The old debate...Giant size 1 vs Hulk 181....12286
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Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Few months back the forum had a thread where someone posed the question..I offered the Giant size 1 moving forward was the book to look at . Got pretty well tarred and feathered and told I was clearly an idiot wrapped in stupid. I chose 8.0 as my grade to compare, simply because I keep tabs on the 8.0 range for Giant size 1, as that is where mine is . GPA today Incredible hulk 181....2018 5300 highest price 2020 4320 highest price realized this year 3229 current market activity with downward arrows and declining prices. Giant size x men 1 2018 1648 highest price realized 2020 2750 current market price and moving up fast By those prices the 181 has lost around two k in price over the past 24 months By those prices the Giant size has gained 1100 the past 24 months The two books are less than 500 dollars apart and the indicators suggest giant size moving up and 181 dropping. Will just wait quietly here for the oh no it aint so debate to begin.....but those are the numbers today for both books at 8.0 |
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| I'm not in the speculation game. I only bought what I thought would be a good read or if I really liked the artist. I owned both of those books bought at cover price. From my perspective, Len Wein wrote both books and they were OK stories but Dave Cockrum beats Herb Trimpe hands down every time. Also, I like the X-Men cover (Gil Kane inked by DC) much better. Cheers! | ||
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| Personally, I' buy an Incredible Hulk #2. It would fill a hole in my collection and give me a book that I've always desired but never gotten around to buying. | ||
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| I would buy GSX1... again. I have a Hulk 181, and it's fine. However, growing up an X-Men kid GSX1 would mean more to me. I regret selling my copy, but what are you gonna do? I only look at numbers when some shit gets out of hand, ie the prices on both of these books in the last 18-24 months. | ||
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 If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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| I don't have a gocollect account but from the free bit it looks like 181 has gone up a pinch in most grades since 2018 https://comics.gocollect.com/guide/analyzer/gcin/134372?run=1&dateFirst=2018-01-01&dateLast=2020-07-03&labels%5B1%5D=on&labels%5B2%5D=on&labels%5B6%5D=on&labels%5B11%5D=on&labels%5B7%5D=on&labels%5B8%5D=on&displayByGrade=on&displayByDate=on&maxSales=10000 GSX1 has gone up more since then but obviously started from a lower price https://comics.gocollect.com/guide/analyzer/gcin/134510?run=1&dateFirst=2018-01-01&dateLast=2020-07-03&labels%5B1%5D=on&labels%5B2%5D=on&labels%5B6%5D=on&labels%5B11%5D=on&labels%5B7%5D=on&labels%5B8%5D=on&displayByGrade=on&displayByDate=on&maxSales=10000 I'm personally keeping my eye on 181 since I don't have one  |
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| Wolverine fan, you have to buy both |
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| Part of the reason I don't care for gocollect...pushing up the value of a book that has clearly declined the past two years, despite the general market trend downward for the comic. Two years back the book was as high as it was going at the time, due to the movie hype from Logan. No movies with the character the past two years, and it only makes sense the value has moved down. You can see a similar effect looking at TOS 39.... I have owned a few copies of 181...story is lame, art never impressed me much and the book is plentiful if you really want a copy. I always sold off mine... Giant size x men 1...loads of good art, a compelling story...even the cover is masterpiece. First appearance of multiple characters on a white, square bound cover no less. Owned this book three times...and after getting rid of it twice, decided third time around I would keep it. |
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| I still feel that GSX#1 would be my pick. I have a nice 8.5 that I will not be selling. | ||
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Hi @Darkseid_of_town - FWIW, my Nosto current 90-day moving average for both. GS-UXM 1 has the stronger trend at the moment, we'll see if it continues.  |
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| Long term....IH181 every time. I've owned 3 GSX1 and sold 1...still have 2 in my collection. 1st appearance of the most popular Marvel character (behind Spidey) is the best bet now, tomorrow and forever. |
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| except that not everyone agrees that wolverine IS the most popular character...for some its Fantastic four, for others its Sub Mariner, or even Hulk..... One could argue he is perhaps one of the most over-hyped, over-used, and run into the ground characters one could name...a dozen movies later and with multiple titles constantly proliferating the racks..... All comics and the characters in them are cyclical, and noone gets to sit on the throne forever...Wolverine, Punisher, Venom, it comes and goes....not to even mention new or up and coming characters that will someday surplant the current trends. Aside from that, Giant size is his second full appearance, as well. Thirty years ago the now and forever comment might have held water...but that ship as sailed. The sales show it, and the market is speaking, as the prices drop. There is a saturation point... Another aspect of the market is age vs characters...as readers mature and the market moves to older more well thought out readers who prefer more well written and involved characters, the shift is certain to happen....as many have commented younger people and teens seldom engage in comic books these days Incidentally now tomorrow and forever is unsupported vs documented sales throughout the market as I illustrated above...over a two year span. |
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| You can't really lose regardless which book you pick....its like the Beatles or the Stones....both answers are correct. GSX1 is a fantastic book...1st app of Storm, Collosus, Nightcrawler and Thunderbird.....and Illyana Rasputin? (not sure about that one)...fantastic book no doubt...but if I had to choose my choice is IH181...1st full appearance of Wolverine.... that most would say is more popular and important to comics than Storm, Collosus, Nightcrawler and Thunderbird. Although I believe those characters are very important (especially Storm), but Wolverine is more important. | ||
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Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user | |
| we definitely see eye to eye there, GAC. Well stated for sure. And yes its the first appearance of Peter Rasputin's at that point unnamed and unknown sister, that would later become Illyana aka Magik. If I did the flip side and pointed out the one thing that makes me see IH 181 as having long range potential it would be , aside from the obvious, the marvel stamp. Far too many copies chopped up to get that little magic square of paper for the album. Beatles or the Stones, great analogy, always been a stones guy myself....never cared much for the Fab four personally. |
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They’re not pretty but they are mine lol!  |
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Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by dielinfinitethey are pretty because they are yours though, and that's all that matters |
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| It's a great debate for sure and one that will continue to come up and be discussed. Both are extremely desirable books to most collectors....the real answer is get both but if you have to choose both are winners. I will give you that the degree of upward trajectory value is probably more in GSX1....I believe IH181 will always be valued more than GSX1 but GSX1 will shrink that gap. GSX1 is a great book for all the reasons you gave. | ||
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 Thank you sir. May I have another?
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| Take $$$ & pride out of the discussion- You are the only person left on the planet who cares about anything to do with comic books. The New Order has deemed them offensive to "everyone". The last 2 remaining comics on the Earth, an 8.0 GSX1 and an 8.0 IH181, are about to be destroyed by (whatever) and it is only [equally] possible to save one. Not even Thanos with all his Stones could save both (I know, I know). Which?  |
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| Betty and Veronica 17? | ||
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 Suck it up, buttercup!!
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| I think that precisely because 181 has lost ground is the reason to buy it now...not sure how much further it will drop but when (not if) the mouse brings him into the main MCU it will jump back up again. Right now looking for 8.0 to 8.5 myself - haven't found one I like...might be an 8.0 that looks good. BTW - what the hell is the deal with 181 and the marks on the cover just under the logo - was it a stacking issue when the ink wasn't dry?? so many have those marks - might be 8.5 but I can't stand them - I'll take an 8.0 with a few ticks and one small crease on a lower corner! Also....sorry guys....as more states return to lock down there will be more people looking to sell...might be I can get a 181 even cheaper in a few months. GSX is interesting also because early Wolvie but also 1st Colossus, Storm, Nightcrawler and Thunderbird (I prefer the IROC though) |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater 1st green Hulk then 181, then GSX. Hulk 1 is out of reach for me. 1st appearance rules when it comes to bronze books. But speculation, Hulk 2 for sure. |
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Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user | |
| actually hulk is green for one panel in issue 1, but #2 gets the credit as the entire book is done that way | ||
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Towmater private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Proving once again that there is no rhyme or reason to what is a 1st appearance in the world of comic book collecting. That being said, I still want an Incredible Hulk #2. |
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 He sounds like a vegan who wants real mayonnaise to be vegan friendly.
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Instant_Subtitles private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I personally made a suggestion in the past that people look into Giant-Sized X-Men #1. All I can say is that @Towmater hit it on the head when it comes to first appearances. To the point that it makes looking for key issues that more frustrating. Especially when you take into account how both CGC and CBCS each handle this type of thing. It's just... Frustrating.  But with said issue, you skip out on how he did debut and get the version that fans are more familiar with. And if the MCU has him debut with the X-Men it might even rival his first full appearance. Which is one of those "Who's on first?" topics. Especially when it comes to the way first appearances are handled. |
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 I'm a #2.
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BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Personally..... Both of these books are way past the price I would ever give for a comic book. I would much rather spread my money across acquiring multiple books. If I was offered the choice of receiving one as a gift I would prefer to have the Hulk #181. I never was a big X-Men fan. Regardless of $$$$ I believe the Hulk #181 will always be the more highly Iconic book of the two. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town The majority of the forum definitely preferred Hulk 181, but as for the tar and feathering...as they say, Pics or it didn't happen. My position in that discussion, for the record: Seriously, a worthy debate I think. My gut would be that GS X-men 1 is the safer investment when considering both upside and possible downside. 1) Much lower starting price 2) Multiple character introductions intentionally created with multi-national appeal. 3) An industry changing book 4) Wolverine has been played out in just about every conceivable viable way, could the character popularity possibly get bigger than he has been in the last 10 years? I again would ask, can inclusion in the MCU really make Wolverine's popularity any more than it already has been? |
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Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user | |
| simple math...cgc census Hulk 181 13,305 copies Giant size 9,326 copies hulk 181 1006 copies in 9.2 ballpark 2800 copies in 9.0 or higher Giant size 2200 ballpark copies above 9.0 Giant size, white cover, square bound and 68 pages I think.... |
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Hell get them both that’s what I did. GSX will close the gap but I don’t think it will ever pass it. If it does doesn’t really matter to me b/c I bought a nice 8.5 of both  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town While I agree with your conclusion, I don't think you can get there just by looking at supply. You also have to factor in volume of transactions. According to these census numbers the supply of CGC slabbed Hulk 181 is approximately 40% greater than the supply of CGC slabbed GSX1. Interestingly, Ebay shows sales of approx. 50 CGC slabbed GSX1 since June 1, in the same time period Ebay showed approx. 70 sales of CGC slabbed Hulk 181...also a difference of 40%. I was hoping to find a sales volume difference that would be more useful in drawing a conclusion. |
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Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Time will tell...be interesting to look again at this thread in another ninety days. I am not "just looking at supply" as I have given multiple points above to suggest the Giant size is the better investment now at least....but at the end of the day you also have to allow that the comic appears to have give or take 4,000 less copies than hulk 181, and as Hulk 181 continues its slide to lower levels, the various factors mentioned above seem to be pushing the Giant size higher... |
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| To a buyer that has neither book but can afford either book, I'd advise get the more important book which is IH181. If the buyer can afford both, get both. | ||
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