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| @Tedsaid One has to wonder how much of the article you linked to was a reshaping of Microsoft/Gate's history. Paul Allen's book paints things a bit differently and paints Gates differently. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jabberwookie In Civil War, the X-Men were against registration because they know what happens every time the government has tried to do something with mutants. Maybe it starts with something innocent, like "don't we all deserve to know who's a mutant?", but it always ends with Sentinels. Heck, the government was already watching them with Sentinels when the series started, and went to watch them help pick up Stamford. The Sentinels didn't help pick up, they just monitored the X-Men. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk Thanks for that reminder. I was on a limited budget so had to be picky on what I picked up back in those days. I still think the X-Men should have played a much bigger part for all the reasons you stated. |
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| TIME OUT! Y'all taking about Bill Gates, the US Mail?! WTF. Some ADHD going on here... I might care but don't. Comic themed film question was - in the film Civil War who ya voting Captain America or Iron Man. I saw it as you want a bigger governmental control or less government control. Not a Captain America fan but in that film I was all in with him. And I'm not a fan of Bill Gates - isn't he like into the devil now? And the US mail - I like the stamps sometimes... I voted did you? If you voted for Gates, US mail, the hulk, punisher, Reed, Captain Canuck or you don't like either - I don't know what else to tell ya - but Capatin America or Iron Man in Civil War movie. Pick one. The US election is coming up soon and some of you may have some real issues in the booth based on your performance here. This is practice... choose one. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySeller I know a lot of people think that. And I'm not saying that money doesn't motivate people to a degree. Of course it does. It's the reward for hard work. But it's not the only reward, and it's certainly not the main reward ... especially once you reach a certain level. That's why I used the example of Jeff Bezos. He literally makes $2 billion dollars a week. That is such an astonishing amount of money as to be virtually meaningless. His life won't change at all if, next week, he only makes $1 billion. Or $1 million. If you made $100,000 dollars a year, which is a damn good salary, it would take you over 20,000 years to make what Bezos pulls down in a week. He's not working 20,000 x 52 times harder; and he's not working 20,000 x 52 times smarter. He could coast now, but he's not ... because it's not about the money. Quote: Originally Posted by robo As for Civil War, I disagree. Government control is something that is needed, when people live together in a community. "Government" is just our word for collective management of our shared space. Or as my Political Science professor said: Politics is the art of sharing scarce resources. When I exercise my freedoms, it often affects other people's freedom. My freedom to walk around naked could impinge on your freedom to not see naked guys walking around. And so we have to be mindful of that; and government exists so EVERYONE has to be mindful of that fairly - in the same way, the same rules for everyone. It can go too far, or not far enough; but it's absolutely necessary to have some form of government control. But Civil War and the registration of mutants wasn't about freedom or control. It was about racism. Mutants were treated the way black people or Jews have historically been treated. And it was specifically written as an metaphor for that. The mutant registration act harkens back to pre-WW II Germany, where populism was used to stoke fears; to drive policy through emotional, not rational, impulses; and to divide a country. Registration isn't about keeping people safe, ultimately; it's about keeping "those people" in line. Captain America saw that, but Iron Man wasn't able to. He wasn't able to see past his fear of the unknown, and his desire to keep people safe. And so the idea of super-powered mutants walking around triggered his authoritarian impulses. He wanted to stop them before they even did anything, just based on the fear of the worst possible hypothetical of what they could do. He didn't believe it was about racism, because for him, it wasn't. But there were some unconscious biases going on. Biases and unconscious bigotry that even one of the smartest men in the world can fall prey to. So yeah, I'm with Captain America, all the way. And so, in the end, is Tony Stark! Because people can learn and change and grow. It's a great story. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater What does it say about Gates? I haven't read it. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by MatterEaterLad and usps like other postal services had at one point like to resort to shipping by surface (boat) because they could not get their packages on airfreight |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Tedsaid Chalking registration up to racism kind of ignores the leveled neighborhoods, destroyed cities and tens of thousands dead at the hands of super-powers. Is that what brought about the racism, or was it always there regardless of the carnage? Is there a number of dead civilians the Marvel Universe could reach that would make it necessary to register super-powered beings who insist on use their powers in public and populated places? By the way @Tedsaid, I can see this discussion moving to gun ownership and you and I are both probably going to have to explain why our positions on dangerous super-powered beings should not apply to gun owners, lol. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by robo Team Cap. As far as Bill Gates, I was never really a fan, then I spent a month working at an AIDS clinic in a bush village in Tanzania, and most of the drugs and anti-malarials that we were passing out were purchased and donated by the Gates Foundation. The rest were donated by the Clinton Foundation. Is there a Bezos Foundation? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySeller I don't remember the instigating event in Civil War. Was it bad? I'm thinking the one who caused all that damage should probably be put away, and not allowed to do that any more. But I guess that was the point of Civil War ... Tony wanted to stop people and control them BEFORE they caused any damage, and Steve felt like that was punishing people who hadn't done anything yet. Quote: Originally Posted by EbaySeller lol ... well, I'm okay with a LOT more gun control. It's absurd the lengths we've gone to, to fetishize gun ownership. No one, literally no one, needs a high-capacity semi-automatic rifle. Most people shouldn't have hand guns. It causes WAY more problems and death and crime than it solves. The founding fathers were talking about "a well-regulated militia." We need to go back to that. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Tedsaid I would be literally banned if I responded to this post the way I'd like to do so. However, I will point out that your thoughts didn't track with the latest decision that was handed down in reference to the hi-capacity magazine ban in CA. |
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| @Tedsaid The triggering event for Civil War was the new warriors, as part of some reality show, went after nitro and he exploded next to a school or playground. Tony, after meeting one of the parents of a victim, came to embrace a more regulated attempt at having super heroes. I apologize if I muddied the caster here, but mutants and the X-Men didn’t real factor into the argument. I just thought it would have more sense for it to be an avengers versus X-Men based civil war, but they chose cap and tony. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jabberwookie Hmmm ... I wonder if they did that because it was *about* the mutants. So they had to have two people take different sides, in a way that neither had a personal stake? |
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| @Jabberwookie's summary is right (I reread the first half of the series today). It wasn't about the X-Men because it was an Avengers story; Tony jumped on the registration train and Cap was against it. Everyone else had their own opinions and lined up on the appropriate side. The X-Men actually are explicitly neutral. They sure aren't going to join Team Tony, but they agree to not join Team Cap because M-Day happened recently and they don't want a fight with the government. They do have a mini-series but it's completely separate from all the other action. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Tedsaid My Civil War info only comes from the MCU...in that case the destruction was pretty bad. Quote: Originally Posted by Tedsaid Ironically, my number one reason for needing one is so that other people can't decide for me what I need and don't need. I figure once I give that up, there's nothing that can't be taken away from me on the basis of my not needing it. I don't need 2 cars, I don't need 3 bedrooms, I don't need 2 children... I enjoy the discussion though. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk Ah, thanks for that reminder. This was back when Marvel was really pushing the Avengers. They put Spidey on the team, wolverine, and it was getting all the attention. But, to Ted's earlier point, it definitely borrowed a little from the Mutant Registration Act stuff that was in the 80s. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Tedsaid Yikes. Why do you think the 2A was ratified? What do you think a militia is? What is your interpretation of, "shall not be infringed"? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus "A well-regulated militia" is the actual quote. And for 200 years that's how it was interpreted. It's only been very recently that the NRA and others have pushed this idea that guns can't be regulated at all. Anyway, you asked about a militia. A militia is a civilian military force, like the state national guard units or the reserves. They can also be private forces, which have risen up since the 1990's, but these are clearly not "well-regulated." However you define it, it's also pretty clear that these protestors carrying around semi-automatic rifles, dressed pseudo-military garb, are doing so for pure intimidation. They should all be arrested and have their firearms confiscated. It's absurd that governors and mayors feel like these are reasonable forms of protest, and that police forces give them a pass. Nothing good comes from confrontations among armed protestors. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Tedsaid "...well-regulated" means to be disciplined/trained. "...shall not be infringed" refers to not being legislatively regulated. Just FYI. The NRA historically supports gun control, since 1986, so you're incorrect on that front. The NRA is a joke. They do almost nothing to defend your Constitutional rights. The only thing they're good for is funding State Ranges, as some sort of national 'face' for gun owners to throw their money at. Tyrants should feel intimidated. That's exactly why the 2A was ratified. Protesting is protected by 1A. Open-carry is protected by 2A. If you're actually doing your job as a politician, then you should have no fear. You swear an oath to the Constitution. Nobody should be arrested, or have their property stolen, for exercising their rights. <- Another reason why the 2A is there. Let's stop using "semi-automatic rifles" as a talking point. |
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| @Tedsaid You are way more patient than I am. I think one of my pet peeves is people read all or part of the constitution and don’t read any opinions the court set out. To the best of my knowledge, there have been no absolutists on the court since Hugo Black. I always try to use the first amendment to show that no amendment is absolute. We can all have our opinions what an amendment says, but the courts opinion is the one that matters. The false dichotomy of people who think they are for “freedom” versus those who are not ignores a lot of sticky questions on the fringes. We have freedom of speech, but famously yelling “fire” in a crowded theater is not protected. We restrict people from putting instructions on how to build dirty bombs on the internet. We don’t want someone gathering the names of all undercover police officers and publishing their names, addresses and names of family members. Everyone likes freedom, but balancing it with responsibility and public safety is where the rubber meets the road. It’s not always correct or clean, but it’s why we try to follow the rule of law. |
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| Let's not pretend that I am an extremist, either. I think that "destructive devices" need to be regulated. Should a revolution be necessary; It's CQB. The government would lose all support (and, by default, the conflict) from its people should they start bombing on home soil. So would The People, if they had their hands on such weapons, and used them. Simple and concise: Anything that benefits the government in CQB ("small arms"( should not be infringed. The fact that safety devices, like suppressors, are regulated just shows how incompetent and overreached gun control currently is. "Do as I say; Not as I do" isn't a good motto for our 'leaders'. |
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| So if your superpower is on the scale of small arms you're team Cap but if you're more of a rocket launcher you're team Iron Man? I struggle to think of many examples of superpowers that don't benefit in close quarters. Maybe x-ray vision? If you have x-ray vision you should be regulated by the government, but if you have psychic powers (which you can use to read your close-quarter opponent's intentions and thus improve your fighting ability) you should not be regulated. |
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| . It would be impossible to regulate super-powered beings. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck I love The Boys, but that thought always bubbles up as I'm watching. Why would super-powered beings follow the whims of a board of directors? Why would they care about their shareholder value? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus Please. Let's not pretend that the reason they are "exercising their right" to carry a semi-automatic weapons in the state house or at a protest, is to protect free speech. If anything, it is to intimidate - with force of death - other protestors, or government officials. And threatening to kill people is not protected speech. Though I do think it's odd that you try to define all government officials and representatives as "tyrants." Such hostility towards government shows, I think, why you want to have such weapons. Insurrection and sedition, by the way, are not protected by the constitution either. So I'm not sure what sort of tyranny you are expecting to fight. The tyranny of masks? Of quarantines? Quote: Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus Why? That's what they are carrying around, for the intimidation factor. Or, I suppose, to kill "Antifa." Which doesn't exist. Anyway, your "right" to go around threatening to shoot people infringes on my right to feel safe in public. That's what regulations are for: to balance conflicting rights among the people.    |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Tedsaid Let's not pretend that you can protect the 1A without the 2A. Tyrants should be intimidated. "All government officials"? Let's not use straw-men, either. Are you equally afraid of semi-automatic pistols? Antifa doesn't exist? I can't have a reasonable debate with someone so indoctrinated. I'll see myself out. Open-carrying is not threatening to innocent people. Facts don't care about feelings. /end P.S. One of those pictures is of bolt-action rifles. LOL. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus Heh ... well, you can't go around intimidating "tyrants" without also intimidating everyone else walking around. Please, let's not pretend everyone is supposed to read your mind and know you have perfect judgment, and will only use your weapon for good. I don't know how you expect people to know if they are, or are not, the ones being "intimidated." And you call me the unreasonable one? Sheesh. |
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