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I'm good with splotches. Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user
I'm looking to send in a few books with the Labor Day VSP.
I purchased this at the Bongo booth at SDCC many years ago.
When I went to submit, I figured I could just do the "Slab Only" option which is $20, but the Modern grading option is $18.
I don't understand. Why is it more expensive to just slab a book than to actually have it slabbed AND graded?

Secondly - Under the assumption that the VSP passes, I assume no deductions from grade based on the remarque on the cover?
Lastly - the limited number on this (26 of 200) - again - assumption is no deduction in grade?




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Beaten by boat oars Studley_Dudley private msg quote post Address this user
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Secondly - Under the assumption that the VSP passes, I assume no deductions from grade based on the remarque on the cover?
Lastly - the limited number on this (26 of 200) - again - assumption is no deduction in grade?


This I can answer. I have had sketch covers graded under the VSP program, and the remark or numbering will not count against the grade as long as the signature passes verification. Very cool book by the way. I still laugh my butt off at classic Simpsons.
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COLLECTOR dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user
@Nuffsaid111 The Newbie’s Guide is a good first stop for most submission questions.


There you will find information like this:

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Add Verified:
This option is to be used when the signature in question was not witnessed, whether it was a signature you got at a convention 40 years ago or a signed book you bought online. These signatures are verified by Beckett, CBCS' parent company (no longer CSA as stated on the instructions page). A few things to know about this option.




6. If a signature is accompanied by a sketch, the signature can be verified but no such claims can be made about the art itself. Basically CBCS/Beckett can say the signature is verified but will not claim that the art was done by the signee. That said, if the signature is verified, then the sketch will not be counted against the grade of the book.


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CBCS introduced the Slab-Only option last year but never really provided many details nor is it mentioned at all on CBCS' web site. I've been hassling CBCS for answers and I think I've finally got it all sorted it out for everyone!


What is it?
The slab-only option is meant as a low-cost way to get your unwitnessed signatures verified if you're not particularly interested in the grade.


How much does it cost?
The Slab-Only option is a flat $20 regardless of age and Insured value (only available for books valued $4000 and less). This fee includes slabbing and verification for 1 signature. Additional signatures can be added for $15 each


What else do I need to know?
CBCS' online submission form is not currently set up to handle Slab-Only submissions. When you add a Verified Signature to a slab-only book, the website will add the regular $25 fee for signature verification. The cost on the invoice should be adjusted once CBCS receives the book.

Slab-Only books do not receive a full restoration check but it will be noted if the book has issues, like a counterfit.

The "Encapsulate even if Verification Fails" option does not apply to this service. If the book fails verification, it will not be slabbed.

Slab-Only books count as VSP submissions as far as promotions are concerned, so the March/April 2020 promo would discount a Slab-Only book to a mere $15

Happy collecting!
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I'm good with splotches. Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user
@dielinfinite @Studley_Dudley Thank you!

I suppose the one conundrum is the $20 slab only vs. $18 graded.
It seems really really odd that a Slab only is more expensive than a Graded comic. I undertand it's a flat fee of $20 for any year, but in the end one is paying more for a Slab only on a modern than a graded modern.

I mine as well just save the $2, and get it graded.
There's a labor charge with grading books so this just, quite frankly, is not logical.
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I live in RI and Rhode Islanders eat chili with beans. esaravo private msg quote post Address this user
@Nuffsaid111 - If I read @dielinfinite's post correctly, the slab only option would cost you $20 and include the verification of one signature and slabbing costs. The $18 grading fee includes grading and slabbing, but you would have to add another $25 for the signature verification charge. There is a promo going on for $5 off that fee, but slab only is still a much cheaper option.

PS - Let me know if I am wrong, Jon.
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I'm good with splotches. Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user
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@Nuffsaid111 - If I read @dielinfinite's post correctly, the slab only option would cost you $20 and include the verification of one signature and slabbing costs. The $18 grading fee includes grading and slabbing, but you would have to add another $25 for the signature verification charge. There is a promo going on for $5 off that fee, but slab only is still a much cheaper option.

PS - Let me know if I am wrong, Jon.


Thank you soooooooo much. I get it now. My bad. Makes total sense now
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Hi, just speculating here, but a modern grade is $18 and a verified signature is another $5, so you're paying $23 actually. Doing the math one could assume the case and slab process is the most expensive part of modern books, roughly $15, the grader costs $3.

Anyway, if you use the sale your oeuvre should be $15 for just a slab.
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I'm good with splotches. Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user
One last question (apologies for so many), but is the VSP Slab only option also a Yellow label? Or is it a Beckett Red Label?
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I live in RI and Rhode Islanders eat chili with beans. esaravo private msg quote post Address this user
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Hi, just speculating here, but a modern grade is $18 and a verified signature is another $5, so you're paying $23 actually. Doing the math one could assume the case and slab process is the most expensive part of modern books, roughly $15, the grader costs $3.

Anyway, if you use the sale your oeuvre should be $15 for just a slab.


The first verified signature is $25, not $5 (that's for witnessed signatures).

@Nuffsaid111 - I am going to assume that CBCS/Beckett no longer is using the red label for anything at this time.
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@Nuffsaid111 - If I read @dielinfinite's post correctly, the slab only option would cost you $20 and include the verification of one signature and slabbing costs. The $18 grading fee includes grading and slabbing, but you would have to add another $25 for the signature verification charge. There is a promo going on for $5 off that fee, but slab only is still a much cheaper option.

PS - Let me know if I am wrong, Jon.


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How much does it cost?
The Slab-Only option is a flat $20 regardless of age and Insured value (only available for books valued $4000 and less). This fee includes slabbing and verification for 1 signature. Additional signatures can be added for $15 each




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One last question (apologies for so many), but is the VSP Slab only option also a Yellow label? Or is it a Beckett Red Label?


It would be a yellow label. The guide has red labels in the images because that is what was being used at the time the guide was written
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If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8. xkonk private msg quote post Address this user
Someone can correct me on this, but I think the sketch can hurt the grade if the act of drawing damaged the book. As in, the sketch itself is fine as long as the signature passes, but if the artist pushed on the book and caused creases/dents then the grade would drop. Does that sound right?

On the other hand, signed/sketched books can be pressed as long as the artist didn't use anything that responds poorly to the process (which I think would be unusual).
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Someone can correct me on this, but I think the sketch can hurt the grade if the act of drawing damaged the book. As in, the sketch itself is fine as long as the signature passes, but if the artist pushed on the book and caused creases/dents then the grade would drop. Does that sound right?


That's correct.
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Thank you sir. May I have another? Siggy private msg quote post Address this user
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6. If a signature is accompanied by a sketch, the signature can be verified but no such claims can be made about the art itself. Basically CBCS/Beckett can say the signature is verified but will not claim that the art was done by the signee. That said, if the signature is verified, then the sketch will not be counted against the grade of the book.


Booo. Anyone with artist abilities can draw a half-ass con-style sketch on a cover. Frank Miller spends what, 20 seconds sketching a cover? Less? And it looks like he holds the pen with his feet.
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It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
In my opinion, the slab only option is a great option if the majority of the value is in the signature. I slab only modern (non-expensive) books. I have a cut off of around $100. If the book costs less than $100 then I'll slab only.

It's a great option to provide. Another example of CBCS seeing a need and satisfying that need....a hobby friendly company.

EDIT: @Nuffsaid111 Your book is definitely worth grading. Awesome!!
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Masculinity takes a holiday. EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user
I have a hard time understanding why CBCS would offer Signature Verification and slabbing for less than the cost of Signature Verification alone. It's either a mistake or it's smartly strategic. I can't really imagine it's a mistake, because the Slab Only option alone should not cost more than the modern grading option. So I assume it must be intentional. If the reason for the low price to get the program going and get these Slab Only books out on the market, then it's a wise decision. Getting these slabs on the resell market is valuable marketing for CBCS. Getting the industry to recognize that CBCS offers an ungraded Signature Verification program could pay off nicely for the company.
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