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I'll probably wake up constipated. 20.1K	20.1K Pre_Coder private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by EbaySeller Quote: Originally Posted by Pre_Coder Quote: Originally Posted by sportshort Quote: Originally Posted by Pre_Coder IMO.... CBCS = more consistent accurate grading. CGC = more consistent grade bumping... $$$ PGX... I only know the horror stories. I've purchased only 1 pgx book (FF-100) graded at 6.5 that I got dirt cheap back in 2006. Cracked it out, went through the entire book and came to the conclusion that it was indeed a 6.5. I don't use pgx because of the bad reputation they have and people have glommed onto, ONLY. I've only had good experiences with them, but I like the forum here and I like the prices and quality of CBCS. otherwise... Please forget the trying to tell me why i'm wrong, we all have a right to our opinions and experiences. Did I do that?... I'm not finding it. Sorry, I'm not trying to tell anybody they are wrong... just my own personal experience. @Pre_Coder I think @sportshort last sentence was forward-looking, to critiques that might follow, not referring to your previous post as a critique. Thanks @EbaySeller for your analysis. If @sportshort was simply hoping to avoid critique. then quoting my post was unnecessary.
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I hear their hourly rate is outrageous! 20.77K	20.77K sportshort private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by EbaySeller Quote: Originally Posted by Pre_Coder Quote: Originally Posted by sportshort Quote: Originally Posted by Pre_Coder IMO.... CBCS = more consistent accurate grading. CGC = more consistent grade bumping... $$$ PGX... I only know the horror stories. I've purchased only 1 pgx book (FF-100) graded at 6.5 that I got dirt cheap back in 2006. Cracked it out, went through the entire book and came to the conclusion that it was indeed a 6.5. I don't use pgx because of the bad reputation they have and people have glommed onto, ONLY. I've only had good experiences with them, but I like the forum here and I like the prices and quality of CBCS. otherwise... Please forget the trying to tell me why i'm wrong, we all have a right to our opinions and experiences. Did I do that?... I'm not finding it. Sorry, I'm not trying to tell anybody they are wrong... just my own personal experience. @Pre_Coder I think @sportshort last sentence was forward-looking, to critiques that might follow, not referring to your previous post as a critique. @pre_coder, sorry if I gave the wrong impression, @ebayseller, is 100% correct.
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I'll probably wake up constipated. 20.1K	20.1K Pre_Coder private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by sportshort Quote: Originally Posted by EbaySeller Quote: Originally Posted by Pre_Coder Quote: Originally Posted by sportshort Quote: Originally Posted by Pre_Coder IMO.... CBCS = more consistent accurate grading. CGC = more consistent grade bumping... $$$ PGX... I only know the horror stories. I've purchased only 1 pgx book (FF-100) graded at 6.5 that I got dirt cheap back in 2006. Cracked it out, went through the entire book and came to the conclusion that it was indeed a 6.5. I don't use pgx because of the bad reputation they have and people have glommed onto, ONLY. I've only had good experiences with them, but I like the forum here and I like the prices and quality of CBCS. otherwise... Please forget the trying to tell me why i'm wrong, we all have a right to our opinions and experiences. Did I do that?... I'm not finding it. Sorry, I'm not trying to tell anybody they are wrong... just my own personal experience. @Pre_Coder I think @sportshort last sentence was forward-looking, to critiques that might follow, not referring to your previous post as a critique. @pre_coder, sorry if I gave the wrong impression, @ebayseller, is 100% correct. @sportshort Cool bro! @EbaySeller Thanks for chiming in.
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Collector 6.44K	6.44K starlord private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by EbaySeller Quote: Originally Posted by starlord He wanted a combo of both slab and graded raw grades. My prices are the same as reflected on gocollect, ebay and overstreet(if its a rare book. Raw Grade have not had a restoration check, and they don't have the security of a protective slab, so there should be some difference in price expectation. Thats true, but I rarely sell at full price. I toss offers and discounts and use raw grade to give me an idea of what I have. Also is an observation I had is that some people have been discouraged by the encapsulation because they can't read the book. I've had a few people tell me what good is the encapsulation if you can't read the book. To each their own opinion. I don't like sounding like a broken record, but the raw grades are cost effective for me since I can't grade them myself and I can't put that pressure on my assistant who already does too much.
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Collector 14.3K	14.3K Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	I think there are pros and cons to both services, but this past year I have seen a lot of books coming out of CGC that I frankly cannot justify the higher grades assigned. For me that suggests a massive problem brewing...because if you cannot expect the grade to be accurate what is the point of third party grading? I tend to favor the CGC label style more than the construction paper look of the CBCS labels, but as far as the case itself, I think the CBCS cases are far more quality optically speaking. I am somewhat 50/50 right now on it all..if the labels are improved for CBCS I might begin my someday bucket list plans to slab and so forth with a few thousand books.Meantime I just buy already slabbed books that draw my attention ...
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I’m not an ant. I’m a rootin tootin Hornet! 3.63K	3.63K Zombie_Head private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	All I’m going to say is it’s bad when PGX out grades CGC.
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I have a problem with fattening women up. 40.25K	40.25K Bronte private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	One of my books I sent to CGC for pressing finally shipped. It is a 9.2 but with zero grader notes. CBCS always gives notes on 9.6 or below from my previous experience. Surprised CGC is that lazy. It was originally a 8.5 CBCS
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	@Bronte sometimes they are put in late. Other times you have to email them and they will send you the notes that way
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COLLECTOR 13.26K	13.26K shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Most collectors of Modern books don't really care about the grade- just the number on the CGC slab. If you’re selling moderns, or bronze/copper keys, CBCS will usually put you at a disadvantage there. For older more valuable books, buyers will actually look at the book; and the name on the slab wont matter much (unless it’s pgx, then all bets are off).
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I have a problem with fattening women up. 40.25K	40.25K Bronte private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	@Steverogers11 That seems kinda odd. I submitted a bunch of stuff recently and some stuff have notes, others dont. I have not inquired on any of it. It just seemed the lower grades have it and the higher grades dont. (I just checked on a 9.4 book and no notes still shipped 4/20/20) I'll email them and ask.
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He sounds like a vegan who wants real mayonnaise to be vegan friendly. 1.46K	1.46K Instant_Subtitles private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 7
	I personally have read tons of messages from those who want to jump into the graded collectible market. A lot of them make mistakes by assuming a label or brand means more money and faster sales. Or that a high grade on a second print is more important than first print with a lower grade. It's just asinine. So for me it's like this: The comic has to look straight in its slab, I should not be questioning the grade it gets, there should be no production-related QC issues, and the label should look good. Here are the results I had when I made efforts to collect graded comics: The comic looks straight: CBCS for the win. At least when it comes to their slabs versus CGC's previous slabs. And with me building a small comic collection I hope the latter has improved theirs. Not questioning the grade: CBCS for the win. I bought a few CGC 9.8s where I felt that it had signs of being a high 9.6. Where as I bought CBCS where I either agreed or felt it was under-graded. No production QC issues: Both are guilty of this. That is all I will say. The difference is that I have not seen a CGC case where people would think it was tampered with. So CGC for a win in the end. The label looks good: Definitely CGC. @Darkseid_of_town said it best when it comes down to this. In the end I am split on who I should use. Because it is more about having something to pass down than it is to make money. Either way, people can always have a company do a crossover grade if they prefer one over another. Which I personally see as a respectable excuse to ask for a discount. And the buyer who literally wanted a 70% discount because the comics were not CGC? He is close to being as bad as this one AFA fanboy I cannot stand. Which is its own story. So... Yeah.
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Collector 14.3K	14.3K Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	Just tossing it around but a big step CBCS might consider is kicking down GPA's door and demanding to be treated equally and fairly , no longer the new kid on the block. I think if GPA were to include CBCS sales it would do a lot to level the playing field. The app that does attempt this so far, Gocollect has numerous data issues and errors and comes off short of doing it well
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Leftover Sundae Gnus 31.41K	31.41K CatmanAmerica private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 6
	Quote: Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town Just tossing it around but a big step CBCS might consider is kicking down GPA's door and demanding to be treated equally and fairly , no longer the new kid on the block. I think if GPA were to include CBCS sales it would do a lot to level the playing field. The app that does attempt this so far, Gocollect has numerous data issues and errors and comes off short of doing it well I tried kicking down GPA's door on this issue years ago and got nothing but double talk, so I dropped their service and requested a refund. Really haven't missed it. GPA doesn't appear to be much more than a shill company for CGC auctioned books. It wouldn't surprise me if some kinda under the table financial arrangement was involved. GoCollect is much better than GPA albeit imperfect. Errors notwithstanding, most of GoCollect's data is good and their auction sale coverage is more thorough. I'd recommend GoCollect over GPA every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. 80.08K	80.08K GAC private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	"Gocollect has numerous data issues and errors and comes off short of doing it well" ------------------------- Totally false statement above....and I completely agree with @CatmanAmerica. GoCollect is a far superior sales data tracking service.
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Collector 14.3K	14.3K Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by CatmanAmerica Quote: Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town Just tossing it around but a big step CBCS might consider is kicking down GPA's door and demanding to be treated equally and fairly , no longer the new kid on the block. I think if GPA were to include CBCS sales it would do a lot to level the playing field. The app that does attempt this so far, Gocollect has numerous data issues and errors and comes off short of doing it well I tried kicking down GPA's door on this issue years ago and got nothing but double talk, so I dropped their service and requested a refund. Really haven't missed it. GPA doesn't appear to be much more than a shill company for CGC auctioned books. It wouldn't surprise me if some kinda under the table financial arrangement was involved. GoCollect is much better than GPA albeit imperfect. Errors notwithstanding, most of GoCollect's data is good and their auction sale coverage is more thorough. I'd recommend GoCollect over GPA every day of the week and twice on Sundays. I myself understand perfectly why GPA wouldn't and shouldn't have accepted cbcs years ago...no census or register to verify serial numbers and graded totals etc. Without that transparency and ability I would not have either. Pretty direct accusation there about GPA , I would assume you have some evidence to suggest wrong doing and shilling for their part then? Simply reporting sales isn't shilling..its what reporters, scientists and so forth do daily. Also make note that GPA does not attempt to create false data by guessing the supposed prices for books when a sale does not exist...they simply report the sales and nothing more. Unless of course there is some agenda or effort to foul play of some sort....I do agree at this point its somewhat critical for them to accept cbcs as tried and accepted and a viable commodity. If GPA has a flaw its that they need to now open the doors to providing cbcs data as well...if there is impropriety or something amiss you are aware of by all means, lets see the evidence for that please? Regarding Gocollect, I think people have a right to an opinion. Suggesting a pricing service that is admittedly imperfect is somehow far and above better than others however is similar in logic to arguing your girlfriend is sort of pregnant. If data is flawed, it is . Anyone who has used the program has encountered the broken links, and missing information for some sales. Faulty data presentation, sourcing and utilization are not what I consider as "head and shoulders above and beyond " etc, sorry.
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Collector 14.3K	14.3K Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by GAC " Gocollect has numerous data issues and errors and comes off short of doing it well" ------------------------- Totally false statement above....and I completely agree with @CatmanAmerica. GoCollect is a far superior sales data tracking service. You can agree with whom you choose...the evidence is that the program does have many broken links, missing data, and so forth. You can deny all you like, but anyone who opens the app and tracks sales can find the same issues.
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Beaten by boat oars 54.29K	54.29K Studley_Dudley private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 6
	Quote: Originally Posted by starlord I regularly submit to both CGC and CBCS, but I prefer CBCS. Today I had a customer want to pick up a couple of my CBCS slabs, raw grades key books ranging from 3.0 to 6.5. Upon checkout he asked if I can give a discount as he was buying so much. I did. That's when the fun came in, he offered me 30% of the total because "CGC is the standard and that these these books graded by CBCS are not blah blah blah"so therefore the price was only worth that much. I explained that that price I gave him was the best I could do. He then offered me 35%, then 45 ultimately 50%. Then that was the end. So my question is I know there's a difference between the three certification companies, and I know that there is competition between the two, but what's the fuss? As fellow collectors what your opinions on the two? I just figure this is a case of someone trying to put one over me. To me, the guy sounds like he was trying to pull a fast one on you. I'll get some people on the 'Bay try to pull that crap with me. As others have stated, I buy and sell both CGC and CBCS slabs. I renewed my CGC membership because they were running a 1/2 off promo on the low-end membership, so $12 wasn't too bad to see if the Newton rings are still a thing. Anyways, there are people who try to play the "CGC is the gold standard" card but I ignore it. Truth be told, both companies have had moments of inconsistent grading and services. Having a VSP option from CBCS is nice when it comes to unwitnessed signatures. I like the clarity of the CBCS slab, but the label is kind of bland (still miles ahead of the rivet label from before). I've submitted to mostly CBCS in the last few years, but have not had any issues with CGC's services outside of their shipping department not adequately packing items resulting in a couple damaged slabs. CGC also has the magazine size slabs which is a plus, although CBCS should be working on that. I find it is a lot of personal preference, and both companies will have their supporters and detractors. Some feel they can get more return on investment with CGC while others feel CBCS has more consistent grading. It's kinda like Coke vs Pepsi.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. 80.08K	80.08K GAC private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	@Studley_Dudley Yup, gotta agree with you! Theres no question CBCS is a legit rival to CGC.....Coke vs Pepsi sums it up quite nicely.
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for. 30.29K	30.29K drchaos private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	I just picked up my auction winnings. The lone PGX book got a 5.5 grade despite a clearly visible sub crease right through the middle of the front cover. As their grading is suspect you should pretend you are looking at a raw book and examine the pictures very carefully. I usually avoid PGX books links the plague but I now finally own the firstvappearan appearance of professor zoom aka reverse flash.
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I’m Kinda Married To A Celebrity. 18.85K	18.85K 00slim private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by GAC " Gocollect has numerous data issues and errors and comes off short of doing it well" ------------------------- Totally false statement above....and I completely agree with @CatmanAmerica. GoCollect is a far superior sales data tracking service. I prefer GoCollect overall. But they do occasionally categorize sales incorrectly. A good example is TMNT #1. You’ll find 2nd, 3rd, & 4th Print sales lumped in with the 2nd Print’s stats, throwing off the averages. It’s quick & easy to report the issues & they do correct them promptly. It’s just something you have to look out for if a key book has multiple printings.
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Beaten by boat oars 54.29K	54.29K Studley_Dudley private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	I've purchased one PGX slab. I bought it because it was cheap, and since the slab was busted it was already on its way for reslab/regrade with CBCS. It was an X-Men #3 that was a 5.5, and upon regrade became a 5.0. Not too bad. I had considered sending PGX a few books to try them out back in 2016, but read a few horror stories and decided not to go down that road.
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Collector 1.07K	1.07K rtdcomics private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 4
	I have both CGC and CBCS in my collection. Like most I would say they both have their pro's and con's but my preference is CBCS. For me a key part of grading a comic is the presentation and, in my opinion, CBCS blow CGC out of the water on the visual presentation of a comic. I don't need a fancy hero label, what I'd like is for my comics to not have crazy Newton Rings all over the case. I dont buy the whole 'you can just get it re-cased' argument. If they quality checked before items were dispatched, and still sent, then thats a major 'F you' in my books. I also prefer the service at CBCS. I had issues with CBCS a few years back when my order took around 8 months, contact was minimal and just didnt feel supported but, for me personally, I have received nothing but first class service since coming back. I feel engaged by the people I have dealt with and even the forum seems to have a completely different feel to it. The amount of times I have heard, at comic shows, that customers dont want certain books because they are not CGC amazes me. Maybe this is win/win for us though as leaves them for us collectors who can see past something as simple as a brand name. Re: GoCollect / GPA - I have both. Recently signed up to GPA because GoCollect doesnt give me signed prices. Happy with both at the moment but again both have advantages. GPA for signed prices and GoCollect for ease/speed of use.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. 80.08K	80.08K GAC private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by 00slim Quote: Originally Posted by GAC " I prefer GoCollect overall. But they do occasionally categorize sales incorrectly. A good example is TMNT #1. You’ll find 2nd, 3rd, & 4th Print sales lumped in with the 2nd Print’s stats, throwing off the averages. It’s quick & easy to report the issues & they do correct them promptly. It’s just something you have to look out for if a key book has multiple printings. I agree GoCollect is not without its errors but like you said they are easily addressed and I find it superior to GPA.
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Collector 14.3K	14.3K Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	waits to see how its easily fixed that they don't keep data for signed books, and that data is mechanically collected via ebay vs by human hands on Hake, HA, and Comiclink, Cconnect ONLY and not collected at all anywhere else at all. Sounds easily addressed alright...…..
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. 80.08K	80.08K GAC private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 5
	@rtdcomics I also have both CGC and CBCS in my collection...I find CBCS so much more hobby friendly on top of the consistent grading....the VSP program was great! Both companies are very good but my preference is CBCS. The hobby needs competition in this arena.
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. 60.07K	60.07K DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 5
	I'm not a fan of the CBCS label. Someone hit the nail on the head when they said it looked like construction paper.
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PLOD 2.6K	2.6K theCapraAegagrus private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	A lot of "yikes" in here... Any graded 9.8 may look like a 9.6 to another. That's the subjective nature of grading for ya. Buy the book, not the label, for any/all comics - not just PGX. Neither CGC nor CBCS are the authority on comic grading.
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Collector 14.3K	14.3K Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	They are both actually "authorities" on grading.
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	No Newton rings Free grader’s notes via QR CODE No need to reslab More accurate grading This forum No movement of the book in slab Pricing Slimmer less bulky case If cbcs pressing tats were better,they were grading bigger sized books ,and they had some character labels it’d be no contest lol
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Just tossing it around but a big step CBCS might consider is kicking down GPA's door and demanding to be treated equally and fairly , no longer the new kid on the block. I think if GPA were to include CBCS sales it would do a lot to level the playing field.

The app that does attempt this so far, Gocollect has numerous data issues and errors and comes off short of doing it well

I tried kicking down GPA's door on this issue years ago and got nothing but double talk, so I dropped their service and requested a refund. Really haven't missed it. GPA doesn't appear to be much more than a shill company for CGC auctioned books. It wouldn't surprise me if some kinda under the table financial arrangement was involved.

GoCollect is much better than GPA albeit imperfect. Errors notwithstanding, most of GoCollect's data is good and their auction sale coverage is more thorough. I'd recommend GoCollect over GPA every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
I myself understand perfectly why GPA wouldn't and shouldn't have accepted cbcs years ago...no census or register to verify serial numbers and graded totals etc. Without that transparency and ability I would not have either.

Census and Registry provide important internal data for maintaining provenance of books, but are more like window dressing when it comes to market sales criteria. Auctions and private sales of specific books provide the only usable data for determining market trends. Census data is notoriously inaccurate and serial numbers only matter when labels are resubmitted with books if they're reholdered.

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Pretty direct accusation there about GPA , I would assume you have some evidence to suggest wrong doing and shilling for their part then? Simply reporting sales isn't shilling..its what reporters, scientists and so forth do daily. Also make note that GPA does not attempt to create false data by guessing the supposed prices for books when a sale does not exist...they simply report the sales and nothing more. Unless of course there is some agenda or effort to foul play of some sort....I do agree at this point its somewhat critical for them to accept cbcs as tried and accepted and a viable commodity.

Far from it. I could go back to their response to my email from June 13, 2016 to provide evidence. Here is their response (in quotes, names left off):

"...we don't have any plans at this stage to include sales from other certification services.

As we have done in the past, we concentrate on collecting, collating and analysing CGC comics specifically.

Please do not hesitate to contact us should you require further assistance.

Regards..."

Ask yourself, why would GPA in their own words just concentrate on CGC specifically unless there was some kind of business relationship? You're right that reporting sales isn't shilling per se, but the definition of what constitutes shilling is vague as well, dependent upon whether the term is being employed an intransitive verb or a noun. Arguably reporting selected sales to the benefit of one company over another when there's any financial involvement could be considered shilling by proxy. Note: This includes any advertising involvement, editorial opinion pieces, etc.

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If GPA has a flaw its that they need to now open the doors to providing cbcs data as well...if there is impropriety or something amiss you are aware of by all means, lets see the evidence for that please?

There is no "if", GPA has some serious blind spots and the flaws are apparently by intent. See my included quote from the four year old email above. I didn't delete it because I knew this would be an ongoing issue with the data service.

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Regarding Gocollect, I think people have a right to an opinion. Suggesting a pricing service that is admittedly imperfect is somehow far and above better than others however is similar in logic to arguing your girlfriend is sort of pregnant. If data is flawed, it is.

I think people have a right to inform their opinions based on facts. For instance, if one's girlfriend gets pregnant that's a verifiable fact. How she got that way begs other questions.

So, given the hypothetical that one company has the appearance of being in bed with another, what should we believe about a company knowingly providing incomplete data?

Seriously, flawed data can be measured and reconsidered on it's merits, omitted data cannot. Making a concerted effort to avoid including data based on a business model is misleading and an egregious abuse of the public's right to full disclosure of market information.

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Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town
Anyone who has used the program has encountered the broken links, and missing information for some sales. Faulty data presentation, sourcing and utilization are not what I consider as "head and shoulders above and beyond " etc, sorry.

I've found work arounds for a lot of the GoCollect data I need, but there were none for the intentionally omitted data from GPA. Of course that was four years ago. I quit using them due to their direct connection to CGC and thinly veiled bias.

Through GoCollect it takes a couple of extra clicks to get most of ComicLink's older public auction sales data which Josh apparently considers proprietary (blocking access to auction bidding data should be a violation of law, but that's a whole 'nother debate).

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