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Terry88 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Go Collect or CPG? I thought they were pretty much built on the same, or at least similar, database and sales searching programs. For example, Iron Fist CGC 8.5 has two very different prices tied to it. Is it just an updating issue? Are there better ones around? I don't like using eBay sold listings, I'm kinda becoming more skeptical of those lately. |
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| @Terry88 If you’re skeptical of eBay sold listings, those sites may be of no use to you. Most of the data on those sites are based on eBay sold listings. |
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Terry88 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Is it a news stand vs direct type issue then? Is one using more or different auction information from other non-eBay sites? There's a pretty big difference for this random book I looked up. Just surprised I guess. |
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CaptainCanuck private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Terry88 My mistake, I thought you wrote GPA, not CPG. GoCollect uses actual sales data. Not sure where CPG gets their numbers from. |
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Terry88 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Here's a good explanation of GoCollect vs. GPA. https://www.cgccomics.com/boards/topic/436851-go-collect-vs-gpa/ I'm getting somewhere with this at least! |
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Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user | |
| When you realize others see the same things you do, using different examples | ||
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CaptainCanuck private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Terry88 Quote: Originally Posted by Terry88 Short answer to your question is GoCollect is more accurate than CPG. |
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 Ima gonna steal this and look for some occasion to use it!
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IronMan private msg quote post Address this user | |
| The short answer to your UNASKED question is there is no one source anymore that is definitive on determining value of comics. The OPG is still useful. Go Collect and Comic Price Guide are useful. GPA is useful. Checking any auctions houses that do not report to GPA (say Comic Link) is useful. Individual knowledge (your own, area comic book stores) about LOCAL interest and sales is useful. There is no one source that is better. The best source for pricing or valuing comics is to use multiple sources that exist. |
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 He sounds like a vegan who wants real mayonnaise to be vegan friendly.
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I have to agree with what @IronMan said. And not because it's a Stark answer if I ever heard one.  Because I often use eBay's "complete purchase" option when looking at what was sold, and how much it went for. Sometimes in hopes of seeing if I did not grossly overpay, but more often to see how many of something I plan to old were sold. Because in the end, GoCollect.com has no information on the comics I am interested in. Despite these being 10-12 years old. While CPG does offer actual details, you need to sign in to see their estimated prices. Plus they are laggy. Plus the rest are ones I need to re-check just to give an honest assessment. But in the end I find that completed sales on eBay tend to be the best option. Because a price guide is only good when you have insurance involved. Just not sales, etc. when those moments are needed.  |
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poka private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Both ebay and GPA report in some cases incorrect and overstated sale prices. eg i have a fixed listing with no offer option at $400. someone sends me an email and say whether i can do $375. if i agree i will reply with the offer option via messenger available - once buyer accepts the transaction is agreed at $375. however the transaction will show as a sold item of $400 in both ebay and GPA another issue is shipping - gpa will not differentiate between whether free shipping was provided or shipping cost eg $40. so a relative larger sale price in GPA for the same item may just reflect that it was sold with free shipping |
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Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user | |
| and however the sale is reported by ebay is also how gocollect will show it...even if its not a factual completed sale, or was a best price offer, or even a fraudulent sale to boost feedbacks | ||
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 SpongeBob Comics #1 sells for $991!
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| I think the answer to the op’s question is: It depends on the book. I’m only familiar with GoCollect, and they offer a flagging option to call out mistakes. I’ve used this and seen corrections made. That Feature helps me trust the results. It’s not going to catch everything, but consider the typical clientele for GoCollect is a comic book guy who demands every thing to be accurate... not much will be missed. Also, one can customize which grades, graders, and label types one wants to consider, as well as insert a custom formula for determining values across grades. The default maths for this can be off, especially on rarely sold books, so customizing it is a useful tool. |
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Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I don't see much value in a pricing service you have to constantly correct and edit , but then that's just me.They report four venues and still have data errors. For me its just easier have a service generally not prone to errors, and that reports across the actual market, rather than sampling it. Again that's what I like..everyone differs |
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Terry88 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Thanks a bunch. So basically, they're all the same. |
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Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I wouldn't say they are the same, each has its strengths and issues. GPA doesn't for instance report CBCS slab sales...Gocollect doesn't report signed books....etc.....there seems to be no easy simple one step fix | ||
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 Not trying to be an ass since February 12, 2020.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town This ^ To price competitively; you need to use all available information. It also depends on how much you have invested and how quick you want to sell. For example - let’s say Batman 89 CGC 9.8 has an average sale of $110 and is still flying off the virtual shelves. you paid cover price for a few copies at release. You could price at the current FMV or price well below, move em quickly and still Triple your money. Same scenario- except you paid scalper prices so now you are into a Batman 89 for ~$50 after grading  . You need to dig a lil deeper find the selling average and come to a price you are comfortable with while still making some profit.To be lazy You could always just throw a number on it and see what Eventually sticks. |
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 I’m Kinda Married To A Celebrity.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town GoCollect does report signed book sales. There’s just a couple steps involved. If you click “Dive Deeper” and then “Refine” at the top of the page for any given book, you see this menu:  If you select both CBCS & CGC yellow label sales for ASM 300, for example, you get this:  You can then select individual sales & see who signed them & usually check paper quality and other such details. |
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Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user | |
| That's interesting..is it recently added or been there for a bit? Of they would just broaded out there sales reporting and so forth now....thanks for letting me know Slim | ||
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I’m Kinda Married To A Celebrity.
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00slim private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Darkseid_of_town As far as I know, it has always been there, I could be wrong. It’s not very self-explanatory though. Kinda buried & easy to overlook. | ||
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Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Intersting to find out, regardless, thanks for sharing | ||
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I’m Kinda Married To A Celebrity.
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00slim private msg quote post Address this user | |
| You’re welcome. It’s fairly useful. | ||
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| It's always been atleast since I've been a subscriber which is well over a year. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Terry88 Actually, that thread is two years old from an arguably unreliable narrator (ergo the CGC boards, which purportedly has a business association with GPA). It’s worth noting that GoCollect has broadened it’s data analysis capabilities somewhat. While I know most of the folks who were discussing this topic in that thread are fair minded, the CGC board moderation policies are very biased in respect to permissibility of allowable information. For instance, discussions that advocate for CBCS product in any fashion as an alternative to CGC risk being shut down and the posters responsible sanctioned. However, discussions critical of the competition are often allowed much broader latitude. Quote: Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town As I stated in the CGC vs CBCS thread, GoCollect usually has easy work arounds for publicly available data, even from claimed proprietary sources link CLink. Usually a single keystroke will take you to the specific CLink auctioned book on the CLink site and a second keystroke provides the bid history. This holds true for auctions into 2019. Unfortunately, CLink appears to have raised a barrier for data retrieval in most recent auctions as a dung beetle pops-up along with a denial of public access. Josh may be on a roll, but in my estimation it’s all uphill as this works against his auction site’s best interests. Your point about GPA’s sophistication at reaching 40 different sale sources is granted. The problem with GPA isn’t with the sources claimed covered, but the data intentionally overlooked and the reasons for it. If Baskin Robbins advertised 40 different flavors of ice cream, but all were variations of vanilla some folks might start to wonder why. |
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Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user | |
| sorry, hijacking isnt fair...deleted . Apologies | ||
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Not trying to be an ass since February 12, 2020.
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Puckster private msg quote post Address this user | |
| It's all kind of been said, but I've been using CPG for several years. I use it primarily as my personal database. The general price guide is just a big bonus. All of their data is user based. Prices are based on suggestions made by users. They take the suggestions which have to be backed up by recent sales prices. They then do their own research based on the suggestion. I know I've had some books I was looking up on ebay that did not reflect the price on CPG. Sent in suggestions. Sometimes they change the price and sometimes they don't. I think it primarily depends on consistency. |
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