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Collector MrNotSoNice private msg quote post Address this user
I saw a raw Tales of Suspense #59 4.0 for sale on eBay for $85 plus $7 shipping. I don't happen to have this book and I've always admired the cover. Would like to have a nice graded copy, but a 4.0 is probably good enough.

ComicsPriceGuide.com values it at $63, whether raw or graded the same (weird).

CovrPrice shows a 4.0 2020 slabbed sale at $100, and raw sales all over the map from $25 to about $60.

eBay completed sales shows a slabbed 5.0 at $110 and a slabbed 5.5 at $130, freight included.

Slabbing all-in could cost around $50 (freight round trip, no pressing, etc.) plus the hassle.

Not sure how to proceed. Could offer the seller something like $35, but that seems like low-balling. Could just look around for a higher grade north of $100 (probably what I'll end up doing). I like the online seller, and he has sent me excellent books in the past.

What to do, gentlemen?
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Collector Bronte private msg quote post Address this user
@MrNotSoNice

I'd be severely annoyed if you offered me 35 on an asking 85$ . To me, and this is just my opinion, although I would be polite to you, I'd be very adverse to giving in at all after a offer like that. I'd rather just hold on to it than give in to something like that.
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@MrNotSoNice

I'd be severely annoyed if you offered me 35 on an asking 85$ . To me, and this is just my opinion, although I would be polite to you, I'd be very adverse to giving in at all after a offer like that. I'd rather just hold on to it than give in to something like that.


lol beat me too it Bron
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TRA LA LA esaravo private msg quote post Address this user
@MrNotSoNice - If you like the book and the seller, offer in the $60-65 range. When you submit for grading, never send in one book. The best bang for your buck is to submit in multiples of 5. By spreading out the cost of shipping (to and from CBCS), you can lower your slabbing cost to around $30-35 per book (pre-1975). Also watch for promotions that can bring down grading costs further.
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Collector CatCovers private msg quote post Address this user
@Bronte Concur. That never puts me in a bargaining mood. Sometimes I ignore, sometimes I decline, sometimes I counter with $1 below my original price. But I don't think I've ever made a deal starting out that way.
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Collector MrNotSoNice private msg quote post Address this user
@Bronte and others,

Well, I agree. I am not in this hobby to be a low-balling jerk to anyone. So, should I just move on? Not an urgent purchase. Just something I saw from a seller I like and have bought from before. To add a bit, I counter offered and got my price from him before (about a third off, but purchased a few). I am not trying to be an offer-counter buyer with him, but maybe his strategy is to over-price, then see what happens. Dunno.

I guess I am mainly surprised that the math doesn't seem to be working in this case.
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Collector Bronte private msg quote post Address this user
Personally I feel that just about any book will be graded at some point. Then you don't need to deal with a guess as to whether the person is accurate in their grading ability, or worse the dreaded restoration.

However, I can be patient, each person is different, you need to decide if you can wait for a graded one to pop up.


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Math doesn't always add up. However, decency and respect go a long way. Getting a bargain is not always the end all deciding factor. Not saying you will make friends with the person, but a friendly mutual respect when something you really want comes up, can be healthy. Again, this is just a personal thing. Everyone is entitled to make their own choices and live with their consequences. I just have an eternal guilty conscience....
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Collector 00slim private msg quote post Address this user
I’d also suggest saving a little and going with around a 7.0. If you’re patient, you can get one in grade for under $200 at auction,
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Collector Terry88 private msg quote post Address this user
I find people selling raw books for the "graded" price infuriating.

Why should the buyer take all the risk?
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Collector BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by Terry88
I find people selling raw books for the "graded" price infuriating.

Why should the buyer take all the risk?



Agreed

I find it odd that sellers feel like they are owed a profit. Books are only worth what someone is willing to pay for them. No more, No Less.

Ive bought and sold lots of books. Many of my best transactions(Buying or Selling, have started with what many people complain as "Low Ball" offers.

I welcome any and all offers for any books I have listed
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Collector EbaySeller private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by MrNotSoNice
I saw a raw Tales of Suspense #59 4.0 for sale on eBay for $85 plus $7 shipping. I don't happen to have this book and I've always admired the cover. Would like to have a nice graded copy, but a 4.0 is probably good enough.


If it's a true 4.0 I think the sellers price is pretty spot-on. If you've bought from them before and like them you really should have a way to contact them directly. A direct sale at $75 plus shipping would probably be a decent deal for everyone.

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Originally Posted by Terry88
I find people selling raw books for the "graded" price infuriating.

Why should the buyer take all the risk?


Raw books at MCS sell for well above slabbed price all the time. The seller can ask for whatever they want, but getting their price is usually a matter of reputation. If the seller is reputable, the buyers risk obviously is much lower.
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Collector xkonk private msg quote post Address this user
Slabbing doesn't always have to add value. If you slabbed some random book from a random run, would anyone want to pay $20 for it? If the person is a regular seller they probably priced it based on what they paid and what they think they can get.

As far as it goes, mycomicshop has their own copy of TOS 59 in 1.8 for $60, or a consignment 3.0 for $99.95. So your seller is looking pretty good.
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Collector xkonk private msg quote post Address this user
My personal confusing slab/raw situation is NYX 3. I see raws go for $400-500 all the time, which is what NM- slabs go for (maybe even a 9.6 on a low day). It's a modern so your chances of a NM- are decent, but it's a tough cover to see bends or nicks on. Why spend the same amount for a raw?
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Collector GAC private msg quote post Address this user
Sellers can price their raw or slabbed books any way they want. As a buyer, you have the option of trying to negotiate or simply move on to the next book. There can be a dozen reasons why a seller is choosing that selling price....as a buyer it's certainly nothing to get upset at.
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Collector 00slim private msg quote post Address this user
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My personal confusing slab/raw situation is NYX 3. I see raws go for $400-500 all the time, which is what NM- slabs go for (maybe even a 9.6 on a low day). It's a modern so your chances of a NM- are decent, but it's a tough cover to see bends or nicks on. Why spend the same amount for a raw?


People overpay for raw copies, thinking a Press will fix it & it’ll be a 9.6 or 9.8. It’s a gamble on their part. One that doesn’t usually pay off.

I still see people complain about the final grade when books have obvious color breaks.
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Collector southerncross private msg quote post Address this user
I'd pay $75 for 4.0 tos 59 but that's just me. I use to own that book and sold a copy in that grade about 7 years ago for $50 so a $25 bump in 7 years wouldn't bother me.
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Collector moodswing private msg quote post Address this user
I always struggle on what to offer for raws compared to slabbed copies. I don't trust most graders and so I tend to look for the book already slabbed. Only problem is when I run into books I want that there is not a lot of slabbed copies available since the book is not as popular or is under the radar.
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Collector jaysonslade private msg quote post Address this user
@Bronte I’m actually the opposite. I don’t mind the lowball offers because I see an awful lot of sellers trying to highball buyers by putting outrageous prices on their books with Buy It Now or Best Offer. These sellers are the ones conditioning the buyers into using a legit bid and it coming across as a lowball. Unfortunately there’s no way to expect that the buyers are gonna research the sellers independently of the books before they bid. So I’m just glad they offer anything. And I can always set it to automatically decline an actual lowball. And it’s been my experience that if I counter with a $1 less amount that the bidder will likely never want to make an offer on my items again. Just my opinion. And declining the offer is easy. I never get riled up because automatic decline will likely weed out all the riff raft. But I can’t stress enough that this is simply my opinion. And even though I’ve had several thousands of positive transactions, that may be that bidder’s first experience with me. I’d hate to have it be their last. Especially if the bidder was so new as to think the lowball (if it actually is) will work. And if it works... good for them.
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