What is this? And can I remove it?12701
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So I ordered a Fantastic Four sketch cover right? And in the picture used it never showed this. I’m assuming it’s like a protective cover, but what if I wanted to get it graded? It doesn’t appear to have an easy way to remove it.     |
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| I believe that white outer cover is actually added on all new blanks during production but for some reason companies have been leaving it on sketch covers. Some artists seem to like it because it protect the art while they are working on it. Yes, you can remove it without hurting the grade. Quote: Originally Posted by SteveRicketts |
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 Thank you sir. May I have another?
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| Added protection- I'd leave it. It should still qualify for grading. | ||
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 Suck it up, buttercup!!
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| Grading companies will remove it for you. Ive only had 3 foil books with those and all came back 9.8 | ||
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| I have a Lady Death 1/2 Wizard from 90s and had that to protect it and that goodness i got my cover graded at the beginning of cbcs and got a 9.9.I would leave it. | ||
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| CBCS will remove it at grade. | ||
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| Respectfully, I completely disagree. I would have to say that if it is under the staples it is part of the book. If it’s got the logo (faint as it might be) printed on the front, it’s part of the book. The same as a Mark Jewelers insert is not (but it is) part of the book it’s not a part of, except that it is. Lol. A poly bag? Nope. That’s “around” a book. A trading card, nope. That’s next to a book. But Mark Jewelers or Mennen inserts... that’s part of the book. Tattoos?? That’s a little different because in that case the cover actually states it’s included so it’s part of the book. But a second cover is a second cover if it’s under the staples. No doubt in my mind that in years to come (it may take a while... lol), but these will be the most sought after rarest of the rare if grading companies are removing them. Just think... some of us (yes “us”... that’s me) removed those nasty Lakeside Tattooz and Merk Jewelers inserts back in the early 80s to make them look nicer!! Oh dear. Not this time. Not me anyway. At least I‘d hold back for a while on sending those in to any company that removes them. Give it a few years. The trend may shift. The market will dictate. We might just see a new trend as time passes. I mean... I never thought we’d be searching out those ugly UPC code newsstand issues when the cleaner nicer Spidey logo was available. Am I wrong? As a hardcover book collector also, anytime an original printed band was available around the dust jacket on a particular printing of a book, that printed band usually commands as much value as the book itself, purely because most of them were removed and discarded. Probably because it wasn’t “part of the book.” Thoughts or opinions?? I surely hope I’m not the only one that feels this way. But if I am... I guess we shall see. I can’t wait to read all the opinions. 1-2-3 GO!!!! | ||
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Suck it up, buttercup!!
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| @jaysonslade no logo - this is just a thin piece of 'see through' paper. I've only ever seen them on sketch covers and foil covers. Not sure why it's on sketch covers (protect from scuffing??) for foils it is there to protect from finger prints etc - foils are super easy to mess up!! lol!! who knows! maybe people will start saying it IS part of the book and should be left on! For now though I think all grading houses remove it for you (without you even having to ask!) and if it were to become "part of the book" I think they would start making them without the sheet - cause who wants to look at a cover though a thin piece of paper??!! |
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 If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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| I've seen people slabbing blank, unsketched books and it makes absolutely no sense to me. The book is meant to be written on, and you put it in a slab so that it never will be? If people start wanting to collect books with something that deliberately hides the cover I might have to ditch the hobby. To address the OP, @dielinfinite nailed it. I wouldn't take it off myself; leave it to the artist or graders. |
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| @xkonk yeah slabbing blank covers that don’t have a sketch or a signature on it is pretty weird. I plan to draw on it before I send it in tho. | ||
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| U might think about asking cbcs before u start drawing on it.I still think its just to protect the blank cover.Some of my blank covers are the same. | ||
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| @jaysonslade I guess but Like it’s just like some tissue paper that would be covering up my art. At least for sketch covers. Like I like that it will keep the sketch cover and my art clean. But I 100% want it to be removed when graded and encapsulated. So people can actually see what I drew. Plus at least in the case of sketch covers I think the value would actually decrease because people want to see the piece of art they just got. | ||
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This had a cover |
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| As many have said, it's just a protective sheet meant to protect the cover. I've seen it on Marvel sketch covers, but not many other companies' ones. It's incredibly easy to carefully take off (the artist that did my Silver Surfer Black did this, and it still graded a 9.8), or you can just fold the sheet back on itself (the artist that did my Savage Avengers cover did this). | ||
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This is Thanos cover i have with blank cover with clear sheet. |
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Thank you sir. May I have another?
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| It's possible Marvel accounted for the chance the book will never be slabbed, and that the owner wants to keep the added protection since all they'd have to do is take it out of the Mylar to view any art. Quote: Originally Posted by jaysonslade I assume you mean on the inside. It's a good thing you didn't include two-sided ads. Or did you? |
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| For clarity... I never said I agree with keeping a comic covered up in tissue paper and not enjoying it. I also never said to not display and enjoy your sketch covers. I did say that I thought it had a logo printed on it, but I see now that was clearly the logo on the cover showing through the tissue paper. I'm totally into collector doing whatever they want... because I do whatever I want. And I would never ever ever ever under any circumstance threaten to drop the hobby that's given me 45+ years of enjoyment just because of how other people choose to collect... but... but... but... I did say to be careful what you are tearing off that's "born" under the staples if you're a blue label junkie that shrieks at the sight of a green label because I wouldn't put it past "a third party grading company" to someday "possibly" start trying to change collection philosophy by calling something incomplete if something has been removed. Example: a cut coupon that doesn't affect the story vs 2-3 wraps missing and them both getting a .5 and/or green label is not cool at all. As if in any world those things are equal. For the record... I use the grading system for what I feel like it was originally designed for. To help assure comics are viewed in essentially the same manner when discussing prices and values across great distances. (I bought my AF15, HULK 1, TOS39, TTA27, FF1, XM1 and SPM1 out of the CBG from a guy I'd never met before that placed a short liner ad that read something like "AF15 G/VG $550" or something close to that. We are spoiled with all the grading stuff we have at our fingertips. AND I LOVE IT! With graded comics, it's kinda almost virtually impossible to buy a comic and get home and there be missing pages (like my Superman 4) or coupons missing or married pieces. There's also very little if any chance of missing restoration or whether it's a later printing. I buy graded comics nowadays because overall, I just trust the grading systems, by and large, more than the half hearted opinions of Joe-Random the Comic Book Seller I just met online and have not developed a relationship with. So against what I perceive as "popular opinion" these days, it seems like there might be a reduction of comic book collectors and instead a lot of container collectors and label collectors. I'm not saying I don't buy my fair share of "9.8 white" moderns. And I'm not saying that I don't search high and low for the highest label possible for my "keeper copy" of most modern books. But what I am saying is that I wouldn't jump the gun at thinking it's gonna always be ok to remove anything on a comic, if you are buying it to resell. Because there are many aspects of comic collecting that have shifted in the last 45 years. If I'm buying a comic to sell... I think I'll just store it for a few years until I feel like I'm really sure on how the market will react. And yes... I do have a memory or two that haunt me to this day of tearing out tattooz and what I seem to recall as a "gold ring jewelry ad" because the stiffer cardboard in the top portion of the centerfold of the spine made it too difficult for my little hands to keep the comic rolled up when I looked at it. But we learn what we learn. And for better or worse, it helps us make the decisions we make all these years later. And if any of you wonder what I'd do with a sketch cover? I'd rip the tissue off, grade it, and enjoy it as piece of art on the wall or shelf, regardless of the grade. For me, the cases the grading companies use are the perfect storage device for handling, hanging, showing, walking around with, moving, storing and/or enjoying a comic with. And I say "regardless of the grade" because for me a 9.2-9.8 doesn't matter if I have the original art of the sketch. But, to be clear, I don't usually collect sketches or signatures on comics. To me it just seems wrong. Books have feelings (lol) and we shouldn't be writing on them. I collect the rarest best condition copies of particular appearances that I can find and afford. I don't like them written or drawn on. That's what my sketch book is for. And I don't get sigs for resale. Just doesn't seem right. But that's a whole other post. If any of you made it this far... thanks for reading. And keep collecting! | ||
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