Is it me..or is this CGC grading gone bad...12352
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| In 2 posts you have attempted to mischaracterize what I wrote. GAC got it right when he wrote - Quote: Originally Posted by GAC |
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| As I said before, if you are done making problems here, move along | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town Quote: Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town Quote: Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town 3 straight posts mischaracterizing what I wrote, and second straight post of telling another board member what to do. Yep, GAC seems to know the plan so I quote him again from the Hulk 181 thread. Quote: Originally Posted by GAC |
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| Towmater, if you are done making problems here, please take it somewhere else. The problem began with you going after subtitles for discussing the books the thread is about Since then you have done multiple postings doing nothing but harassing me, and disrupting the conversation. Enough...move along. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town 4th straight post of mischaracterizing what I have written in the thread. 3rd staright post of telling another member of the forum what to do. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySeller Amazed how this wound up, within a dollar of one another...a slab 9.2, albeit PGX vs a raw graded 8.0 I myself liked the raw better for grade. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySellerFirst Dolphin , apparently becomes a character within the aquaman storyline, and for awhile is his lover |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater It was not hard to miss. You said, "If you don't like the grade then don't buy it. Kind of simple, no?" That is a statement intended to shut down discussion, not continue it. And, it misses the point. No one here was debating whether or not to buy the comic in question. Some people want to discuss things like grades and comics, on a comic book forum. Snarky comments like this aren't helpful; they don't add to the discussion. If you aren't interested in participating in the discussion, then perhaps you could find a different thread? |
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| @Tedsaid Grading is subjective. To my knowledge neither CBCS or CGC has ever published their grading guidelines. So, we have no idea what they are, if they change them, then change them back, or do other things that people on both sides of the grading company fence infer and then state as fact in thread after thread on both boards to throw shade on the other company. Personally, I’d love it if CBCS or CGC posted their grading guidelines. We'd all know how they decide what qualifies or disqualifies a book from this grade or that one. I don’t see it happening. It would lead to all sorts of problems. Oh, and people would forget that grading is subjective. My comment wasn’t meant to be snarky. However, if you or anyone else took it that way then please have my apologies. Did I miss where you wrote your thoughts on the phrasing and similar verbiage being used in a post directed right back at me if you took it as being "snarky"? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater A lot of people say this, and I wish they wouldn't. It seems to be a sort cop-out to me. That is, whenever some people discuss and argue about grading standards, and try to come to some sort of accordance over what is true, inevitably someone will chime in with this idea that debate and discussion are useless: that no one can determine a grade because it is "subjective," and you might as well not waste your time. Certainly there are aspects of grading that can be subjective, if by that you mean it is imprecise or ambiguous. But the vast majority of grading is quite objective. And in fact the whole business model, for CGC and CBCS, is predicated on the idea that grading can be objective. Yes, there can be some difference in opinion of the relative importance of various defects and virtues. Overstreet is the gold standard here; but both companies have deviated from this standard in various ways. In practice, though, they are all trying to quantify and aggregate the opinions of the comic book collecting public. That's hard to do, and the job will never be done for the simple reason that those standards (opinions) change over time; and some of them are incompatible. Anyway, discussions like this one are a part of determining those standards, by exchanging information and opinions about various aspects. We are the ones they are trying to quantify, with their 10-point grading scale. Our opinions matter. But those opinions need to be informed, and challenged, and built from experience and discussion. I agree with you, in that I also wish CBCS and CGC would publish more detailed standards. They must have them already written out ... all these notes and ideas on how to quantify color breaks or water spots, etc. Perhaps they don't release them because grading is not meant to be a sort of counting of defects and virtues; but rather, it should be primarily done by looking at a comic holistically? And using noted defects and virtues only to refine the book's inherent, baseline grade? If they released a detailed list of their - for want of a better word - grading algorithm, it might be used poorly, by inexperienced people misapplying those rules. Or it could just be that the long process of developing a highly detailed grading algorithm is valuable IP, and they want to protect their proprietary methodology. Well, that's just a guess. But Overstreet does discuss grading in more detail in their Guide to Grading Comics, which is very useful. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater Thanks for saying this. Quote: Originally Posted by Towmater No, I didn't post any thoughts about Darkseid_of_town's response. |
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| @Tedsaid I write subjective because unlike a math equation that gives us the same answer every time that isn't the case with comic grading. For example, there are documented accounts of people sending this book or that one back into the companies in which grades go up, or go down and nothing has been done to the book in question. Maybe the grading company changed their guidelines, maybe the graders all needed a visit to the eye doctor, or maybe something else was involved in the different grade. Who can say? However, the same book gets a different grade. You brought up Overstreet and I believe in their scale of grading. IMO, I don’t think that many people follow it as it is more restrictive and harsher than most places or people grade books. |
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| Both company’s do the best they can and I have had screw ups from both. But it is what it is and hope cgc and CBCS and push each other to benefit all of us | ||
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| I posted the thread to compare a similar book in a few different slabs as more of a way of discussing, how and what leads to the differences given the books. I am certainly not wound up regarding the grade my slabs were given, I bought them as they are, it wasn't a pair of books I submitted. They are also likely the lowest grade two copies of that book I have. They were purchased for movie spec and will sit and wait their minute in the sunlight. Any thought that the concept was to be a hate thread against one company or towards another misses the point...I own around 300 or more slabs give or take..the majority being CGC, and less than fifty belonging to CBCS so far, although thats likely to change near future.I did away with the few pGX I owned, and never bought any from Halo so far. |
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| @gotham44 I'm sorry I let this incredible story slip under my radar for this long. Let's see if I have it right: 1) You submitted a book on behalf of your sister-in-law and CGC graded it 9.6 2) You felt the grade was far to generous so you sent it back to get a lower grade 3) CGC lost the book and gave you $200 credit 4) You gave your sister-in-law $45 plus submitted a "nicer" copy from your own collection, to give to her as a replacement? How many times has this happened to you where you felt compelled to send a book back for a lower grade? I'm hoping your sister-in-laws book was not the first time. What did she say when you told her that you wanted to send it back for a lower grade? |
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| @Darkseid_of_town how many 181’s do u have lol | ||
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| As many as I need..0 | ||
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 I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life.
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| Theres quite a few 9.6s I need to crack and resubmit to CGC with the ridiculous loose grading lately... | ||
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| @Darkseid_of_town I knew you would say that | ||
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 Pictures? We don't need no stinking pictures.
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| I don't own many slabbed comics, but...I bought a CGC comic several years ago listed as 9.2 and it looked closer to 9.6, not even the tiniest stress mark, sharp corners, beautiful copy...then I bought a 9.2 recently that had sharp corners but way too many spine ticks that stood out and was a definite eye sore!! Recently I bought several 9.4 CGC comics and they look closer to a 9.6 easily. Of course this is just my opinion on the grades and I did not look at any grader notes. So I am thinking grading is often subjective, even for the so called grading professionals. I don't think it is possible to train multiple people to grade a comic book via CGC standards and have all of them come up with the same grade. Also, my thoughts on mainstream grading (non professionals), since the definition of NM now ranges from 9.2-9.8 I think too many flaws are often overlooked, especially on grading at 9.2 & 9.4, seems sellers are labeling anything that looks relatively new with these higher grades. A 9.2 should still look NM at first glance, only minor defects upon closer inspection IMO. 9.2 especially has become the trash heap of NM for a lot of eBay sellers trying to unload inferior copies. |
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| I don't know...just seems like to much spine wear to merit 8.5?? https://www.ebay.com/itm/1974-Incredible-Hulk-181-1st-Full-Appearance-of-Wolverine-CGC-8-5-VF/293665413988?hash=item445fd29b64:g:LAMAAOSw3jZfHj6b |
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| I would probably put it at an 8.0. Other than the tics, book is really nice. | ||
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This is a 9.0? |
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| I would take that as a 9.0. Apart from the spine ticks, which are amplified due to the dark background, it's a nice book with little else wrong with it. | ||
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| @moodswing I would say bang-on for a 9.0 |
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| So at least 8 spine tics all color breaking and some pretty large, still qualifies for a 9.0? Trying to determine how spine tics affect grades. I thought they have a greater impact. | ||
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| @moodswing I have a different silver age 9.0 that looks similar, but I see your point. |
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 I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie.
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| @moodswing maybe, but I hate how that auction site doesn't list back covers and unless I'm an idiot, doesn't give buyers an option to watch items like every other site that exists. | ||
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| @flanders Agree. I also hate seeing the actual invoice after the auction. I always think I am getting a good deal then all those fees and taxes add up  |
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| Looks closer to an 8.0 to me with the spine stress, but I don't collect many SA comics. Subjectively speaking, gravity is a harsh mistress when it comes to ticks and grading comics from a scan. | ||
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