Cautionary notice about CGC character labels.12481
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Quote:Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus I can’t like this enough. I’m sure they have value for some people, but I just want a fairly accurate appraisal by an objective third party grader. I know what Spidey looks like. He’s on the cover. |
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 Thank you sir. May I have another?
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| I haven't seen his level of 'deflecting the blame' in awhile, if ever. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by kon_jelly I’ll do you one better: Why is Gamora? |
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 If I could, I would. I swear.
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Quote:Originally Posted by CFP_Comics Dupe Cackle is an Overstreet advisor? |
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So glad Rob Liefeld boycotted the Deadpool label. I follow whatever he says. This isn't going to be an issue for me.  |
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 I'm good with splotches.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jabberwookie What is Gamora |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatsonNo, the eBay seller dylanauctions is an advisor as of 2017. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by steveinthecity Isn't dylanauctions Danny Dupcak? |
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I'm good with splotches.
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Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I thought Danny was Kellysuperheroes? or All Things comics | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson Nope. |
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If I could, I would. I swear.
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| I guess there's just too many shitheads to keep them all straight. | ||
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| That almost seemed like a set up and punchline lol | ||
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 I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie.
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I'll wear this like a badge of honor, whereas if it happened here I would probably start crying. |
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 It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors.
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| Does that say "ccgmod1"? Shouldn't it be cGcmod1? Don't they know their own name?? |
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| @flanders now I want a cool red warning meme!!! LOL!!! | ||
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 CBCS broke up with me over Facebook.
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| It would be nice if someone with some pull could get this guy removed as an advisor. Its bad for the hobby. | ||
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 It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious.
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| @CFP_Comics my thoughts exactly! | ||
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 Please continue to ignore anything I post.
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| Interesting reading. And yes people should read the label fully. Someone had already posted the big mistake. UNIVERSAL. When universal is on top of a cgc slab. I felt quite confident it isn't restored. RESTORED. On the top. I know straight away what I'm looking at. This is bad for confidence in their brand unfortunately. |
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steveinthecity private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by chester15CGC falls under the banner of CCG - Certified Collectibles Group. In addition, there’s NGC, NCS, ASG, CCS and a couple others I can’t recall that are all in the CCG family. |
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It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors.
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chester15 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by steveinthecity I stand corrected (as usual). |
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| I think this is a stupid oversight on CGC's part. If a seller were to resubmit a bunch of Red labeled books to get newly slabbed Yellow labeled books, and then post them on eBay with blurry pictures of the labels and no product description would there be a thread titled, "Cautionary note about CBCS Signature Labels"? |
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by 50AE_DE That's not even the same thing. |
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| That's the response I pretty much expected. | ||
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If I could, I would. I swear.
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I guess so, since it's the correct response. | ||
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| The Trimmed book should never have got any label other than that green POS label and the other book with the dried glue is blue, CGC has always given a universal to such things. I may not agree but that is what they decided so that those with the some of the Church books which had such repairs would still get their money. Amateur restoration and professional restoration that does not carry it work verification certificate should be considered as repaired and both should both have the repairs count against the grade. Professional restoration can be a force of good and be encouraged by forcing the owner to pass along the certificates. Amateur work and not keeping the pro work acknowledgements is shady and duplicitous and hitting it with grade points is the only way to discourage it. Proper, professional restoration should be the standard as it will always be needed for such collectibles. They are not built to last and if we wish to preserve this part of our history professional restores WILL be necessary. The character labels are an eyesore. No matter which company you buy from you have to read the label. CBCS went the right way with not having a special colour for restoration and clear or foggy you know it is restored if you look at the grade as any typing above the number means restored. |
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| DylanTheKid (Dylanauctions): "CGC did this not me, whether you agree with the resto being additive or not. Me and one other guy in the world can speak better to that better than anyone including CGC because we opened up the comics at the staples to remove some resto and see if it should be, nobody else has opened them." So he's admitted he [at least sometimes] disassembles books before submitting them. That is DEFINITELY good information to have. This opened further discussion which led this 2014 post on CGC's policy on disassembly being linked: "There is no restoration to be found here. Obviously, someone opened the staples, switched the covers back to their original manufactured positions, put the staples back in their original positions, probably pressed the book, and someone, whether it was the one who did the work or someone who bought it, submitted it. As I have stated before, if nothing was added, CGC does not consider it restoration. There was no restoration (glue, reinforcement, color touch, etc) to be found on this book. One of the OLD ways of pressing books was to disassemble it, soak the pages and cover, dry the pages, re-fold the pages and put it back together. Soaking the cover and pages most of the time would make them look cleaned and is considered restoration (cleaning) by CGC. That is why we have stated that disassembled pressing is not something that should be done and we downgrade when books have defects from being pressed incorrectly. When a book is only disassembled AND the staples are not put back correctly the submitter also takes a big chance of getting a qualified grade for staples replaced. Disassembly and reassembly of a comic book, in and of itself, is not considered to be restoration." I read this as, "Do a bad restoration job, and we see it, your book will take a hit. Do a super restoration job so we can't detect it, and we won't consider it restoration."  Is it the same here at CBCS? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Siggy Seeing as how the CGC policy that you quote was posted by Steve Borock, it's probably the same with CBCS. |
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 If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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| Aside from any particulars on what is or isn't restoration, how would someone note it if they can't detect it? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by flanders This strip looks like something that could be repurposed as a nifty self-adhering wrist ID for reentry to Club CGC. Of course, it doesn’t provide any practical guidance for their social distancing policy.   . |
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Siggy private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Jesse_O Well, it's probably good that people know this detail, as there are likely customers (probably new) who might be putting too much faith in Resto Checks. CBCS Resto policy says. "... if restoration or conservation is found, CBCS will include a list of all the work detected on the label, classifying it as either conserved or restored." Should it not then include, "If the restoration is professional quality and undetectable, we will not consider it restoration." ? Personally, I think "However, not all Restoration is detectable (or similar)" is better, transparent, respectable, and TRUE. People are always telling 'newbs' who complain about not knowing something to do their research. Well, then the policy should do more than imply some resto is undetectable ("if [it's] found"), it should state it outright. Quote: Originally Posted by xkonk They wouldn't, but saying it isn't restoration because you're unable to see it is like saying shoplifting isn't stealing if no one sees you. It IS restoration, just undetectable. If it can't be seen, it can't be seen. This unavoidable 'free pass' shouldn't enjoy the benefit of a definition change. This policy is what it is, but I doubt everyone thinks about it quite in these terms. I would think most collectors would find the idea of spending hundreds or thousands of dollars on a book that was taken apart for the purpose of improving its appearance and grade as being distasteful- Especially if it's a Frankenbook (reassembled from multiple books). Unle$$ of cour$e, 'Cool Book$'. |
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