CGC VS CBCS12155
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starlord private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I regularly submit to both CGC and CBCS, but I prefer CBCS. Today I had a customer want to pick up a couple of my CBCS slabs, raw grades key books ranging from 3.0 to 6.5. Upon checkout he asked if I can give a discount as he was buying so much. I did. That's when the fun came in, he offered me 30% of the total because "CGC is the standard and that these these books graded by CBCS are not blah blah blah"so therefore the price was only worth that much. I explained that that price I gave him was the best I could do. He then offered me 35%, then 45 ultimately 50%. Then that was the end. So my question is I know there's a difference between the three certification companies, and I know that there is competition between the two, but what's the fuss? As fellow collectors what your opinions on the two? I just figure this is a case of someone trying to put one over me. |
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I buy and sell both CGC and CBCS...I consider them equals but I personally prefer CBCS. When buying and selling I price a CGC and CBCS book the same for same grades. I've heard of people trying to get a lower price saying CGC is the standard etc...I have little patience for this....I explain to the customer that I consider both companies as equals...if they still want to debate it they get blocked. That 3rd company...to me...is never considered....I wish they'd go away actually. CBCS is more hobby friendly than CGC. You can see this in the services CBCS provides us and how CGC handles themselves corporately and competitively. |
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Cohnman private msg quote post Address this user | |
| My experience with both i refuse to pay the membership fees from cgc i personally like cbcs,one reason they offer more services,2nd i know they are more consistent with there grading,also they respond quickly to any ? I have but to answer your ? Cgc sells for about 15% to 20% more.I will still go cbcs.we can't allow one company to dominate the business, they also dont charge for graders knote $10 for cgc. | ||
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dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I agree with @GAC. CGC is the de facto standard. I value CBCS at the same level. I’m not necessarily opposed to buying a PGX book, though I would do so with the intent on getting it reslabbed. That said, I think a lot of sellers are overoptimistic in their pricing of PGX books and have never seen one of their books for sale at a tempting price | ||
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
| People have google yes?? They know our CBCS was founded by CGC's top grader yes?? If anything I would say that is a detriment to CGC!!! Right now I have a few books I might get graded by CGX sorry CGC because I believe their grading to be sub-par. These are books I have multiples of so I was going to keep the highest and try to sell/trade the lower. AS @GAC said that other company has had issues...not sure how one comes back from that |
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 "Forum Overlord" bah ha ha ha...
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JustThatGuy private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @starlord I’d offer him 65% of the same CBCS books if he can get them at 50% or lower. | ||
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 I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery.
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I think the cgc has an edge because they have a Registy. Collectors like to fill holes. Personally, I prefer CBCS graded books. They appear to be more consistent. | ||
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| I've heard people say that CGC gets a premium over CBCS since day one. That premium has decreased from a 30% difference to about a 10% difference is what I hear now. Of course, there are examples where CBCS has gotten more than CGC, but those are ignored because there tends to not be that many CGC sales to compare to. However, there is no way to account for the actual appearance of the book, how good a job the seller did listing it, the quality of the pictures, how long the auction lasted, whether it was an auction or a BIN, or what day of the week the auction ended, etc. All of these can factor into a final selling price. And that's IF they are comparing sales on the same platform (ebay, Heritage, etc). Anyone who says that CBCS is worth 50% of CGC prices is just full of it. They are either trying to pull a fast one or a MAJOR CGC fanboy. And quite honestly, I think the average CGC supporter sees CBCS as not being equal to CGC, but I think very few, if any, of them would say 50% value. I think the guy was just being a jerk. Also, I believe that with the CBCS population report now online, you will see CBCS closing that percentage to where it will be negligible. But for right now, the general consensus is that CGC does command a slight premium. That doesn't mean it is technically accurate. |
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00slim private msg quote post Address this user | |
| In my experience, CGC books sell faster, and if they sell for more, it’s only a marginal difference. Keys go for the same money. Hardcore CGC guys dismiss CBCS simply because they aren’t CGC. Some had bad experiences with CBCS back when the major backlog happened a few years ago & never gave them a second chance. PGX has a long history of over-grading & shady business practices. Supposedly they’ve cleaned up their act in the last few years, but I don’t trust them. The guy you were dealing with was a flipper. He was looking at his bottom-line (cost of re-grading, etc.) He would have said anything he could to get the books for cheaper. |
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 I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie.
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flanders private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I prefer CBCS, they don't nickel and dime you any chance they get and the only problem I've had selling is when some total jackass is also selling the same slab and grade as me but far below market value due to the misconception that CBCS is of lower quality than CGC. I know that CBCS slabs still don't sell as well as CGC at auctions so I still refrain from listing my slabs this way. I still had no trouble selling a Bone 1 cbcs vsp 9.0 recently that I won at auction a year earlier at less than half the price. Part of me wants to submit to CGC on comics I intend to flip, despite my dislike of their excessive fees and newton rings but Ive yet to use them for grading. | ||
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 Not trying to be an ass since February 12, 2020.
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HulkSmash private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I don’t think I’ll ever submit to CGC; I don’t care for some of their business practices and I feel that they are riding a wave of unconditional trust from collectors. For Me CBCS is the way to go at least for now. I feel they are more reasonable and am comfortable doing business with them. Everyone makes mistakes and shit happens even at CBCS and CGC. I still go to Whataburger even though I occasionally get onions when ask for “no onions”. |
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 I'll probably wake up constipated.
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Pre_Coder private msg quote post Address this user | |
| IMO.... CBCS = more consistent accurate grading. CGC = more consistent grade bumping... $$$ PGX... I only know the horror stories. I've purchased only 1 pgx book (FF-100) graded at 6.5 that I got dirt cheap back in 2006. Cracked it out, went through the entire book and came to the conclusion that it was indeed a 6.5. |
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50AE_DE private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @starlord Were these slabs or CBCS Raw Grades? If they were CBCS Raw Grades, how were they priced? Full slab price or a percentage of what slabs sell for? | ||
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Steverogers11 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| CBCS to keep cgc to sell | ||
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 I hear their hourly rate is outrageous!
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sportshort private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Pre_Coder I don't use pgx because of the bad reputation they have and people have glommed onto, ONLY. I've only had good experiences with them, but I like the forum here and I like the prices and quality of CBCS. otherwise... Please forget the trying to tell me why i'm wrong, we all have a right to our opinions and experiences. |
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GanaSoth private msg quote post Address this user | |
| CGC for quick turn arounds (and I mean selling not getting them slabbed) because the ignorant think that CGC is better. For my personal preference, I prefer CBCS. Better quality on grading, they use slabs that don't need to ever be re-slabbed, and they are a better quality company hands down. What grade you see is what you actually get. |
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starlord private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by 50AE_DE He wanted a combo of both slab and graded raw grades. My prices are the same as reflected on gocollect, ebay and overstreet(if its a rare book.) I usually give a discount on multiple books and for my regulars.I'm very flexible with my pricing for the most part. For example the fantastic 4 number 2 I priced myself out all the running of it realistically be sold at what I'm asking. But it is for sale that's just my price for me to let it go. A.k.a. I really don't don't want to let go of it. Somebody were to come to me or message me I'm more than happy to work with them. As long as it's reasonable. |
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TexasNoob private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Even though CGC may be the popular "standard" now, it doesn't mean their customers won't lose faith if they make enough mistakes. By the way, who low balls by 70%? That guy sounds like a real piece of work... |
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I'll probably wake up constipated.
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Pre_Coder private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Steverogers11 Sorry, but I can't take advantage of a buyer by selling them slabbed books that I feel are overgraded. Back around 2012 I sent a tec-111 to CGC that I, my LCS, and presser, graded at 4.5. Keep in mind, this is not a key book but it is an action cover. Anyway, CGC graded it 6.0. We all 3 said... BULLSHIT! In 2018 I sold the book (still slabbed) to an individual for cash. And I told the buyer this is NOT a 6.0... it is a 4.5 and that is the current price I am asking. I have ethics!  |
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 I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).Splotches is gettin old! |
Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| "CGC is the standard" - OCD and lunacy at it's finest. Gotta love the looney tunes | ||
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 Masculinity takes a holiday.
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EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by starlord He's just a bottom-feeder trying to work you over. Tell him that you are in the comic book business, not the slab business. As long as you agree with the CBCS grade, that's how you are going to value the book. When this fella want to invest his life's savings in his own small business, he is free to sell slabs first and the comic books inside them second, and he can value them as he sees fit. |
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Masculinity takes a holiday.
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EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by starlord Raw Grade have not had a restoration check, and they don't have the security of a protective slab, so there should be some difference in price expectation. |
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I'll probably wake up constipated.
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Pre_Coder private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by sportshort Did I do that?... I'm not finding it. Sorry, I'm not trying to tell anybody they are wrong... just my own personal experience. |
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EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Pre_Coder @Pre_Coder I think @sportshort last sentence was forward-looking, to critiques that might follow, not referring to your previous post as a critique. |
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50AE_DE private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySeller Yes, raw grades aren't checked for restoration. In this case, CBCS Raw Grades are as reliable as PGX's graded copies, meaning there may or may not be restoration on the book since PGX's reputation on spotting restoration isn't very good. |
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I'll probably wake up constipated.
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Pre_Coder private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySeller Thanks @EbaySeller for your analysis. If @sportshort was simply hoping to avoid critique. then quoting my post was unnecessary. |
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I hear their hourly rate is outrageous!
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sportshort private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySeller @pre_coder, sorry if I gave the wrong impression, @ebayseller, is 100% correct. |
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I'll probably wake up constipated.
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Pre_Coder private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by sportshort @sportshort Cool bro!   @EbaySeller Thanks for chiming in. |
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starlord private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySeller Thats true, but I rarely sell at full price. I toss offers and discounts and use raw grade to give me an idea of what I have. Also is an observation I had is that some people have been discouraged by the encapsulation because they can't read the book. I've had a few people tell me what good is the encapsulation if you can't read the book. To each their own opinion. I don't like sounding like a broken record, but the raw grades are cost effective for me since I can't grade them myself and I can't put that pressure on my assistant who already does too much. |
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Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I think there are pros and cons to both services, but this past year I have seen a lot of books coming out of CGC that I frankly cannot justify the higher grades assigned. For me that suggests a massive problem brewing...because if you cannot expect the grade to be accurate what is the point of third party grading? I tend to favor the CGC label style more than the construction paper look of the CBCS labels, but as far as the case itself, I think the CBCS cases are far more quality optically speaking. I am somewhat 50/50 right now on it all..if the labels are improved for CBCS I might begin my someday bucket list plans to slab and so forth with a few thousand books.Meantime I just buy already slabbed books that draw my attention ... |
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