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Following is an article from comicsheatingup. Quote: Originally Posted by comicsheatingup article link Picture of the DC email. |
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Wow! I have heard LCS workers complain about Diamond for years! This will be interesting to see how bad/good they really were with these new companies... |
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Maybe my books won't show up damaged now. | ||
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Collector | manfred_spain private msg quote post Address this user | |
Sounds like a lot of lost revenue for Diamond. Wonder how that affects their long-term health. Yikes! | ||
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Collector | infinityG private msg quote post Address this user | |
Does Marvel/Disney need them as a distributor? I can see a lot small publishers doing their own distributing. Is this the beginning of the end for Diamond? | ||
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Collector | manfred_spain private msg quote post Address this user | |
That really is the question. Does Marvel go all in to help leap them going or not? They've certainly done the self distribution thing before, but I think they saw how bad it hurt things back then and may want to keep Diamond afloat to have some distribution options and keep competition alive. It could go either way -- a good thing, or ultimately the end of Diamond. | ||
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That’s a plus, pretty much a monopoly. Now Musk vs Bezos, someone needs to make a series about that, maybe Image? | ||
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Collector | starlord private msg quote post Address this user | |
Whoa, Diamond hasn't sent me notice if it's true. | ||
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-Our Odin- Rest in Peace |
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Chuck Rozanski from Mile High just shared this on Facebook. Quote: Originally Posted by Chuck Rozanski Remember, the codeword will be good once the newsletter goes out. Chuck made this a shareable post, so I'm assuming it's okay to share. |
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...and Diamond’s reply to DC’s action |
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If I could, I would. I swear. | DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
If Chuck is against it, then I am all for it. | ||
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Collector | Donnied private msg quote post Address this user | |
That was a pretty self-serving and biased letter from Mr. Rozanski. Seeing a monopoly broken up doesn't bother me a bit. I'd be curious to hear from some of the independent distributors that were put out of business by Diamond getting the monopoly originally. I'll ask a friend of mine who was one of those people, but I'm pretty sure I know what he'll say. DC doesn't owe anything to Diamond, and if they can become more profitable then that means they keep producing product to sell to the LCS, that we can buy and enjoy. AT&T could easily shut them down if they are a burden on the bottom line. |
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Suck it up, buttercup!! | KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
wow....so 2x the shipping/distribution costs for my LCS to cover...yeah...we'll see if I have a place to buy new comics in a little while - what a cluster f@ck!! | ||
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This is the part of Chuck's letter than I'm concerned about. Especially the last sentence. I'm curious what MCS is going to say. |
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@KatKomics - I'm not in the business but I'd think it would be twice the paperwork but the same shipping/distribution costs. I would hope the new distributors would see the need to not overburden the retailers with too much additional overhead. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Donnied There will be higher shipping cost for sure |
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. | GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
I always thought comics shops felt Diamond was a burden....a monopoly with a stranglehold on them. Was this not the case? If it was the case shouldn't this be good news to them? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O And if history is any indicator I still won't find a single book that I want anywhere close to FMV. |
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Collector | 00slim private msg quote post Address this user | |
So, DC dropping Diamond is official. Wow. It’ll be interesting to see what this means in the long run. Competition is good, that said, I don’t envy anyone in the LCS business right now. I hope this helps & doesn’t hurt them. |
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I've no pity for Diamond. | ||
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My son has a comic book store, he is not worried in the least. New comics bring in a lot of foot traffic, and increase the gross, but are not profitable enough. He long ago diversified into all sorts of collectibles, and on line sales. The few storefronts that are left doing mainly new will have a hard time, but due to the low margins, have been shrinking anyway. With the modern distancing issues, those that used gaming to survive may be in trouble too. Don’t like seeing folks go out of business though, if that is the result, we will know soon. If you have a store, I hope you are well diversified. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Donnied Distribution isn't the problem for DC. While sales are decent it is mostly just Batman titles that are selling. Nothing else. I DC's letter they clearly put the "blame" on sales on Diamond (and probably the retailers to) which is really not right. If only Batman is selling then that could mean that the other titles need improvement or they, DC, aren't promoting them well enough. You could dump the blame on Diamond and retailers but they can only make suggestions on what to read and, from experience, that isn't going to happen. AT&T absorbed a massive debt from the purchase of Time/Warner and just having more control over the distribution isn't going to improve sales. It is also going to stress retailers that are already stress financially because of the pandemic. They are being forced to absorb more cost, not offer DC, or fold up shop. Of course DC couldn't care less they want to collapse the physical copy market as the ultimate goal is to have it all digital anyway. I don't have an issue with DC wanting to ditch Diamond. That's their choice but they could have done the responsible thing and eased the change by honouring the June orders to Diamond as they had agreed. That gives retailers the opportunity to talk with DC's "distributors" and make up their mind what to do. Instead they chose the toxic move of telling retailers and Diamond F-U do it our way or nothing. Right at a time when many store are financially stress after two or more months of lockdown. Then there is the move they made of dumping a bunch of titles but having the last few issues online. This is a toxic move as well because, while I understand the move, it shows that they don't understand their market very well. Lots of people don't want digital, don't want to buy/read trades, and don't like having holes in their collection. In the case of DC I don't even trust them to do as they and put the missing issues in a trade because they have the wonderful habit of regularly leaving issues out of trades. You also have to consider that if they just keep canning titles that don't have huge numbers willy-nilly that those of who do like to pick up these titles may now opt to skip ordering them in the future just because we know that DC will yank it at some point. Due to DC's moves in the last month I see no reason to support them. I have made the decision that if they want to force everyone to do their bidding whether or not they can afford it and possibly cause a contraction in the market then I will not support them. I can put those dollars on either back issues or more material from other publishers. To me applauding or shrugging off the lost of retailers is very sad when we all know that the hobby isn't growing the way it needs to to continue. We need the new market to sustain or create interest in the back issue market. Once the new stuff is gone how far behind will the interest and value remain in back issues? Granted it wouldn't be a sudden death rather a slow painful attrition as those that are just starting out collecting get older and older and eventually there are few left to carry the torch into the future. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by doog He should be a bit concerned because now, to stock DC, he will have to incure more cost which will decrease his margins overall. I agree that diversification is required because surviving on comics alone isn't terribly profitable in a brick and mortar establishment. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Oxbladder Splendid overview, I think that all points are salient. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomics It's certainly a kick in the teeth. It will be interesting to see what some retailers will offer since right now it's pretty much just the Batman titles selling above subscription orders. Before the lockdowns my retailer had cut the majority of DC titles down to just what he need to fill subscriber's orders as they weren't selling. he also is now being asked to absorb more cost at a time where he is still looking for a new location as his old location was demolished after the roof caved in during a snowstorm back in October of last year. He's been scrabbling to figure out what this is all going to mean for him cost-wise. He has no idea what discounts, shipping and customs costs (for thing like statues) will be. Depending on margins he may not be able to offer discounts on DC product. Imagine how that would go over in a tightwad region? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Oxbladder Sooner than later. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Pre_Coder Very true. I read digital but I sure wouldn't want to spend what I am now for online books. They'll need to have a very good and affordable system set up to have people buy digital the way they do hard copies. IMHO Marvel has the best framework right now to go strictly digital. All they really would need to do is increase their annual Unlimited charge a bit, have a per month option that would add up to more than the annual fee, and add new stuff as it comes out not six or more months down the road. With single issues, if someone wished to go that way, they should be less than hard copy prices and after a month they should be half the price. ComiXology-wise they would need to have their Unlimited service available outside the USA set up a similar tiered system and for the Unlimited subscribers they would be able to read new issues as they come out. The big task is getting people to accept reading digitally, which isn't so easy from what I have seen from comments online. |
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Yes, I had a Kindle, vastly prefer books. The greatest thing about comics is keeping them, Hoarding them, etc, digital is far less cool, IMO. Business has dreams how we are all gonna change, in a way more profitable to their plans, they guess wrong a lot. |
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You got to figure someone will talk them out of going all digital. I'm not paying for a digital comic; not a penny. If they do it, I'll just borrow the digital copies from my library. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by CatCovers You would think so. Back in the 90's when Marvel was talking about their pending move to exclusive distribution they had meetings in various cities to discuss the move virtually everyone at our meeting told them that it was a bad move for various reasons. They didn't care. The session was really just to tell us it was happening, period. So, I'm not optimistic that they would listen to us. Maybe smaller press might but Marvel and DC really don't care because, ultimately, it's up to their parent companies and they are too rich to care what their customers think. |
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