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Stupid question. I thought bones were white. If its encrusted, is it something you would risk cleaning?


Technically (without the technical explanation) they're not actually "bone" anymore.
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While not from the Jurassic period we have 2 loose Megalodon teeth.




Kids love seeing them at show and tell.
impressive fossils townater. Mad respect that you have them. Megladons were amazing animals. Often been told for every inch of d
Tooth is ten foot of Meg..a five inch tooth should be a fifty foot animal from what I was told

Thanks for sharing them
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Stupid question. I thought bones were white. If its encrusted, is it something you would risk cleaning?
never any stupid questions in this topic. Each fossil is different and has different needs. Most but not all fossil bone suffers from mineral replacement and many are not white anymore. In fact most Jurassic bone is often found various colors or solid black. Was there a particular bone or fossil you had questions about?
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Man, "Jurassic World" was a blast, a lot of fun. But holy hell "Fallen Kingdom" was brutally bad. What a let down. What the hell happened? Doesn't give me hope for this upcoming one.


Different strokes, I guess. My wife and I liked Fallen Kingdom much better than Jurassic World. With the exception of reliance on too much precious coincidence in escaping the volcanic eruption and the forced drama surrounding capture by typical ruthless mercenaries (Ruth must’ve gotten away) it was a solid, well developed plot with strong characters and excellent FX.

The problem with Jurassic World was it’s reliance on misogynistic tropes that were borderline offensive. Of course, this may have been a script problem more than a directorial one, but the film is what it is. Yeah, the dinosaur FX were cool ...as they typically are for every film in this series... but the story and character development was colder than reptilian blood.

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The hell happened was a different director, Jurassic world being done by Colin Trevorrow, and Fallen Kingdom by Juan Bayona..


There was definitely a difference in directorial style. Fallen Kingdom was darker and a bit more cerebral with an interesting backstory about the financial interests, research ambitions and DNA relevance. Personally, I liked Juan Bayona’s directorial approach to the series. It was a solid script and the actors brought just the right level of gravitas to their roles.

Kingdom didn’t fare as well with the Rotten Tomatoes polling, but the film’s Box Office Numbers were in the right ballpark. Jurassic World took in $1.67 Billion worldwide as opposed to Fallen Kingdom’s $1.3 Billion. Numbers like that suggest lots of folks are ready to queue up for more, ...as Long as it isn’t double-featured with anything resembling the Andromeda Strain (Michael Crichton’s cautionary tale about the risks of a global pandemic).


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This sits on my desk. It is a Meg tooth that is embedded in a vertebra. At least that's what I was told it was embedded in. A relative gave me this. The tooth is real and the vertebra is real. Disclaimer - I believe that they were put together by man though. Makes for great conversations though.


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Has anyone else ever notice that the true villain in the Jurassic movies is Dr. Wu. He ignores the suffering that he creates and the "safeguards" he puts in never seem to work. Almost like it is planned to turn out that way.
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Stupid question. I thought bones were white. If its encrusted, is it something you would risk cleaning?
never any stupid questions in this topic. Each fossil is different and has different needs. Most but not all fossil bone suffers from mineral replacement and many are not white anymore. In fact most Jurassic bone is often found various colors or solid black. Was there a particular bone or fossil you had questions about?




I was referring to the teeth posted earlier.

However, mineral replacement makes sense. Not something I considered. (Hard sciences were not my area of study in school)
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Stupid question. I thought bones were white. If its encrusted, is it something you would risk cleaning?
never any stupid questions in this topic. Each fossil is different and has different needs. Most but not all fossil bone suffers from mineral replacement and many are not white anymore. In fact most Jurassic bone is often found various colors or solid black. Was there a particular bone or fossil you had questions about?




I was referring to the teeth posted earlier.

However, mineral replacement makes sense. Not something I considered. (Hard sciences were not my area of study in school)
Bronte these teeth are generally found in waterways close to the coastline or in the bodies of wider rivers that outlet to the ocean...very often found in Florida, Georgia, and the Carolinas, in particular. Megladons were sharks and as such had cartilage instead of skeletons, so little except the teeth would normally preserve. Diving these rivers and along the coastline, you can often find these teeth along the bottom if you know the spots to look for them.

It is noteworthy to say these teeth are not bone, but rather are composed much similar to most other teeth
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This sits on my desk. It is a Meg tooth that is embedded in a vertebra. At least that's what I was told it was embedded in. A relative gave me this. The tooth is real and the vertebra is real. Disclaimer - I believe that they were put together by man though. Makes for great conversations though.


hard to identify the vert from the single angle, it does suggest a whale vert to me, but hard to say.
The Tooth and vert are real . I suspect the vert might be whale....my personnal opinion is yes, this was created by someone.I mean no disprespect to the fossil at all...but given the location of the bite, it would seem unlikely .




Hard to figure how a tooth could get twisted in sideways at the face of the vert rather than its sides.

Still neat pieces and great for conversations
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I’m a big fan of the first ‘Jurassic Park’ & I enjoyed ‘World’ as a quasi remake of the original but man, I despised ‘Fallen Kingdom’. Especially the ending.

If they reboot the series, I’d be interested, but until then, I’m probably done with the franchise.

It doesn’t take away from how cool @Darkseid_of_town’s Dino collection happens to be. Thank you for sharing.
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This is my pet dinosaur Nim....a psittacosaurus from China. These are pictures the way he appeared when I first bought him. He would require a lot of work, cleaning, mounting, stablizing and so forth.Notice the skull filled with rock for instance.......the ribs lying in a pile.
I bought the little guy and hired the lab to get him mounted..the first images they sent were all of possible poses. All showed the dinosaur walking on all fours....I was furious...no no no! They asked me what it was I wanted and i said..I want a 75 pound road runner from hell.
This is how it came out...









The small baggie are rib fragments, and the display case that is flat shows the ribs as a restored them..albeit too fragile to mount on the actual skeleton. the skull once cleaned had some nice teeth remaining that had not been destroyed by fossilization. It had been assumed there would be none, so that was a nice bonus.
Nim has 7 sections and can be taken down or set up inside ten minutes.
He is 27 inches long, and stands nine inches high at the hips...his back has 64 verts and he would be considered a sub adult that lived about 90 million years ago in China. He is by all measures and means my pride and joy beyond any comic or autograph I own and is mounted in a case that sits two feet from my chair in my living room .
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It appears that I'll be in the minority, but except for the enjoyable special effects, I didn't care for Fallen Kingdom. We've gone from Velociraptors being terrifying predators to the plucky little dinosaurs we root for. The movie does not stand up to a minute of serious thought.

So Dominion will be all about a tough new world (for humans) of us learning to coexist with Dinos. When in fact humankind and the various armed forces could have them wiped out rather quickly if that was the goal. Now if the human goal is containment, perhaps that will make a somewhat more challenging problem. As much political as physical. But these are dinosaurs. Not Godzilla. You would be safe in an armored vehicle, any high powered rifle could dispatch any dinosaur - the large caliber types with one or two shots.
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It appears that I'll be in the minority, but except for the enjoyable special effects, I didn't care for Fallen Kingdom. We've gone from Velociraptors being terrifying predators to the plucky little dinosaurs we root for. The movie does not stand up to a minute of serious thought.

So Dominion will be all about a tough new world (for humans) of us learning to coexist with Dinos. When in fact humankind and the various armed forces could have them wiped out rather quickly if that was the goal. Now if the human goal is containment, perhaps that will make a somewhat more challenging problem. As much political as physical. But these are dinosaurs. Not Godzilla. You would be safe in an armored vehicle, any high powered rifle could dispatch any dinosaur - the large caliber types with one or two shots.
yeah I can work with most of this but not so much the armor vehicle thing...if you consider some of the titansaurs at plus a hundred feet long and weighing in at thirty tons or more...if it steps on your vehicle that's going to be a problem so hopefully you can outrun it.
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It appears that I'll be in the minority, but except for the enjoyable special effects, I didn't care for Fallen Kingdom. We've gone from Velociraptors being terrifying predators to the plucky little dinosaurs we root for. The movie does not stand up to a minute of serious thought.

So Dominion will be all about a tough new world (for humans) of us learning to coexist with Dinos. When in fact humankind and the various armed forces could have them wiped out rather quickly if that was the goal. Now if the human goal is containment, perhaps that will make a somewhat more challenging problem. As much political as physical. But these are dinosaurs. Not Godzilla. You would be safe in an armored vehicle, any high powered rifle could dispatch any dinosaur - the large caliber types with one or two shots.


I don't think the majority of what we saw get free in the last movie would have had much a chance against just regular people with firearms. The larger dinos wouldn't last longer than one or two passes from an A-10 if it was sent after it.
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Man, "Jurassic World" was a blast, a lot of fun. But holy hell "Fallen Kingdom" was brutally bad. What a let down. What the hell happened? Doesn't give me hope for this upcoming one.


Different strokes, I guess. My wife and I liked Fallen Kingdom much better than Jurassic World. With the exception of reliance on too much precious coincidence in escaping the volcanic eruption and the forced drama surrounding capture by typical ruthless mercenaries (Ruth must’ve gotten away) it was a solid, well developed plot with strong characters and excellent FX.

The problem with Jurassic World was it’s reliance on misogynistic tropes that were borderline offensive. Of course, this may have been a script problem more than a directorial one, but the film is what it is. Yeah, the dinosaur FX were cool ...as they typically are for every film in this series... but the story and character development was colder than reptilian blood.

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The hell happened was a different director, Jurassic world being done by Colin Trevorrow, and Fallen Kingdom by Juan Bayona..


There was definitely a difference in directorial style. Fallen Kingdom was darker and a bit more cerebral with an interesting backstory about the financial interests, research ambitions and DNA relevance. Personally, I liked Juan Bayona’s directorial approach to the series. It was a solid script and the actors brought just the right level of gravitas to their roles.

Kingdom didn’t fare as well with the Rotten Tomatoes polling, but the film’s Box Office Numbers were in the right ballpark. Jurassic World took in $1.67 Billion worldwide as opposed to Fallen Kingdom’s $1.3 Billion. Numbers like that suggest lots of folks are ready to queue up for more, ...as Long as it isn’t double-featured with anything resembling the Andromeda Strain (Michael Crichton’s cautionary tale about the risks of a global pandemic).


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I don't know, the tone of Fallen Kingdom just felt all wrong. Very claustrophobic. As if it was some sort of Scooby Doo haunted house story. Dinosaurs running around a mansion? I found it sillier than usual. I know there has to be suspension of disbelief with these films, but this one was over the top for me.
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It appears that I'll be in the minority, but except for the enjoyable special effects, I didn't care for Fallen Kingdom. We've gone from Velociraptors being terrifying predators to the plucky little dinosaurs we root for. The movie does not stand up to a minute of serious thought.

So Dominion will be all about a tough new world (for humans) of us learning to coexist with Dinos. When in fact humankind and the various armed forces could have them wiped out rather quickly if that was the goal. Now if the human goal is containment, perhaps that will make a somewhat more challenging problem. As much political as physical. But these are dinosaurs. Not Godzilla. You would be safe in an armored vehicle, any high powered rifle could dispatch any dinosaur - the large caliber types with one or two shots.


I don't think the majority of what we saw get free in the last movie would have had much a chance against just regular people with firearms. The larger dinos wouldn't last longer than one or two passes from an A-10 if it was sent after it.
The one that would keep me awake at night is that damn massive mosasaurus...using some of the scenes to scale how big they made that thing, it would have been around 400 feet. in real life it might have reached sixty feet on a good day but a 400 foot long mosasaurus lose in our oceans today would be devastating....a Nimitz class aircraft carrier is 1092 feet long, so we are talking about something almost half as long as that.
In many scenes in these movies the animals were made larger than factual evidence would support, just for wow effect. Most memorably the scene where the woman is photographing the juvenile stegosaurus, and her camera rewinder frightens it. the parents come running and chew up the entire area rather well trying to eliminate the threat....the adult stegosaurus' in that scene were far larger than the fossil record would support
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It appears that I'll be in the minority, but except for the enjoyable special effects, I didn't care for Fallen Kingdom. We've gone from Velociraptors being terrifying predators to the plucky little dinosaurs we root for. The movie does not stand up to a minute of serious thought.

So Dominion will be all about a tough new world (for humans) of us learning to coexist with Dinos. When in fact humankind and the various armed forces could have them wiped out rather quickly if that was the goal. Now if the human goal is containment, perhaps that will make a somewhat more challenging problem. As much political as physical. But these are dinosaurs. Not Godzilla. You would be safe in an armored vehicle, any high powered rifle could dispatch any dinosaur - the large caliber types with one or two shots.

It always makes me ask....from the first movie....."but what about the lysine contingency?"
If you remember the comment was suggested that they could implement that step...which would stop whatever was being used to feed the animals lysine, without which they should slip into a coma and die. In the book that part was dealt with by having the animals often found near crops heavy in lysine or following lysine rich areas in the world
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It appears that I'll be in the minority, but except for the enjoyable special effects, I didn't care for Fallen Kingdom. We've gone from Velociraptors being terrifying predators to the plucky little dinosaurs we root for. The movie does not stand up to a minute of serious thought.

So Dominion will be all about a tough new world (for humans) of us learning to coexist with Dinos. When in fact humankind and the various armed forces could have them wiped out rather quickly if that was the goal. Now if the human goal is containment, perhaps that will make a somewhat more challenging problem. As much political as physical. But these are dinosaurs. Not Godzilla. You would be safe in an armored vehicle, any high powered rifle could dispatch any dinosaur - the large caliber types with one or two shots.


another couple of things missing from that equation..what about interbreeding into our extant species? What is the dinosaurs begin breeding into various lineages already extant in our world and cause further disruption in that fashion?
By example suppose one of the animals was able to mate and produce offspring via the Komodo dragon...and create a massive new group of larger, venom spewing killer lizards....or the mosasaurus might interbreed with some deep ocean killer whale or shark of larger size? That might or could have some serious future ramifications.....
Also there is the problematic hybrids bred by Wu...like the Indominus. Who knows what house of horrors type mutations he might set lose on the world .....
The aim back in Jurassic world with raptors able to take instructions and things like the Indominus, was the effort to militarize, or weaponize these dinosaurs. If that were done at a larger scale we would have issues for sure....
Imagine a scene where Wu steps outside at night, lights a cigarette and smiles. He opens a bag holding millions he was just paid from this or that terrorist organization, to fund the creation of this and that to set lose in the north american biosphere....a t rex with invsibility traits, that hunts humans for sport and has a biologically honed set of killer weapons...massive claws, the ability to spear prey, the ability to run fifty miles an hour....or hide like Indominus, etc
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Stupid question. I thought bones were white. If its encrusted, is it something you would risk cleaning?


Technically (without the technical explanation) they're not actually "bone" anymore.
In most cases, this is 99 percent the case, mineral replacement occurrs so thoroughly that nothing is left of the original bone except its patterns and shapes throughout, preserved sometimes microscopically perfect.....
but, there are some exceptions....a large t-rex limb bone, broken in two to facilitate removal from a quarry too far from anything capable of lifting it, revealed preserved soft tissue within.
In another famous study, a tyrannosaurus with exquisite preservation yielded up bone that was capable of being tested and indicated all the markers of pregnancy, thus allowing the determination of gender in this particular specimen.

There are also multiple "mummy" type specimens preserved, where the dinosaur was rapidly buried and created a three dimensional mummy of itself within the space it was buried....allowing us to view soft tissue, even meal contents within the stomach, the outlines of organs, and so forth. A few notable cases, Leonardo, Dakota, Zuul, and even a species named Lane that had much of the external skin preserved as a pattern within the matrix.

In China, in the xixian formation where my dinosaur hails from, perservation is often so exquisite feathers, scales, even melanomes for color are preserved...
even then most bone suffers replacememt to a great degree however, as Siggy stated.
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I've always enjoyed how Brett Booth draws dinosaurs. His covers for the 5 issue Extinction Event were awesome and some of the drawings he's done on his twitter feed of dinosaurs are fantastic.


I meant to ask, this is an artist I would comission! How do I get in touch with him? I do not have twitter, but is he perhaps availible via facebook or instaspam?
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The best time I had was at the Jurassic World movie. We had taken our son to Drumheller to hit the Dinosaur museum when the movie came out. It was an old 1970's theater but I swear everyone in there was employed by dinos in some way or anohter - was electric and lots of cheers when different dino's would make appearances!!

We even got to make plaster casts of fossils!!

They had these fun dinosaurs sprinkled through town in Motor bikes with side cars and others like this fun guy waiting for the bus!!




I am utterly envious of anyone who gets to vist the Tyrell museum, and the creme de la...for me would be meeting Dr. Phil Currie the resident paleo genius of said facility. Canada also has the good fortune of being home to a friend of mine, Julius Cystoni, the artist who has done most of the reconstructions on the walls of the Tyrell, and whom also does the dinosaurs on your coinage and stamps whenever such are offered. Brilliant artist, and a great mind !
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I’m a big fan of the first ‘Jurassic Park’ & I enjoyed ‘World’ as a quasi remake of the original but man, I despised ‘Fallen Kingdom’. Especially the ending.

If they reboot the series, I’d be interested, but until then, I’m probably done with the franchise.

It doesn’t take away from how cool @Darkseid_of_town’s Dino collection happens to be. Thank you for sharing
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Some very kind words there...I am always reluctant to throw this stuff out in the forum. When i first joined the forum I posted a set of images from a con with various cosplayers and some of my books and the first response given was pretty brutal. I also understand dinosaurs arent everyones cup of tea, and I lack any filters for when its enough and when to shut it off with dinosaurs....they truly were natures special effects and kings of all creation
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Has anyone else ever notice that the true villain in the Jurassic movies is Dr. Wu. He ignores the suffering that he creates and the "safeguards" he puts in never seem to work. Almost like it is planned to turn out that way.
When you examine the original movie, Crichton seems to have made every effort to represent each stereotype or force in our society with a cast member...the cautious word of science from Malcom, the who cares about morals, lets do it science of Wu, to lets make a buck with John Hammond. Then you have the science that adapts to and attempts to solve the problems by Dr Grant and Ellie .
The willfull ignorance and greed of Dennis Nedry are shocking as well.
I do believe you hit the nail about Dr. Wu especially as the series has continued, and he has become more ominous and seemingly more careless
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Man. I thought we were buddies? Wheres my invite? Lol
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Brett Booth has a twitter account and is active on it. He sells some of his artwork through The Artist Choice. I don't know if Brett Booth is taking commissions. You could reach out to Spencer (who runs The Artist Choice) and find out.
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Man. I thought we were buddies? Wheres my invite? Lol
You can have em too...how many ya want?
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Man, "Jurassic World" was a blast, a lot of fun. But holy hell "Fallen Kingdom" was brutally bad. What a let down. What the hell happened? Doesn't give me hope for this upcoming one.


Different strokes, I guess. My wife and I liked Fallen Kingdom much better than Jurassic World. With the exception of reliance on too much precious coincidence in escaping the volcanic eruption and the forced drama surrounding capture by typical ruthless mercenaries (Ruth must’ve gotten away) it was a solid, well developed plot with strong characters and excellent FX.

The problem with Jurassic World was it’s reliance on misogynistic tropes that were borderline offensive. Of course, this may have been a script problem more than a directorial one, but the film is what it is. Yeah, the dinosaur FX were cool ...as they typically are for every film in this series... but the story and character development was colder than reptilian blood.

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The hell happened was a different director, Jurassic world being done by Colin Trevorrow, and Fallen Kingdom by Juan Bayona..


There was definitely a difference in directorial style. Fallen Kingdom was darker and a bit more cerebral with an interesting backstory about the financial interests, research ambitions and DNA relevance. Personally, I liked Juan Bayona’s directorial approach to the series. It was a solid script and the actors brought just the right level of gravitas to their roles.

Kingdom didn’t fare as well with the Rotten Tomatoes polling, but the film’s Box Office Numbers were in the right ballpark. Jurassic World took in $1.67 Billion worldwide as opposed to Fallen Kingdom’s $1.3 Billion. Numbers like that suggest lots of folks are ready to queue up for more, ...as Long as it isn’t double-featured with anything resembling the Andromeda Strain (Michael Crichton’s cautionary tale about the risks of a global pandemic).


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I don't know, the tone of Fallen Kingdom just felt all wrong. Very claustrophobic. As if it was some sort of Scooby Doo haunted house story. Dinosaurs running around a mansion? I found it sillier than usual. I know there has to be suspension of disbelief with these films, but this one was over the top for me.


It was claustrophobic at times, but not in a bad way. Fallen Kingdom presented intriguing ideas about how far someone with the means might go using saurian DNA for genetic research for purely selfish reasons. And the risks to civilization of dinosaurs being auctioned off for military application or getting loose.

The mansion compound was part research laboratory and museum, so freed dinosaurs lurking around in a totally alien environment was pretty compelling from my POV. Scooby Doo never entered my thoughts although the mental image of auctioning re-engineered, military controlled raptors is haunting (let's not give the good folks at HA any ideas, OK?).
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Man. I thought we were buddies? Wheres my invite? Lol
You can have em too...how many ya want?



I was just kidding.
But thank you for the offer.
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