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| Trying to remember the mid-80's low print run Black and White Indies movement as best I can. If I remember correctly TMNT was the first to get big enough to give the movement traction...and remains the king to this day. Grendel had enough success to move from B+W to color with Comico. Two I can think of that looked viable for a while were Flaming Carrot and Fish Police. I have collected a full set of Flaming Carrot (easy since they have very little value) and I haven't read them in 30 years but I still like looking at the covers from time to time. Dark Horse continues today but I don't think any of their original B+W series really went anywhere or increased in value? Anyone else a fan of Flaming Carrot, or some other Indie the doesn't exist today? Are there other successes from the era that I'm missing? | ||
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| Walking dead is over and in black and white | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Magellan Oh yeah, that's another OG that came from that era. For some reason the early ones like Tick and TMNT were getting printed in magazine size not comic size. Walking Dead was different era. |
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Black and white indy suck soooo badd!!!! Carrot especially!! UT!!!!        |
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| OMG!! almost forgot about SCUD!!! Loved SCUD!!! have the whole run! | ||
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Ooooooo always a fav is Cerebus..although I haven't read all 300 issues and I understand things go off at some point....from what I have read though it was great!! |
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| Man, when I was just getting back into comics again after a long hiatus, I got Cerberus #1 in a collection purchase. I only knew the major keys and assumed it was dreck. Sold the whole box for probably $200. It was Fine+ minimum. Closer to VF/NM. If I only knew. |
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Journey is probably my favorite ‘80s B&W book. I enjoyed a lot of those books, including Flaming carrot. Cerebus and Elfquest were probably the first B&W indie hits, but there is no question that it was the success of the Turtles that started the boom. So many of these came out in 1986 and 1987. Some were pretty good, many were not. Probably the worst one I remember was Blackmoon. The ads in the fan press made it look so cool! A lot of memories for me in that era.  |
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| Adolescent Radioactive Black Belt Hamsters fell short of long term value growth expectations (lol). Boris the Bear also disappointed, along with Fish Police. Cerebus and Elfquest I believe were both well ahead of the Indie movement that caught traction with TMNT. I'm thinking maybe Love and Rockets was before the movement as well? All high quality stuff that was able to survive the early stages and develop big enough followings to fight their way through the glut. |
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| Adolescent Radioactive Black Belt Hamsters, Boris the Bear, Fish Police, as mentioned above, plus Captain Confederacy, The Realm, I had picked up these and more back in the 80's. I think I bought darn near every B & W comic that was published from about 1985-ish and on. There was even a comic back then titled "The Walking Dead" which I have a copy of somewhere. Here's a random one I just happened to have a scan handy. ignore the streak that looks like a subscription crease - that was from a failing scanner that I was using a while back.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by ThreeSeas After the Walking Dead TV show started I was looking at a list of books I had bought years ago. It said I had a copy of #1. I dug through about 15 long boxes and found it.  Wrong one.   Does Caliber Presents or The Crow count?  |
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| @EbaySeller it was really the success of Black Belt hamsters that carried the movement off the rails. I bought that one back in the day as well and I remember that it became a $20 comic virtually overnight. The art was SOOOO bad! I think that a “these people will obviously buy anything” mentality began to prevail. The number of mutant animal comics alone was sickening. When Boris the Bear came along and slaughtered them all, it was a job that needed doing! Speaking of Boris reminds me of Dark Horse’s Concrete, another book very high on my list of 80s B&Ws and one that is well worth checking out. | ||
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| IMO, the best independent comic published was and will always be Bone by Jeff Smith. | ||
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| Loved the Adolescent Radioactive Black Belt Hamsters (the 1st TMNT ripoff) and the first issue of that series actually went into a second printing. My personal favorite from the 1980s indie era was Stig's Inferno, which started self-published I believe by Ty Templeton and then ended with Eclipse Comics. It still has a cult following (no pun intended) here in the Chicago area.   |
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| @EbaySeller veering a bit from strictly sticking to the mid 80s part of your question, (that's a bit narrow), here are a few other low print run, B&W indys that were IMO pretty decent books, which had some demand, but remain to this day mostly just cult fan faves: - 1st Strangers in Paradise series (Antarctic Press, print run low thousands) - 1st Nexus series (three issue B&W, Captial Comics, oversized) - Poison Elves (formerly I, Lusiphur) Mulehide Graphics - Madman (somebody already mentioned this one I think) 1st Tundra series, early Mike Allred - Eightball (Daniel Clowes, Fantagraphics) was this B&W? Think so - Ultra Klutz, Father & Son (early Jeff Nicholson work) - Love & Rockets (Hernandez Bros, self-published before Fantagraphics) Actually, I there are really too many, realizing now it would take me all day to do this justice  You guys hit on many of the others - Grendel, Bone, etc... It was definitely a cool genre and time. |
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This is an autobiographical essay about the B&W boom period from a fanzine I used to publish. You guys may find it interesting.  |
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| @michaelekrupp Dang, that article pretty well nails it. I think understanding 1986 in historical perspective is fascinating. CGC would not start slabbing books for another 14 years. The internet was a long ways off, so information moved slowly. The comic book "glut" had not occurred yet. In fact the indie movement may have been the stepping stone that eventually led to the collecting glut (for some reason buying Indies felt more Hipster than geeky, so it may have expanded the collector base). Grading standards were mostly regional, and often comic book trends could be regional as well. Books could be hot or cold on a national level and the regional levels might still believe them to be the opposite. Dealers knew things about the industry often long before the fans did. Very few regions had more than one convention a year, information passed through Overstreet and through the dealers that set up in shows around the country. When I finally had significant spending money in 1988-1989 I was getting "great deals" on books that I didn't realize had gone cold forever. | ||
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| @EbaySeller I think the B&W boom/ bust was a microcosm of the larger market bust of 93/ 94. The lessons of the first were obviously ignored by dealers and collectors during the second. As for me, I got out in ‘92, before the bottom fell out. I think a lot of people like me did the same at that time. The guys who were buying 10 of everything covered up the numbers for a while, but when they stopped it quickly became obvious that most of the guys like me, who bought one of everything, had moved on and there was nobody left. | ||
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For those who were there and lived to tell about it...a walk down memory lane:    |
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| @EbaySeller there was a thread a while back called 1980s indie comics. It is long archived but if you can still pull it up I think you will really enjoy it. | ||
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| @michaelekrupp I will search for that thread. Being late to the party I may recycle old subjects by accident. Some people say that Hulk 180 should actually be considered the first appearance of Wolverine. Have you guys ever discussed that before my time on the board? | ||
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| @EbaySeller hell, I never get tired of talking about this stuff! As for Wolverine, I can remember a couple of threads talking about cameos vs full appearances and a recent one about first appearances vs first cover appearances. | ||
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| Sorry @michaelekrupp, I was joking about Hulk 180. Seems that debate or something similar gets worn out about every 6 months. | ||
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