THE THREAD THAT KILLED ALL CORONAVIRUS TALK.11811
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| Im sure alot of people are pretty tired of your constant name calling, insults, rudeness, and selfishness honestly but we aren't here to discuss what makes us tired are we? I tend to lean towards the concept of living and avoiding the largest loss of life possible. In 1918 the country was hit with a similar epidemic. They went into lockdown, did the distancing and masks bit and when they felt it was safe, just like now, they reopened far too soon. The rebounding virus killed hundreds of thousands....so they repeated the process and with it the mistake...the third wave killed MILLIONS. That isn't some abstract whiny story about why I am tired ...it's what happened in the last massive epidemic the country suffered. We know that is how a virus works now...we know what happens. It isn't guesswork anymore....that is how we know the country should not open till the virus case count is lowering, for at least two weeks. It is how we know we need tracing and the ability to track exposed people and their contacts. Its how we know testing at a level to know if the virus has resurged is necessary . We have none of that in place....it's a recipe for disaster. You may not like the implication that wanting to reopen means you want to kill people-but you have been told the facts. You do not care...in spite of the risks you demand your right to exercise that gamble....and the chips you are gambling with are lives. You may be tired of people focusing on the virus, but ask some of those people in New York who just went through a living hell as the virus killed 30,000 people there, what they are tired of. I bet your comments would figure high on their list of things they really dont want to hear ….ask the crematorium owners who are operating night and day weeks on end trying to keep up, or the grave diggers who cannot keep up with the pace of the graves needed...or the people digging those mass graves to bury all the dead...I wonder what they are tired of or how they would feel about what you are "tired" of. Ask that young nurse in Arizona last week that calmly stood there in a middle of a demonstration, to represent the health workers despite hundreds of people around her calling her names, and threatening her..ask her what she is tired of. Ask the more than forty grocery workers in this country who died over the last month what they were tired of.Get over yourself....people are dying. People are in food bank lines for miles...people were starving to death all over this great country long before this virus , where was concern then? People who couldn't afford it were needing chemo or surgery before all this happened...but nope, we cant do anything to help people with agonizing medical issues and bills cause that would make you tired right? It is a one size fits all answer , sorry. Opening one part of the country while working to control the virus in another is similar to making a no peeing zone in a swimming pool. Sure its a big country but being clueless enough not to realize this virus made it here from China, means you sure are not safe anywhere here . It isn't a question..the ANSWER moving forward is what saves the most lives and keeps the most people from contracting a raging viral threat. Anything else can wait , sorry. I am tired of the denial some folks live in...they aren't doing it for anyone's well being, they are doing it so they can make a buck. Everyone keeps whining about their rights...but what about peoples right to live? If I have to choose between your "being tired"and burying my mother or father, you aren't coming out on top....sorry |
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 If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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| My in-laws live near Amarillo (fortunately not working in the plants) otherwise I probably wouldn't have come across this tidbit: Amarillo processes 25% of America's meat, and meat packing plants are a hotbed of COVID infections. 40% of the infections in the two counties in/around Amarillo are related to the plants. The infection rate in the counties overall, per capita, is higher than New York City. https://www.texastribune.org/2020/05/05/texas-coronavirus-panhandle-meatpacking/ https://abc13.com/food/amarillo-meatpacking-plant-tied-to-240-covid-19-cases/6152430/ |
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| Glad your in laws are not in harms way there...what's happening in the meat packing places is frightening as well. I read the article online today about the federal meat inspectors that have died so far. | ||
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| @Darkseid_of_town Next thing you know you'll be writing that are you "speaking for the various members of the forum" that we have lost over the last month due to the the posts I make. Just like you did with GonaSoth in post 39 of this thread Quote: Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town You made an accusation about people fleeing the forum due to GonaSoth's posts. Are privy to information about members that fled the boards and CBCS that the rest of us aren't aware? On your loss of life "point" I guess you missed the NBC News report on the UN Warns of "hunger pandemic" amid threats of the coronavirus, economic downturn The article posted on NBC News has the following in it..."The resulting death toll could outpace that of the coronavirus with 300,000 people dying due to starvation every day over a three-month period, the agency reported." If correct, that is 27,000,000 people who will die of starvation in that 90 day period. |
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| I am aware of a few people who did depart due to the constant bombardment of silly conspiracy themes. As for the "rest of us" since I have no idea who that includes or what each person might have had the attention span to notice, I cannot speak to what I might have noticed or seen in messages compared to what they have. I also have no idea who Gonasoth is ...but I will assume you meant Ganasoth... That being said, I am unsure how any of it whatsoever is any of your name calling business, thanks I also made no suggestion anyone has left yet, due to your posts, so please do not put words in my mouth..it isn't attractive and only makes you look more childish than you had already. Regarding the starvation issue ...weren't you the one talking about putting a whole cow or something along those lines in your freezer? Since you are so obsessed with world hunger, I will quietly wait while you find a charity and donate that beef to the cause.. But consider the issue another way...a few years back quite a few scientists wrote a paper about global weather change that suggested the polar ice would melt, raise the sea level and flood quite a bit of the worlds land. As the population grows and the land mass disappears there is less land to feed more mouths...meaning the studies all suggested we are heading for a hunger pandemic beyond belief even without the virus itself . Regardless if you are working , or isolating at home , that disaster is also oncoming and been known about for awhile. What steps have you taken to resolve the issue, prevent the hunger coming and please explain how that is altered by the current issue? Put another way, some of us have been concerned with hunger far before you stumbled across it as a justification for your ideals about this virus and the lockdown. Incidentally I am curious why you do not post the sources for your comments like most do and exceprt from them instead...perhaps you should share the entire article rather than mining inflammatory quotes . |
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| @Darkseid_of_town wow.... man you really went off the deep end on @Towmater there just because he voices how he's feeling? And the way you worded it was like the biggest guilt trip ever. Sometimes people just have to get it out. Vent in anyway they can. Some talk out their feelings, and while it may come a cross as being negative, its not intended. Everyone is tired of all this. You. Me. Everyone. Tired of the stress... Tired of feeling sorry and sad for all those poor people that died to this virus; for their families/friends that lost loved ones. Tired of feeling ashamed that we have food to eat while others in other cities and states have nothing. Tired of feeling helpless.... People that need chemo, people that need surgeries, and other therapies need to be admitted and have it done. Test them for fevers or whatever they need to have in order for them pass the examination before admittance. For the people that's starving, the Government needs to go door to door and drop off essential foods. MREs. Anything to help these families & individual people in need. Take the food stamp benefit money and put it towards delivering basic nutritional foods for people that need it. On another topic: I do think that opening the country too soon like @Darkseid_of_town stated, is a really bad idea. From past history; it just doesn't look like it will end well. I hope I'm wrong in assuming this, but I guess we will see in about 8 (give or take) more days if the new infection rate starts to spike again. Anyways. Just my opinions. I don't mean to direct negativity towards anyone in particular. |
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| The thing isn't he did not voice how he is "feeling" ..he attacked others for voicing how they are "feeling" and called them "doomers" as well. get it right....and no sorry it wasn't a guilt trip, I posted articles previously to support each comment. This is what the reality of this epidemic is for some while others complain about having to isolate. There are ways to just.."get it out"without insulting people, name calling and attacking people who just want their loves ones to be safe and not dead . With your own wife in a potential problem area healthwise with this virus and a young child in your home , you seem to correctly understand this is a dangerous thing and it needs to be handled properly. If he wants to get it out who cares..that can be done without the insults,the name calling and the reverse agenda attacks. You are solidly correct opening the country too soon is a massive mistake and it will cost lives. Thanks for your thoughts...and expressing them without the name calling and insults others deem necessary |
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| I'll contribute my 2 cents: Freedom > Fear Quarantine is for the sick; not for everyone. Those who are at risk and/or are afraid should be free to hide. Those who aren't (afraid) shouldn't simply be stepped on. It's risk vs reward. Innocent until proven guilty, and, healthy until symptomatic. COVID-19 isn't just going to disappear because we run away from it... #ThanosWasRight |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater Read the post again and see how much is his "feeling"and "getting it out" vs attacking others for their own "feelings" ...it wasn't a guilt trip...it was a response to his attack. |
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 It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious.
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Quote:Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus What about the asymptomatic? The ones carrying the virus and not knowing it? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC As I mentioned, those at-risk or afraid can "Stay Home, Stay Safe". Risk vs reward. It's also about intentions. I'm opposed to treating everyone as though they're sick. I would not be opposed to enforcing those who are symptomatic/positive to wear masks/gloves in public or to stay home. There's nothing stopping anyone from acting as though everyone has the flu or another communicable disease at any other time in recent history. |
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| Main problem with that logic is this particular virus has never been exposed to people till now...there are no natural immunities, no previous flare ups that could protect the population. It spreads like fire, and the best way to stop a huge fire is deny it fuel. We cant extinguish it yet without a vaccine..that would be the best case answer. until we can get one its essential to buy time without overloading the medical, supply and support abilities we have. We are a country short on medicines, short on machines, short on masks with a rising case rate daily and a corresponding amount of deaths to go with that |
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| "...problem with that logic..." You know that this is a strain of SARS, right? And that viruses aren't exposed to people until they are, well, exposed to humans...? Just wanna make sure we're on the same page regarding those particular facts. It's gonna run its course. No amount of time will save us. Also, "short" on anything is case-by-case regional basis. In my area, they built a "COVID-19" hospital that was not touched for a month (after setup) until they were mandated to taste everyone with a single symptom and started getting more $$$$$ for diagnosing/listing COD with the virus. There's also a hoarding problem factoring into "supplies". If you're at-risk or sick, stay home, or protect yourself/others when you need to be in public. Otherwise, let people be free. Pretty simple IMO. |
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| I'm not choosing "sides" in this topic. But I would hope that we all can agree with this ... Quote: Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town You take off the first few words of Darkseid's comment, and I think that sums up the current situation very well. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus Sounds gross and ineffective  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Hcanes LOL. I usually proofread my posts better than that. |
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| I believe it was last week (the days are blurring) I was able to see from my window, the USNS Comfort departing NYC and heading down the Hudson. Talk about an impressive ship, I'd love to know how many times a year they have to paint the ship to keep it such a pristine white. | ||
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| I don’t post links to articles because I was unaware that I had to bow to your demand or rule that I had to so. It is implied that some such rule exist here on the forum or is that some rule that we are all supposed to follow posted somewhere on the "Officle Rules of the Internet" site that I am unaware of and have never seen? BTW, me posting a link isn’t going to happen. A quick search will generate the article in question. I did post the title. As I states, it is from NBC News. Are they not still considered a reputable news source? I thought they were. Maybe I should have provided this quote in my response out of the same article from NBC News. I hope these aren't too inflammatory for anyone reading this post. “As a result of the coronavirus outbreak and the subsequent economic ramifications, the food agency found an additional 130 million people could be on the brink of starvation by the end of the year. The working poor would be hit the hardest as a result of the decline in tourism and exports, collapse of oil prices and any declines to foreign aid.” Or maybe I should have quoted this from the same article? “Children are particularly at risk as lockdowns in response to the coronavirus are keeping them out of school where they typically could receive subsidized meals.. As a side note, and I think we can all agree to this, I have never stated nor implied that the virus isn’t extremely serious. However, to hide one’s head in the sand about how equally serious it keep the world economy in park due to the lockdown and the death toll it causes is folly. To not discuss it is moronic. To attempt to limit that conversation is asinine. Are we all to sit in our homes until there is a vaccine or a vaccine that is 100% effective, 90%, or like the flu shot 30% to 50% effective depending on how well the people in the “know” guess which strains are going to raise havoc on the earth that flu season? What’s the end game? When do the goal posts stop being moved? When can we reopen the world? I’ve never seen a plan from anyone on this board chatting about that. I love a post not aimed at anyone (and not a reply to anyone) has caused one person to thrash on it and make a mountain out of nothing. Also, I'm really unclear how the following that was posted is within the new atmosphere of the boards. Quote: Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town It appears that @Jesse_O is reading this thread. Maybe he can chime in on how that isn't demeaning or toxic. At the least it implies I want to kill people and I do not care due to my views on reopening the economy of the world. |
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| I’ve avoided this thread like, well... the plague. To me, this thread encapsulates everything that’s wrong with the internet. Passive aggressive taunts and name calling, “doomers,” suggesting people who are cautious somehow don’t like freedom or liberty, picking your facts based on your political ideology, etc... It truly is exhausting and detracts from all the things that bring us together. No one here is an epidemiologist. No one here is a constitutional law professor, or a media expert or any of the other areas that are being talked about definitively. I get it. I don’t think like “you,” so then I am a sheep and obviously not worthy of being liked or treated like a human being. Can we maybe be more helpful, and talk about what WE can do to help our local businesses and the others that we are ALL concerned about? |
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| @Jabberwookie Just like you people are posting their views and opinions. Although, I must have missed the posted in which someone typed or stated stated they were a epidemiologist or constitutional law professor, or a media expert. | ||
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| @Towmater See. All opinions are not created equally, and that’s the issue. No one explicitly stated they were any of those things, but their opinions have been stated definitively to imply they have some area of expertise. As you just stated, we don’t have any of those here, to the best of our knowledge. I’d even suggest your constant use of the term “doomer” is derogatory and suggest you somehow know more than those who are being cautious. No one disagrees that virus is bad and the economy is hurting, but where the discussion could be had is on the best way to balance that rock and a hard place we find ourselves between. Ultimately, none of that matters because your opinion, my opinion, everyone’s opinion doesn’t matter on the national or global scale. Like I said before, maybe we use this thread to discuss ways to help out our local businesses? The rest of this accomplishes nothing but getting people suspended and all the bad feelings that go along with it. I’m not going to get into an endless debate because there’s no point. I said my piece and I won’t come back to this thread if it’s going to be a pissing match. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by TowmaterThe assertion about posting links is fine with me, it just clearly establishes anything you quote is questionable, possibly edited or otherwise inaccurate, no worries. As for the rest of the garbled could have should have posted this or that, perhaps you should have just shared the article rather than cherrypicking what met your criteria. At least people know now you both refuse to share your sources or complete information and to discard accordingly as incomplete and out of context. As for your post being "aimed at noone" that label..you use to stereotype and then hate on .....yes that is aimed at people. it is a label, that is derogatory and meant to include a group of people you disagree with. Others posting are also clearly offended by it. "doomers" as you call the people who wish to stay safe, avoid opening so rapidly and to protect against any potential loss of life. |
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| @Towmater And just keep this friendly, I like talking comics with you, man! You posting that Liefeld Titans art still cracks me up to this day! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrusYes I understand that covid 19 is a stran of sars...correct. Yes I accept the idea viruses are not exposed to people until they are exposed to people but that doesn't alter things. it is a new virus that is deadly and that we lack immunities for , vs a cold virus for instance which we have been exposed to that simply gives off a new strain the following year. We can form immunities to the cold virus and then be treated for the new strain. Therein lies the problem . As for the argument that being short of supplies is caused by hoarding, sure, but that doesn't alter the fact there is in fact a shortage then. Cause isn't the point, effect is. Sure its simple to say let people be free, so then the ones who are positive and undiagnosed go right out, spread the disease to older people, and people that are compromised and at risk. At that rate your assertion that we havef to let it run its course would be correct, as millions will be dead before herd immunity for the planet is acquired. If you have to infect 60-70 percent of the population of the world, and even 2 percent die, that's a hideous way to handle a virus. ..the math for me suggests to acquire herd immunity would require somewhere closing on 6 million people. No thanks, I prefer using the tried and understood method recognized by every infectious disease expert in the world. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater"you people"...oops I too missed the post asserting your credentials as an epidemiologist, or law professor, or media expert. Perhaps it was in one of those things you refuse to link... |
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| By the way for those concerned with the human cost so far, 3,700,000 cases confirmed infected and right at 260,000 mothers, daughters, children and grandparents lost forever. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town It's more than "simple" - it's just. You're glossing over the tentpole of Risk vs Reward. I'll repeat: Healthy until symptomatic. Those at-risk, or afraid, are free to protect themselves in public and "stay safe at home". It's unjust to treat everyone as though they're sick. That's not how freedom works. Remind me of the fatality rates for other diseases? 2% sounds like a regular number to me. It's gonna happen anyways. |
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| Really there is nothing we can do to help small business. The owners that are opening up are getting arrested and fined.... while they are letting criminals free due to the virus in the jails etc. Wow. Think about that. The working man/woman is getting thrown into a jail where there is a very high chance of getting the virus, while they allow criminals free. All because we the people are trying to feed ourselves. Example video: And the following information isn't Political. This is about our rights and freedoms. You don't have to be Constitutional Lawyer to know that this picture is the truth:  The Constitution is NOT SUSPENDED DURING TIMES OF CRISIS. And no laws are above the Constitution. |
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| Locked for 24 hours ... approximately. | ||
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| In light of everything, it's been decided that coronavirus will no longer be discussed on this board. If and when more information is available, it will be posted. | ||
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