert reason here) why his gun would not go off." But how do we know that? We don't. He could go home and blow his foot off for all we know. I politely asked him if he could not point his weapon at me and he acted as though I gave his mom cancer. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Tedsaid Why would you be intimidated? Are you intimidated by police who open-carry semi-automatic pistols? Are you intimidated by bows and arrows? If you're afraid of an inanimate object, some might say that's not "sane". What you should be afraid of is criminals. Not law-abiding citizens. People fear what they don't understand. Have you ever tried understanding firearms? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by MatterEaterLad People are stupid, and even if they weren't, nothing will ever be so perfect as to think every gun owner will act and carry exceptionally. It's an impossible utopian expectation (if you were to believe such a thing). I wish it was possible, but I know it simply isn't. You don't punish good people for exceptions to rules. Not logically, anyways. Education is key. Do we take cars away because people drive drunk? Do we eliminate pain medication because some people OD on them? Everything gets abused in 1 way or another. The 2A is fundamental to avoiding problems of the 1700's. Consider me moderate on the topic, because I'm not an extreme Libertarian who thinks "all gun laws are infringement", but I also don't fear the law-abiding citizen carrying small arms. |
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| Lawyers can argue the sky being blue like us - I stress this part - the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. The regulated milita is additional and I dem that as the states' National Guards. Look at recent events and the vilification of OUR police. Again for Captain America on this one - no to 1984! Too much regulation as it is. Big government creates an 'evil' Cobra set on protecting big government. But have no interest in Cap, always went Iron Man - still I vote Cap. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus I agree. People are stupid. And stupid people are irresponsible. I have no problem with guns and am very pro-hunting. It's still idiotic that you need some measure of driver's ed to drive a car but no training to buy a gun. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus The difference between cars and medicine versus guns is that they have beneficial purposes. I get a car to get to work more efficiently, and I get medicine to stop being sick. People can abuse those things, which is why there are rules and regulations about getting them, but there are completely innocuous, and in fact good, reasons for people to have them. If I get a gun, my only purpose is that I think that someday I might want/need to maim or kill something. There can be good reasons; I want to hunt, or I have an abusive spouse. I don't think guns should be banned. But if I had to pick a starting point on things that cry out to be regulated it would be "things made to kill people". An added wrinkle for superpowers (to keep somewhat on topic) is that the superpower is part of a person most of the time. Mutants, aliens, your Spider-men and Flashes and whatnot. A blanket regulation on people for existing is a tough pill to swallow. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus C'mon, you can't argue that the weapons are intended to intimidate, and then turn around and say people are dumb for being intimidated. "Oh, my, what are you so scared of? Dying? That's so silly! Guns aren't designed to kill people." Besides, you said you were leaving the conversation. What happened? Couldn't abide not getting the last word in? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk Exactly. Anyone can put down a gun, stop carrying a rifle. But you can't help who you are. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by MatterEaterLad My parents said that they had gun clubs at school in the 80's. I think that firearm education and safety is more important than about half of the curriculum they tried to teach me 15 years ago. I think that, as time goes on, (sadly) fear has become more rampant than education. People in power have attempted to limit things like barrel shrouds (AKA "shoulder thing that goes up"( despite having literally no knowledge on the subject. Obviously, media doesn't help anyone with all of the misinformation that's throw out there. I strongly encourage anyone who doesn't have knowledge and experience, to find someone they know, to teach them a thing or two and go to the range at least once. More than likely, you'll be surprised at what you find, and you'll probably be more surprised at how nice and helpful range-goers are. I'm not really on-board with any sort of licensing to procure a firearm, but even just a little test of the "4 rules of gun safety" would be an improvement to the current process. If every gun owner had those memorized, the situation you outlined before should have never happened ("should" being the operative word). Sorry for the rant. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Tedsaid Corrupt politicians should be intimidated. Not innocent people. This was already said. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk Hunting isn't beneficial? Protecting liberty isn't beneficial? Being able to defend yourself isn't beneficial? I mean, there's a reason that it's Amendment #2. Sadly, I didn't learn from history class in high school because I didn't pay attention, but I've read up on it enough to know where to draw the lines. I know, this thread got taken way off the rails, partly due to me. Sorry. If you got rid of all guns - that's one thing. A government of, "do what I say, not as I do" is too dangerous. Infringing on others' liberties over personal fears is not okay with me. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus Well, if you can figure out a way to walk into a crowd of a few hundred people, while armed to the teeth, and only intimidate the one or two who are "corrupt," then you are a smarter man than I. Until then, weapons should clearly not be allowed during protest marches and gatherings. Too much opportunity for these stupid people - your words - to hurt others. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Tedsaid How many people have been shot at armed and peaceful protests? I count 3 because of the NFAC who had negligent discharges. 1 person shot their own group - no bystanders. Should you fear the peacefully armed, or the unarmed riots? How many protesters have been abused by LEO because they had no recourse? Human nature is your foe - not inanimate tools. There have been hundreds, if not thousands, of armed protests this year alone. Liberty is greater than fear. Have you considered focusing on fixing America's mental health issues? Cure that, and the reasons for gun control almost completely disappear. |
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| @theCapraAegagrus Gun grabbers look at a firearm and are terrified by it. Those that have grown up around them or in my case have used them for most of our lives look at them as inanimate objects or tools. I give the same respect to my firearms, their storage, and use as I do to a hammer, a circular saw, or my vehicle. All of them have a purpose and all of them can cause damage if used incorrectly or by someone who hasn't been educated in their use. I find it interesting that people in military dress cause concerns for anyone. I guess everyone should shave their beards as they came back into fashion not too long after the guys in Special Operations started sporting them for the endless wars in the middle east. I don't think the numb nuts that "protest" while wearing black and carrying umbrellas with one on their face have ever figured that out. Better yet, we might wanna boycott The North Face as those same men began wearing their clothing in Afghanistan when it was impossible to use the crap the US military had stockpiled to wear when it got cold in the mountains at the beginning of that war. The brand made a big comeback not too long after that. If you don't believe me about the use of them then I suggest you talk to any of the guys in 5th Group who went there then. You'll be enlightened. (Personally, I thought we weren't supposed to judge nor be frightened by what people wear. I used an example of it in the above to highlight it). |
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk If we are talking mutants, then that would be tough to regulate and it not be a little creepy. But, if there was a process to give people superpowers, I can only imagine the battery of psychological testing and background testing that would need to be done before such a procedure. Can you imagine a Superman powered level hero who thought the earth was flat and he was racist or something? Or even a hero with dementia, schizophrenia or Alzheimer’s? Sentry kind of explored some of this, but imagine an aging sentry vaporizing a nurse because his mind was going. These are all very extreme and very fictional scenarios, but you certainly couldn’t just ignore it. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus Yeah, I said those things. Two of them specifically. Quote: Originally Posted by xkonk But my point is that with a gun, you're doing those things by attempting to kill someone. There is no harmless application like getting myself to work or building a house or making my headache go away. I'm saying that maybe when the only point of a thing is to kill, it could stand to have some rules around it. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk There are rules surrounding firearms. Making more laws restricts the right. The Constitution isn't there to give us our rights. We have them. The Constitution is there to make sure that the GOVERNMENT doesn't trample upon them. It doesn't matter what the object's use is. Good, bad, or indifferent. That plays no part in the discussion of ones rights under the US Constitution. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by MatterEaterLad You paint your father-in-law with mental health issues as someone who maybe shouldn't carry a firearm. Why? Do you believe he a danger to himself or others? If so, why haven't you contacted his mental health professional about it? Why haven't you contacted the court and sought a mental hold for an evaluation for him? Maybe his meds are well managed and he isn't a danger to himself or others? Just because one has a mental illness it doesn't preclude them from owning firearms. |
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| . Ironically, the banishment of a gun is ultimately enforced by a gun. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater We have. We obtained power of attorney long ago and do our best to make sure he gets to his counseling and doctor appointments, takes his meds, etc. He's a nice guy. But he's in that grey area of mental health where he hasn't hurt anyone or himself, so he's not considered dangerous, and lives on his own. He went to the airport to catch a flight and showed up at security not remembering that he was armed, so I always worry that he's going to forget a loaded gun on the bus, or in a store. He's not what you would consider dangerous, but dangerously irresponsible. And it stunned me that he was able to obtain his CCP on his own. |
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| @MatterEaterLad You just stated that he wasn't a danger to himself or others. Although you haven't stated that he hasn't had a court adjudicate that he can't have firearms I am guessing that this isn't the case. How would the governmental agency that issued the concealed weapons permit know anything about his heath mental or any other health issues he might or might not have? If he can pass whatever the standard, i.e., testing and background check your state has set up then he's going to be issued one. Mental health information just like other heath information isn't shared with an agency unless order by law or a court. Kind of like a operators permit. |
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| Guns? Okay but don't forget to vote! lol. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater Thank you for making my point for me. He was discharged from the Air Force after a year for mental health reasons, he's harassed politicians online and in person, he's wandered off and been found living on someone's doorstep while they were on vacation, he's on a host of anti-psychotic meds, and he always has 2-3 guns in his car that he never remembers to lock. He tried to board a plane with a handgun. Our system of background checks takes none of that into consideration. And to Robo's point...Team Cap. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by MatterEaterLad OK, I’m confused. I don't know you from Adam. From your posts, and if I am understanding this correctly, you seem to have concerns about his mental health, but knowingly allow him to keep firearms on his person, in his vehicle, and I guess in his home. He has shown up at an airport with a firearm, and leaves his firearms in locations that are not secure. He has harassed elected officials. You are aware of all of this and have power of attorney over him. Having just reread what I wrote, and if it is correct understanding of what you have conveyed, I think I'm going to exit the conversation with you at this point. |
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| Some of y'all need to ponder on this one. You are not your thoughts/ideas. I know it's heavy, but Cap or Iron... | ||
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