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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater Uh-oh. Did a break an unspoken rule? I hold him in high regard for ‘Dark Knight Returns’. He’s certainly had his share of missteps, but I thought ‘DK III: The Master Race’ was fascinating. But yeah, his recent sketch covers have been rough. |
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| I like Donnie too...I just never agree with him | ||
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| @00slim (I see what you see what ya did there. Made me laugh.) Not to my knowledge but who knows. Maybe someone wants to chime in about all the unwritten rules and start a thread about them. That way they won't be unwritten anymore and we can all follow them or not be suspect.  That being said, my post was in reference to all the Liefeld threads that always seem to get start when the forum gets slow or calm. Maybe it is time to drive traffic with a Miller art thread or maybe both at the same time. That might be like opening the sixth seal Apocalypse - which brings on earthquakes - Yikes! |
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| Liefeld is always an easy target to pick on. The thing with Liefeld is unlike other artists who ignore trolls or respond to them politely, Liefeld goes Super Troll on them. Right, wrong, or indifferent he retaliates. I honestly don't know what I'd do if I was baited as much as he is by the trolls, so I cant blame him. I met him once through a friend who knows his manager. At NYCC we waved his manager down and walked to the front of his line, which looked like these early COVID grocery store lines. Liefeld was very animated to say the least and like @cool_fool he remembered my friend from 2 yrs ago. He was super friendly and charismatic in my brief encounter. While I may disagree how he handles himself, he really loves his die hard fans and kids. |
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| Can’t deny his success in the comic book industry, but “he’s a genius” is edging toward hyperbole. | ||
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 ...This whole thread... |
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| "Why You're Wrong About Rob Liefeld" Video gives the info and lets you decide. A no holds barred, well done, informative, showing his start, time with McFarlane, Image, his controversies, he love/hate by fans to where he is now. Enjoy ^_~ |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Cool_FoolIt was worth watching but it was a stretch comparing his creativity to Jack Kirby. Just my2cents. |
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| He's a Kirby for the 90s. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson Ok. That’s going a bit far.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Enelson Who didn't know this from the beginning? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by sportshort That's why I liked it. A fish who swallows bait at least eats! More Bait! |
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| @EbaySelle, good one. | ||
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| @esaravo People copied Kirby until his style became very dated. Liefeld is known for the whole open mouth with too many teeth thing with pouches everywhere style that everyone copied in the 1990's. Both have become very dated. I'd like to own the OA to this cover though. Liefeld poking fun at himself just works for me. I don't know why.   |
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| One thing I see that makes me pause about Liefield is the entire meltdown/not signing this temper tantrums thing. When Mcfarlane had his private signing with the other guys he sent out a list of a few things he wouldnt sign, most seemed for obvious or legitimate reasons that linked to who actually drew them or so forth from what I saw at least...might have not understood all of them, since I dont own some of the stuff he declined to sign. When Liefield starts ranting about Marvel and saying...things like …."I should have known you would do this..." about Major x or whatever, it looks to me...from what I could tell without studying I closely that he was refusing to sign books he did do or characters he did create. I might have misunderstood all the controversy though I guess my thought is when you refuse to sign things you deny yourself income you might have otherwise made, but other than that the only person you are hurting or annoying are the fans who would have liked to have it signed....battling marvel using your fans as the collateral damage to me seems counter productive, but I also admit I might have missed some of it, or not understood it all, as I wasn't too into it . |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town He's used his fans as shields to battle CGC, too. IIRC, he won't sign any comics that fans want to put in CGC cases with the Deadpool label. Not sure how he could effectively enforce this, but I think that CGC is respecting his "wish". |
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| @Darkseid_of_town I don’t want to derail the thread, but the only thing McFarlane wouldn’t sign that kinda made me scratch my head is the Spawn #1 one-per-store “Thanks” book. To paraphrase, He claimed it had to do with avoiding profiteering. He didn’t want to inflate the value of an already HTF book. But if I was a huge fan of his, paid a premium for that book, and either stood in line for potentially hours or paid a facilitator to get it signed, only to be rejected? I’d be a little bent out of shape. |
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| @Towmater - Kirby was around when the superhero comic was just starting out in the late 1930's and is just as much a part of the Marvel revolution of the 1960's as Stan Lee or Steve Ditko. Look at the style of his work from the 1940's, then look at his work at Marvel in the 1960's - he evolved and became the artist that everyone wanted to imitate during the 1960's and 1970's. He was also a survivor who paid his dues, working on everything and anything to pay the bills - newspaper strips, superheros, crime, horror, humor, romance - you name it, he drew it. He could have been a legend based on his work in the GA alone, who doesn't know the cover of Captain America #1? But he went beyond legend by basically penciling every iconic SA Marvel title's first issue - go ahead and try to name one he didn't - Hulk #1, AF #15, Amazing Spider-Man #1, X-Men #1, JIM #83, FF #1, DD #1, etc. He drew practically the entire Marvel Universe, and let's not forget the universe he created for DC in the 1970's. I unfortunately never met either Mr. Kirby or Mr. Liefeld. But to look at the body of work each created and make a comparison? To me only one is worthy of being called the King. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrusI admit that I dont follow the entire controversy thing closely, but from what I had seen it was enough to make certain I had no interest in his work or signatures..for me myself at least.I just feel his fans pay the price for his tantrums if everything is as I understood. I admit it lost me a little...steals Deathstroke in all but the characters name …..even down to his alternate identity name . Leaves marvel and wanders off for year while other artists and writers make his character famous by somewhat broadening it out and reinventing the concept....and once it becomes a cash cow, comes back to demand his place as creator and throw tantrums about every little aspect of what is done. It all struck me as self centered, perhaps childish or greedy. If there is another side to it I missed its quite possible. That's just been my understanding of what happened. It turned me clean off the guy, anything he does, and his entire little deal |
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| I wish I could put my finger on when it started or who was first, but there just some people who elicit such a visceral reaction that it overshadows their work. In horror movies, you mention Jordan Peele or Rob Zombie and people just unload all this extra baggage about them. Liefeld seems that way. From what I’ve heard and seen personally, he seems like a decent guy. His art was pretty crazy, and he was definitely having to stick out during the “style over substance” 90s, but as someone else said, realism is so subjective. He definitely is outspoken and willing to fight for what he thinks is right. He comes off as abrasive, but if any of us caught that much crap just for saying anything, we might be ready to throw down faster, too. That’s my thoughts. As for KISS, one thing I learned over the years is being in the KISS army does NOT qualify you as being a veteran. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jabberwookie Boo,Hiss... Does this mean I can stop calling my childhood friend Master Sargent (he joined the Kiss Army when we were 12 or 13). |
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| @esaravo My post is about art styles and that other artist copied both Kirby and Liefeld. I can look at a Liefeld or a Kirby page and know who drew it. Their styles are that distinctive. You seem to take except that I drew a parallel between them. OK. However, I’ve never held Kirby, as the end all be all of comic art. I don’t like blocky characters. I don’t like hands that have squared fingers on them. I don't like the repeating shapes or the never ending twisting pipe thing that one finds in his work. Art is subjective. What works for one doesn’t work for all. Both of them shaped the history of comics. Both of them sold a ton of books. Both have styles that are distinctive and others emulated. They were popular in their times and remain so with their fans. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town He strikes me as a guy who uses his mouth to stay relevant because his art certainly doesn't. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by 00slim He is the Kardashian of the comic community. Most hate him. Many love to hate him. Lots of fanboys actually idolize him. He has very little skill, yet manages to stay very relevant, polarizing, and popular. Is it by design or is that just who he is? Idk, but good on him for playing the game and winning. |
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| @Towmater - I simply disagree as to the importance of Liefeld to the history of comics. If he never existed, how much different would comics be today? If Jack Kirby never existed, the history of comics would be very different, and the very hobby we both love, might not even exist. Take away the Marvel Age of comics, and what would have happened to the industry? Take away Deadpool - as he was originally created, from the vast collection of heroes and villians that already exist, and what really changes? | ||
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| @esaravo Sure, lets just leave out the lasting effect that the founders of Image had on the history of comics and creator's rights. He and the other founders changed the history of comics. | ||
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| I think it is also a generational thing. I know what I am about to say is sacrilegious, but I look at Kirby's art and I just shrug. I'd rather have Ditko, but I digress. If I came up during that generation I probably would have appreciated him more. What I do respect is he did usher in a more dynamic storytelling with his art. Something Liefeld also started to push. I came up during the 80s and 90s wave and at the time I couldn't get enough of Liefeld. Looking back at it now, I ask myself why did I like this? Was the bar really this low? The problems I have with Kirby and Liefeld are the same. Overstylized characters with weird anatomy who all have the same face. You have the Liefeld constipation face and no feet. On the other side you have the ubiquitous Kirby face (they remind me of planet of the apes) and everyone's hands look like the Thing. Both artists were prolific in their art output. This is where they get my respect. I even use Kirby's mantra of keep pushing forward when I'm doing design work. I don't think you can remove either and the history of comics would be the same. Kirby helped keep Marvel going while defining a generation and without Liefeld who knows if Image comics happens. Despite my feelings I'd still take original art from both of them. As a fan of history both artists defined their generation. What I'm looking forward to is seeing which creative will be associated with defining the current landscape. |
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| Jack Kirby's career spans the 1930s to the 1990s, that's almost 60 years. He is responsible for creating Captain America + virtually every single important hero in the Marvel universe. His career is almost synonymous with comics history. He stands amongst a select few as THE most important figures in comics history. This can not be said of Liefeld and any attempt to do so diminishes the contributions of these titans that laid the foundations for Liefeld. You can like/love Liefeld but come on, let's not put him in the same company as Kirby, Eisner, Siegel and Shuster, Kane, Lee etc... | ||
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