The old debate...Giant size 1 vs Hulk 181....12286
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| https://movieweb.com/avengers-endgame-hulk-injury-explained-russo-brothers/ So I guess when the producers of a movie explain the entire idea is permanent, that it isn't magically going away..he is damaged and isn't healing, I trust them. And given the extent of that injury I just somehow...and I know its just using every angle to not believe, but I just don't see hulk going toe to toe with someone like wolverine anytime like eminent. |
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| Did you watch the entire video where the Russos go on to say that "who knows, there's alot of smart people left, maybe someone goes on to repair that, maybe someone gives him a new arm...who knows, we have no idea where this character goes from here" The narrator of the video even goes on to give plausible reasons... |
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| Despite the apparent finality of everything involving the Infinity Stones, Russo said that there could still be a way for the Hulk to regain his lost strength. "Who knows? There's a lot of really smart people left," Russo said. "Maybe somebody helps him repair that. Maybe somebody gives him a new arm. Who knows? I have no idea where that character goes from here. In order to heal his arm, Banner must allow savage hulk to take over. After healing his arm, Banner can not regain control over his green side...enter wolverine. I should be a Marvel writer making all that $$$. |
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| @moodswing Exactly!!!!! | ||
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| and now who is "using every angle" despite the fact the movie producers themselves stated flatly the injury is permanent...a moment ago, I was accused of doing what is now being offered here... Sure you can undo everything in the movie you want..,.bring back Natasha, bring back Iron Man, even do a DC plot and have them go back to flashpoint and start over ! The point is again, seventeen years of wolverine movies, people are tired of the character...why on earth would you jump through every possible magic hoop and "use every angle" to try and force something that isn't necessary or even desired by many at this point? |
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| So did either of you wish to place your vote at least, since that was the direction the thread had been taken? IH 4 Giant size 2 |
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| Not sure why you keep on saying people are tired of the character. I will say most people can't wait for him to be in the mcu. He just finally got his comic back after being "dead". The X-titles have had a resurgence too. As far as jumping through hoops, a character with one of if not the strongest healing factor in the mcu can heal from wearing the glove, that isn't much of a hoop to jump through. Maybe just blast him with more gamma radiation or they can tie it in with a plot with the red hulk or she hulk. Not difficult at all. In fact, most people didn't even read the article with Russos. The audience probably just thinks it is temporarily like Thor being fat. | ||
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| The people I talk movies and so forth with arent comic book people...They are regular everyday normal people. Lets face it, if it were not for Disney pulling massive numbers of people from outside the hobby, these movies wouldn't have crushed like they did at the box office. Disney managed to intrigue and get millions of people that dont normally do comic books, to buy into their ongoing movie serial right up the final chapter. Those people don't see wolverine as the end all, be all need to happen thing that comic fanboys might. Most of those people have watched the movies over the years...and many I know have said..wolverine? Isnt he dead? Why would we want another movie about him after that mess called Logan? Etc...If you feel most people "cant wait for him to be in the MCU" you clearly arent discussing things with people outside the hobby and just general movie going public ....In fact some of his previous movies were not exactly that great and many don't see a need to rush to repeat more of the same. As for just getting his comic back after being dead....lemme see, to maintain and generate sales they had to KILL him...but then he somehow is alive now....(but that isn't jumping through hoops ) As for jumping through hoops, I just posted a solid factual statement from the producers of the movie that Hulk's injury is permanent. So yes, altering that is jumping through hoops sorry. I am sure most people didn't read the article with the Russos….but that doesn't change the facts. Regardless what the audience thinks, the people who made the movie are on record as stating this is how it is. I actually took that much away from the movie myself and am surprised most did not get it. Thanos was permanently harmed by using the stones himself, and it killed Iron man despite his suit , so I am unsure why anyone would possibly think this was some simple rash and some nice soothing gel and a simple plot fix would resolve it. Regardless , there is no wolverine currently in the MCU...the hulk we do have is currently maimed and supposedly permanently according to the informed sources we have. It would seem somewhat "odd" to attempt to imply that all sets the stage nicely for a movie to happen fairly rapidly.....sure, perhaps 4-5 years out, but not anytime soon. |
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| sarcasm not required. | ||
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| None of my friends collect or read comics but they still know who Wolverine is. They are more apt to see a movie of a character that they at least heard of before i.e they all skipped Capt Marvel. If I throw out the name like Colossus or Kitty, they will say who. Name recognition is very important. Just look at Venom. That movie wasn't really good but still made a ton of money due to the fact it had one of the most popular characters in comics. All my friends saw that movie. Did you just say the movie Logan was a mess? Sounds like you really hate Wolverine. I honestly don't get the hate for the character. Is this entire argument because you don't have any 181s anymore and just have a gsx 1? If you had both, would you still continue trash Wolverine and say "real people" are sick of him? |
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| I proposed the question..which comic do you see as the best investment going forward...IH 181, or Giant size 1 and asked people to vote.... rather than vote, you have repeatedly chosen to attempt to force an argument surrounding how you feel wolverine should be that choice...as I have in turn defended my own viewpoint, then I am accused of really hating the character. Baiting the arugment with the concept that I don't have a 181 anymore, and do have a giant size 1 is an attempt justifying your own inability to accept that not everyone finds the character to be that central or important. To answer your question, I have owned three 181 copies and never cared for it enough to keep it. I do not care for the introduction storyline, less for the art, the poorly drawn cover, etc. I have a giant size 1, wolverines 2nd appearance.If I were to buy a copy of 181 it would be to again complete my hulk run...including issue 1 . Trying to imply a lesser book like IH 181 is somehow enough to drive my views is odd to say the least since I own many other quite high end books comparably speaking. I do own a complete run of x men from 94 to 300 for instance....despite the many wolverine stories and arcs. Again my central point and question here was to determine which book has the best potential investment future...I notice you seem quite willing to attack me for my views and accuse me of all sorts of things for which you have precisely no proof...but you have not even voted yourself. and yes, I did state the movie Logan was a mess. I found the plot quite forced, the devices used tired and less than imaginative and the entire thing was telegraphed and boring... I found it even more odd when it was again released in Black and white oddly . Those were my views of the movie, for which I refuse to apologize to you. I found the original wolverine movie that was released far more interesting, more believable and more entertaining. PS....as for Venom, I did enjoy that movie. Another character I feel is less than inspired but I liked the last movie ! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GACno it isn't, thanks |
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| Baiting an argument? Attacking you? Man everyone is so sensitive now. It is call defending ones position. You state one thing and then I give an opinion why I think that is wrong, you then state why I was wrong. That is called a debate. If you already had your mind completely made up about the topic then why even bring it up for debate if you are not prepared for someone to disagree with you? I brought up the question if you had both would your position change? That is a valid question. If I had one and currently not the other, I would be more prone to defend why I think that book is better for investment since I currently have money tied up in the book. From your posts, it sounded like you did not like the character. I am sorry if I interpreted that wrong. Of course not everyone thinks he is the central character. Not everyone thinks the earth is round. I simply stated in terms of popularity that most think he is. He is still popular without being in the MCU and being dead in the comics for a while. Marvel even tried to replace the x-men with the inhumans. In terms of popularity, you can look up most polls and fans voted him usually around 3rd most popular. Obviously, I should stop defending my stance since you feel like I am attacking you. I just like having debates. No ill-intentions were meant. FYI, I already voted. I think either yesterday or the day before. |
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 Thank you sir. May I have another?
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town Sounds like you have it all mapped out, so time will tell. With luck, it won't make a lick of difference to my collection, meaning hopefully I'll never have to sell them and worry about value. That way I can just enjoy owning them, especially the one I'd rather have more- H181 |
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Quote:Originally Posted by moodswing I'd have to ask what real people are sick of him? Just looking at the box office of the Wolverine trilogy the box office kept increasing. The first film's box office is $373 million, the second film's box office is $414 million, and the final one's box office is $619 million. That's a character whose popularity is growing. |
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| @Towmater Great observation and point. |
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| very true and great point!! | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by moodswingCouldn't agree with everything you said there more, right up to the point where we got to where you were accusing me of forming my position based on what books I own or don't, accusing me of trashing wolverine etc....etc. When it crosses from debate and discussion to personnal attack it does cross the line. Right up to there I am damn sure willing to sit and discuss anything comics with anyone all day, and I think you have seen that to be the case. My views on wolverine are mixed honestly. I find him a unique character and one that could often be done far better than he is. I tend to distance myself from the more ...murderous, kiler types like wolverine, punisher and venom. I don't relate to violence as the answer to most problems...sort of why I admire Zatanna, for using magic and solving problems, normally without the use of blood, killing or violence . I see it this way..you collect your wolverine books, that leaves plenty of Zatanna books for me. that's what drives the hobby forward..... as for my posting here...I think that due to the event we are not allowed to speak of, we will soon see another round of those government payments coming our way. I am considering buying a book with mine..if you do not care for the choices I offered here..what single book and grade would you pursue, and why? I am tempted to buy something that I can simply profit from in the short term. I don't especially care for modern books, with about my only exception to that having been a nice copy of Edge of spiderverse 2...so go at it from that angle then....what book? what grade? why? |
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 Suck it up, buttercup!!
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| Sorry..Wolverine is dead..white male with anger issues, nothing that any movie house would possibly make anymore. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by SiggyI heard a pretty good rumor that wolvie was being considered for the sequel to Black panther, and Shuri would be giving him an outfit made of vibranium from the Antarctic. It seems like a decent method to introduce the savage land to me....but who knows. as for books I hope to never sell, most of mine can go and I would be alright with it, but they will be prying my new gods and zatanna books from my cold dead fingers, hopefuly carefully though. |
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| My vote is 181. You look at the money comic book movies make, they will continue. You look at the characters who were in the movies that made all the dough, studios will stick with tried and true. Iron Man, Black Widow, Wolverine, Hulk, Thor. The actors may change, the formula will not. |
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| @Darkseid_of_town Short term profit or quick flips, I think you have to go modern. My big sleeper specs have already started hitting (echo, modok and Wraith). If you can find an asm 4 cheap, that can be flipped quickly. |
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| yeah perhaps, but umm Black panther wasn't tried and true, as a movie...neither was wonder woman, aquaman….in fact its safe to say many of the comic book movies that did best weren't tried and true. Watchmen anyone? Meantime the Punisher movies...all of them seemed to do rather ...average. Although the one with Dolph was rather awesome! I also don't think its out of the park to suggest that after the last 20 years of marvel movies, that the formula will need to change and things handled somewhat differently to maintain interest. (See the comedy aspect in Thor Ragnarok, or horror type new Mutants theme for instance) Many moviegoers are tired of the super hero style movies and will be looking for something different...even if its just a different way of presenting the same characters or story. I can do the same style movies forever and never tire of them, but that isn't the case for those who don't live and breathe comic books. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by moodswingeh for me quickly is four years....vs a long term hold at ten or 15 years....when I say quick I am four years out on it |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmateror rather more truly, a box office that is increasing simply due to inflation in ticket prices as the time passes......which is far more likely. |
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| Even worse, a box office and movie culture that will go straight to video, only. Who knows what that will do to market? Perhaps if you like comic book movies, you will have to have Disney + |
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| https://www.boxofficemojo.com/chart/top_lifetime_gross_adjusted/?adjust_gross_to=2019&ref_=bo_cso_ac Once you adjust the grosses, notice, none of the wolverine pictures appear In the listing.... |
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Quote:Originally Posted by doogI think you nailed that one..its already happening, look around you. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town As far as making money on comics, that was my original rationale when I got in to the collecting hobby 12 years ago, (Although I have read them for 50 plus years) but I like them too much to flip them, and I no longer need the extra cash. I do sell the Iron Man 55 types, that I think are done, but I just reinvest. Don’t have a GSX 1 yet, expensive book. But I will one day |
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