Verified now yellow labels?12314
 Collector
|
Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I seldom buy from unknown dealers at shows and cons ...the few shows in the middle of nowhere out here, that we have, its always the same dealers, people I have bought books from for forty years. it isn't uncommon for me to go up to a dealers table here, and he will tell me come around, yours are in a short box right here....they know what I am looking for or will most likely bite at so it saves a lot of the drama mentioned above by some . A few even have it all priced and figured out what they want so we go from there....makes life simpler . For me there are few books I would care about buying signed, so its generally all blues I am seeing for labels. If something has a yellow, and it is a book that has interest for me signed, then I might ask to see it and check its credentials.There are few autographs I would actively seek on books nowdays...I have my Kirby, steranko, Lee , Lieber and Adams, Romita Jr, Mcfarlane, George perez, etc. signatures just aren't my cup of tea so the entire drama surrounding them just doesn't matter that much to me. As you yourself have said a few times Siggy, I don't really visit shows and cons to get comics..too expensive there. |
||
| Post 151 • IP flag post | ||
 Leftover Sundae Gnus
|
CatmanAmerica private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 Heck, beyond the comic world meltdowns are much worse. In fact, insular attitudes are such that you can't even get a consensus on wearing masks outside, much less which color.   . |
||
| Post 152 • IP flag post | ||
 Collector
|
monjoody private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by CatmanAmerica Haha yeah. Go onto a guitar forum and shout "Alnico 5 magnets are the best," sit back and enjoy the show. |
||
| Post 153 • IP flag post | ||
 Collector
|
mediaslave private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 Actually, just for giggles, I sent the details of the label change to a few non-comic marketing people I know. They are pretty fancy, much more so than I am. All agreed that changing the red to yellow feels like a transparent tactic to artificially boost the value of the verified label in order to spur sales and hopefully boost the image of the verified label vs witnessed to the market as a whole. ITs a very common tactic across many, many product types. And in all cases, the point is to muddy things for the user and blur differences between differently tiered or viewed products. Again, like sticking AMG on the back of low end (for them) Mercedes car that doesn't really deserve it. Ok so to look at it another way, break it down to pros and cons. What are the pros of changing it to yellow? What are the cons? What about changing verified from red to something else better received? Pros and cons of that? It becomes pretty simple once you look at it like that. |
||
| Post 154 • IP flag post | ||
|
Collector
|
mediaslave private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by monjoody I have no idea what this means, but now all I want to know why the hell guitars use magnets. |
||
| Post 155 • IP flag post | ||
|
Collector
|
monjoody private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by mediaslave Guitar pickups are (simply) magnets with copper wire wrapped around them, creating a magnetic field that picks up the vibrations of the strings. There are a number of different types of magnets that can be used, and it's an incredibly hot topic when someone debates the tonal differences between something like Alnico 3 vs 5 magnets. |
||
| Post 156 • IP flag post | ||
 I hear their hourly rate is outrageous!
|
sportshort private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Just my vote, I'm with @mediaslave and @Siggy, I don't have the luxury of knowing the comic-con dealers personally (there's no time with so many people in the larger halls) so I need to make decisions from a distance and having only a yellow label with the small writing that explains witnessed or verified, it will not work for me or the dealers. so My vote is for keeping red (or whatever color) as long as it's different. I know in the larger scheme of things my vote means nothing, but there you have it. | ||
| Post 157 • IP flag post | ||
|
Collector
|
mediaslave private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by monjoody  Thanks! |
||
| Post 158 • IP flag post | ||
 Masculinity takes a holiday.
|
EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by mediaslave Damn, when I was in charge of sales I always had friction with the design and marketing side...and you've just illustrated exactly why. The guys who are responsible for bringing in the money look at all your reasons there and say "spur sales? boost the image? Of the one thing that is our critical business advantage over our competitors? Hell yeah, we absolutely must do this". The design guys who have no revenue responsibility, just spending budgets...they have the luxury of stroking their arrogant egos right up until the day that everyone lost their jobs. @mediaslave I suggest you go put yourself in a position of being responsible for revenues at some point in your career. Maybe just take a year or two and try being a commission-only salesman (after all, that's what every business really is). I promise it will wipe that smug arrogance right off the menu and make a more well rounded and better tuned-in designer when you return. |
||
| Post 159 • IP flag post | ||
|
Collector
|
mediaslave private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I mean this in the nicest of ways, but if your method of increasing sales and visibility was by confusing the customer and trying to sneak things past them, then the problem isn't the design and marketing team. In these times transparency and messaging is king. This is especially true of younger customers, who will dissect every move you make and post it online. Every major brand tries (tries is critical) to appear transparent, and push their brand story. CBCS has always been, to me at least, super transparent and direct. Again, great product, great customer service, great people (at least the ones I've met), and a straightforward approach to things. The verified program is a perfect example of that. Grading and verifying signatures that aren't witnessed to help out collectors who maybe weren't in a position to get things done for a yellow label. Feels to me like something a company that actually cares about their customers would do. Sounds like a program that only somebody that's been in that situation would understand. I think its a great program! This feels exactly like something the sales team would come up with...and then have no idea why it could backfire. |
||
| Post 160 • IP flag post | ||
 -Our Odin-Rest in Peace |
Jesse_O private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by mediaslave Fixed that for ya. Fyi - this is meant as a joke. |
||
| Post 161 • IP flag post | ||
|
Collector
|
mediaslave private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O CGC tries...but they fail. (clarity joke)  |
||
| Post 162 • IP flag post | ||
|
-Our Odin- Rest in Peace |
Jesse_O private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by mediaslave Ok, that's hilarious!!!! |
||
| Post 163 • IP flag post | ||
 I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).Splotches is gettin old! |
Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Mona Lisa Newton ... I guess she married Isaac Newton 150 years later. | ||
| Post 164 • IP flag post | ||
|
Leftover Sundae Gnus
|
CatmanAmerica private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by mediaslave Sigh, regardless of what you feel, it’s still taking a back seat to reality. While respecting your differing opinion, it’s much better to hold an informed viewpoint. Some collectors have been wanting CBCS to do this for a long time and have voiced that opinion in other threads. It has nothing to do with light bulbs flashing over the heads of a sales team. The yellow verification label may provide a slight marketing advantage for CBCS customers, but is that a bad thing? Isaac Newton notwithstanding, the yellow verification label is just another reason CGC customers might consider switching brands, since their witnessed signatures can now be verified without the perceived penalty associated with a substantially different label color. Conversely, CGC does penalize customers with older autographed books by refusing to even make an effort to verify the authenticity of signatures of unavailable creators. By excluding signatures from handwriting comparison and/or other evidence they took the path of least resistance, creating a witnessing business, ...everything else was writing on the cover. CBCS should be commended for taking the more difficult road. While strategically advantageous to cover all bases, signature verification is also playing the long game. Notwithstanding minority complaints, yellow label verification will provide a more unified professional standard that consumers will come to appreciate. This is a win/win for everyone, any way you look at it. The virtual whining from the few naysayers will probably subside when all the advantages are considered. Belief systems and mileage may vary, but my shoes still have sole.  . |
||
| Post 165 • IP flag post | ||
|
Masculinity takes a holiday.
|
EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by mediaslave I promise this is the last time I will run in this circle, but no customer that pays money to CBCS is going to be fooled by this. This is the flaw in your Mercedes analogy. You're saying that Mercedes is trying to fool their direct customer in the showroom. With CBCS you're not even arguing that. What you're arguing is equal to saying Mercedes is trying to fool the second guy...the one who buys the car used. I totally disagree but even if I agreed...whatever. |
||
| Post 166 • IP flag post | ||
 Collector
|
BrashSmurf private msg quote post Address this user | |
| i collect books I do not sell any books. Label color makes no difference to me. I read each label and i know that some artist can no longer sign so i'll have to get verified books. If i ask if a yellow label is witnessed or verified and don't get an answer then i am out no money but someone is out of a sale. Yellow/Red is really all the same in my eyes. If its witnessed it will say. For display purposes all yellow will just look better |
||
| Post 167 • IP flag post | ||
 Collector
|
steveinthecity private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_OWhat does it mean that the Louvre, world’s largest art museum decides to slab the best known piece of art in the world using CGC? |
||
| Post 168 • IP flag post | ||
|
Masculinity takes a holiday.
|
EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by steveinthecity It's good to be first to market? On the other hand the newton rings say "The pioneers take the arrows". |
||
| Post 169 • IP flag post | ||
|
Collector
|
mediaslave private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by CatmanAmerica Dude, FFS man OF COURSE CBCS collectors want that yellow label vs red. OBVIOUSLY. But it's self-serving. it's a fake yellow label. A yellow gets more on the resale market than red. Who wouldn't want that? And please, don't start the stupid circle about dead creators blah blah. I'm talking if there are two options that are the same. How you can possibly think that having two different products with the same label isn't confusing...man. Pull your head out of CBCS's ass for just a moment and look at it objectively instead of a CBCS fan. Your entire position depends on the market looking at CBCS verification as the same value as a witnessed signature, and even a cursory glance at sales numbers will show you that is not the case. Ask ANY big seller that deals both. This is just painful at this point. I love that CBCS offers that service and I've said it a number of times already. I also know that it's not infallible, especially hearing stories about guy that got denied verification on signatures despite showing photos of them getting the book signed. It's a great service, but its nowhere near as trustworthy as a witnessed signature. And your argument against CGC not doing verified it just silly. If they thought they could make money at it, they'd do it. They bill you for every damn tiny thing you do, you think they'd pass this up if they thought it was viable? |
||
| Post 170 • IP flag post | ||
|
Collector
|
mediaslave private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySellerz This is painful now. No a customer paying CBCS isn't going to be fooled. They're going to be pumped knowing they aren't going to pay the red label tax when they go to sell it. The person buying that book though that thought it was witnessed...they can be fooled. The dealer with books on a wall that has to constantly answer whether the book is verified or witnessed...they're just gonna be pissed. And the analogy, while not perfect, fits. Otherwise muppets wouldn't be buying CLA 250s with AMG logos on them and paying extra for it. |
||
| Post 171 • IP flag post | ||
|
Collector
|
BrashSmurf private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by mediaslave Nope its a real Yellow label. CBCS has decided to slab verified and witnessed as Yellow. it is not trying to be a witness. Its just basically a this book is signed label Quote: Originally Posted by mediaslave Label color doesn't matter to me nor does the resale value Seems like you are more worried about money you could be losing over anything else. |
||
| Post 172 • IP flag post | ||
|
I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! |
Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Where's Rod Serling when I need him? | ||
| Post 173 • IP flag post | ||
|
Masculinity takes a holiday.
|
EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by BrashSmurf Honestly, I had not even considered that a yellow label will increase the value of the signatures that I get verified, by letting me trick and fool people. And I'm still not, because I don't believe for a second that a yellow label will allow me to fool potential buyers and trick them out of more money because the think it's Witnessed. Right now that concept is just a figment of someone's imagination. But now that it's mentioned, I think that making the labels the same might move the needle in terms of public perception. So if there is a market price difference between verified and witnessed, maybe that gap closes if the label change has an impact on market perception? @mediaslave is it possible that's what you are afraid of? Not that CBCS will fool and trick people, but that their actions might influence market perceptions about verified signatures that you feel should be set in stone? |
||
| Post 174 • IP flag post | ||
|
Collector
|
BrashSmurf private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySeller Well here is the thing now. if i see a CBCS Yellow label i now know its just a signed book. its up to me to see if its verified or witnessed. As a buyer its my job to know exactly what i am actually buying. A tactic i thought all buyers actually use |
||
| Post 175 • IP flag post | ||
|
Collector
|
mediaslave private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySeller Yeah that it, you caught me. NEvermind the boxes and boxes of signed raws that I could now flip with a yellow label for higher than a red, its all my diabolical plan to keep the market exactly where it is. Honestly, man you gotta step back from your CBCS fanboy position and look at this from another viewpoint. You said that you hadn't considered that a yellow label will increase sales value? If you can't even recognize that blatant angle, I think you might wanna tap out. |
||
| Post 176 • IP flag post | ||
|
Collector
|
BrashSmurf private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by mediaslave I have more CGC signed books than cbcs, so cry fanboy some where else or get a better comeback to invalidate others opinions |
||
| Post 177 • IP flag post | ||
|
Masculinity takes a holiday.
|
EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by mediaslave It's been amusing, but I'm tapping. At least until I have a few beers and see something later tonight that inspires me to return to the fray. |
||
| Post 178 • IP flag post | ||
|
-Our Odin- Rest in Peace |
Jesse_O private msg quote post Address this user | |
| There is one thing I have been WAITING for someone to bring up. @mediaslave if I follow your thinking, you are saying that now you have to ask to see a CBCS book at a con to see if it is witnessed or verified because they are both yellow. Before, you could tell the difference at a glance, red or yellow. Unless you are searching strictly for verified signatures, this change should not be a problem. Here's why. If you are looking for a witnessed signature, you are looking for a yellow label. If you see a yellow labelled slab, you will need to read the label to see who signed it. It may not be signed by the person you want. Unless you strictly buy huge black marker scribbled Stan Lee signatures that you can identify from across a room, you will need to at least get close enough to read the signature. If you are close enough to read a signature, you are close enough to read the label. Your argument about it taking you longer doesn't hold up. I can see if you are looking strictly for verified signatures where this could be an issue, but I don't see you saying that. |
||
| Post 179 • IP flag post | ||
|
Masculinity takes a holiday.
|
EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O Brilliant @Jesse_O . Checkmate. I bow to the master. For the record, I'm still tapped out. |
||
| Post 180 • IP flag post | ||
Thread locked. No more posts permitted. Return home.