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THE THREAD THAT KILLED ALL CORONAVIRUS TALK.11811

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@Darkseid_of_town I know. But my point is, the MSM isn't telling anyone about it though. Neither is Fauci. I'm just trying to let you guys know in case you or a loved one gets the virus. You all now have a starting point to research and print off copies of the papers to show your doctors so you can get prescriptions if needed for
hydroxychloroquine/chloroquine. I just wanted to share that link with you all so you all have a staring point for researching and drawing your own conclusions.

The French doctor has been criticized for poor research practices, including deciding who gets the treatment and who gets the placebo.

Here is one article in the "MSM" about it. I didn't bother to look for any more, but I will find them if you wish.

This document appears to be a series of notes on various research studies, at various stages. FYI, "in vitro" means in glass ... i.e., in test tubes and such, like "in vitro fertilization." So those are early studies in the lab. Then they test in animal models, and then they test in humans, but only for safety ... i.e., does X cause any damage, side effects, is it safe to take?

Then they start an actual, small-scale study to test efficacy. And THEN, if all that seems promising, they conduct a larger scale study with both an experimental and a control group.

It looks like these are notes on that progression. And now there look to be 1-2 papers that are "pre-print." That means they haven't gone through peer review yet. So there is nothing really to report, except what has happened in the news - particularly in France - where the possibility, and the protests over these drugs, have become the story. When the researchers have something positive to report, they will likely issue press releases, and that is when it will go mainstream.
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@Jesse_O Thanks for sharing Jesse.
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If this one is political remove it and move on, but I have been wondering something myself about the programs and aid being given the american people in replacement of work wages.I belive the question is more economic related myself.
As I understand the loan forgiveness program created for small business and the unemployment thing being given for those out of work, it seems to suggest that while out of work , people would be paid for their time regardless. I dont question or care to comment one or the other way about that topic itself but...
What I am curious about is...take the bus driver, the fireman, the doctors, the grocery workers, all required to report to work each day and risk their actual lives , (not being dramatic) literally risking their lives, to see that things continue as they should. Not only are they required to continue working to get their wages, while everyone else theoretically gets paid, but they are being required to risk their own lives to earn while others are paid to sit and wait it out.
Do you think there is fair reason to suggest that essential workers should be paid a premium in the stimulus being provided based on that model? They aren't being allowed to sit at home, draw their wages and stay safe, and yet are working for the same wages as they would have been given anyways.
I think the 25,000 dollar idea that was floated earlier on is far too extravagant, but is their some merit to that system at a lesser cost perhaps?ANyone have a take there?


While I get where you are coming from this would lead us further down bad decision road.

This all stems from telling some people that they are not allowed to report to work or to tell some businesses that they must shutter their doors.

While a few happy workers are being paid slightly more to stay home than they would have made had they been allowed to continue working, most people getting government money, especially small businesses are getting far less than they would have gotten otherwise.

Many small business owners (local comic shops especially) are really feeling the pinch and may never reopen.

All of the workers deemed essential are being hailed as heroes in the news, on Facebook, and elsewhere. Many of these workers have gotten raises or earned overtime pay.

I will refrain from posting my own opinion but many would say that more government intervention or payouts would do more harm than good.
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If this one is political remove it and move on, but I have been wondering something myself about the programs and aid being given the american people in replacement of work wages.I belive the question is more economic related myself.
As I understand the loan forgiveness program created for small business and the unemployment thing being given for those out of work, it seems to suggest that while out of work , people would be paid for their time regardless. I dont question or care to comment one or the other way about that topic itself but...
What I am curious about is...take the bus driver, the fireman, the doctors, the grocery workers, all required to report to work each day and risk their actual lives , (not being dramatic) literally risking their lives, to see that things continue as they should. Not only are they required to continue working to get their wages, while everyone else theoretically gets paid, but they are being required to risk their own lives to earn while others are paid to sit and wait it out.
Do you think there is fair reason to suggest that essential workers should be paid a premium in the stimulus being provided based on that model? They aren't being allowed to sit at home, draw their wages and stay safe, and yet are working for the same wages as they would have been given anyways.
I think the 25,000 dollar idea that was floated earlier on is far too extravagant, but is their some merit to that system at a lesser cost perhaps?ANyone have a take there?


While I get where you are coming from this would lead us further down bad decision road.

This all stems from telling some people that they are not allowed to report to work or to tell some businesses that they must shutter their doors.

While a few happy workers are being paid slightly more to stay home than they would have made had they been allowed to continue working, most people getting government money, especially small businesses are getting far less than they would have gotten otherwise.

Many small business owners (local comic shops especially) are really feeling the pinch and may never reopen.

All of the workers deemed essential are being hailed as heroes in the news, on Facebook, and elsewhere. Many of these workers have gotten raises or earned overtime pay.

I will refrain from posting my own opinion but many would say that more government intervention or payouts would do more harm than good.
myself personnaly I dont think I know anyone who would have made more working, when you count the wages being compensated for, plus the stimulus gift from the government. Most that I know have profited from it.
Aside from that, the small business forgiveable loan program does not determine what wages people are paid, the business takes the loan, pays their payroll and utilities just as if they were still operating.
So the majority ARE being paid their full wages, plus the stimulus, and that is just so far in the equation.
Meantime they are safe at home, not working, and also not exposed to the virus while the Walmart worker, who is A) making far less, and B) exposed to the potential death factor.

"All of the workers deemed essential are being hailed as heroes in the news, on Facebook, and elsewhere. Many of these workers have gotten raises or earned overtime pay"

and the simple truth is some aren't, haven't and won't.
Meantime we keep burying them, at a frightening rate.

More government payouts and intervention might be a bad idea, but we are already crossing that river....so we either abandon the people who got us that far as they carry the burden or continue watching them drown while refusing anything further for them.Meantime everyone else is siting at home safe and being paid to boot....
The other factor I find astonishing here is if someone is not working and is determined to earn a wage...why not go to the local hospital or morgue and take a job with cleaning, disposal of the dead, or dozens of other places more hands might make a difference. Share the risk if you want paid...better yet, cancel their government compensation for sitting on their butts nice and safe, let them share the risk and earn their own wages too...since the essential workers have to...wouldnt that more closely match your suggestion and reduce government roles?
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Thought this was an interesting read.

The author makes some valid points.

Well I dont mind this post, but you told me specifically I couldn't post anything political and then make a post with the very term political in the title?Quote:
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Thought this was an interesting read.

The author makes some valid points.

Showing you more liberty than you granted me, I wont lecture you about posting politics, although you did that to me publicly...but the post even literaly has the term political in the title so lets hope noone turns it in.
Seems a touch hypocritical though doesn't it? Difference is , I respect others right to have an ideal or opinion.
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@Darkseid_of_town

The article is less inflamtory than the headline.

I am just sharing something I found interesting.

I did not make any statement about the conclusions or the headline, just that some of the points made were valid.

Most articles will be somewhat biased by the opinions of their author.

I think we should be able to share such information as long as we don't make political statements ourselves.
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I guess inflammatory depends on whose camp you pitch your tent in. I too was just sharing something I found interesting...when you went after me.
To be a political post does not require you make "conclusions" ...and for you to assign anything as "valid" means you are making a direct concusion, in this case what is and is not valid.
My postings had some "valid" points as well...see how perspective alters that word valid?
I agree most articles will and are somewhat biased by the opinions of their author, perhaps in the future you will give others the benefit of that same defense ?
Jessie has bluntly said if it has any form of politics, or you even think it might be political dont post it...an article with the word political in its title would clearly meet his broad rules.
Essentially as you told me...who cares what you think or want to share ….
My point is perhaps next time think before you decide to go after other people for freedoms you take for granted yourself, thanks

PS I read the entire article indentally, and its loaded with political comments and rehetoric ...I believe that because it agrees with your bias and views you dont consider it political...but consider, while reading it, I was hit with the option to sign up...or "continue with fake news".....yep no politics there folks
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@drchaos you posted an article with 'political' in the title from a website with the tagline 'the right opinion', meaning that it is explicitly coming from a certain political viewpoint, consisting of an opinion article full of people's opinions with no references to any real facts.

If we're going this route, I would say the points are not valid and anyone who took the time to read it is dumber for having done so. I regret having taken the time and hope others can avoid my mistake.
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@drchaos you posted an article with 'political' in the title from a website with the tagline 'the right opinion', meaning that it is explicitly coming from a certain political viewpoint, consisting of an opinion article full of people's opinions with no references to any real facts.

If we're going this route, I would say the points are not valid and anyone who took the time to read it is dumber for having done so. I regret having taken the time and hope others can avoid my mistake.


You can't prove a negative.

The author claims that there is no data to warrant a shutdown.

He also questions many of the statistics provided by governments and experts.

While the author does make conclusions on many issues I do not believe it would be reasonable to suggest that anything in the article is factually incorrect.

If you read the article in full, please tell me that I have said anything here that is not the truth.
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You do not need to prove a negative to use a bit ofintelligence. Your author offers no studies, no supportive evidence , no expert testimony from credentialed experts that can be verified. He is making an opinion statement ...a highly political one.
The author can claim pink flamingoes dont eat shrimp either, but that does not alter the evidence based fact, that flamingoes are white, and derive their pink coloration from eating shrimp.He is offering opinions....He can question whatever he likes, that does not alter the evidence based facts which he failed to do entirely throughout.
I find ninety percent of his conclusions to be faulty, half truths or badly flawed...sort of the issue with posting politcally charged articles.
As for if you said anything here that isn't the truth, you did not check my postings for "truth" when you turned them in and attempted to eliminate my right to state my ideals.
Your entire defense here is a moving goalpost, that you do not allow others when you harass them for making posts they feel have value, tell the truth or have some deeper value
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@Darkseid_of_town

Where you erred was sharing your ideals and opinions.

I did neither.

I merely shared an article and left the members of the board to form their own opinions instead of trying to tell them what they should think.
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Thank you frontline workers.
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The last 6 suspensions resulted from this thread.....be careful what you post.
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The article linked by drchaos was indeed political and I took all links to it down.
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And everyone, if something political gets posted, feel free to pm me or report it. I try, but obviously I don't catch everything.
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@Darkseid_of_town

Where you erred was sharing your ideals and opinions.

I did neither.

I merely shared an article and left the members of the board to form their own opinions instead of trying to tell them what they should think.
You did both actually, you stated the article had some valid points, which is an opinion.
the article you chose and decided to post shared your ideals, political ones, that you yourself have publicly attacked others for doing.
I have given you the benefit of the doubt, which you did not do for me. your hypocrisy stands revealed for the forum to see..take care.
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And everyone, if something political gets posted, feel free to pm me or report it. I try, but obviously I don't catch everything.
You do a great job Jessie, and I hope you are staying safe. Frightening what you posted previously, our thoughts are with you.
I shouldn't have commented in the thread, but I thought to give the OP the chance to consider his post, something he failed to do for others. It dint go well obviouosly….
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Ok fellas. Let's chillax. I just came in to eat lunch and relax a little as I got a little too hot outside working on this stranger's car. The girls mother came knocking on my door last night and asked if she could park her daughter's car in my yard until they get a tow truck to come get it. It was starting to overheat. She was helping her daughter and grandson move & so she was following her in her own car. I told her sure np, I gave them my address and number and got their numbers. I told the lady I could look at her car for her since I used to be an auto mechanic (once a mechanic, always a mechanic). I had a flashlight and looked under the hood & I told her it looks like it might be a hose had busted. I told her I'd look into it tomorrow (which is today). She left me the keys etc.

Got out there early this morning, and checked the hoses, no cracks. Started removing the hoses, found that the coolant filler neck was cracked. Called & told the mother & she asked if I wouldn't mind replacing ther part if she bought it and brought it to me. I told her I'd just go get it, put it on, and she can repay me when I hand her the receipt, upon picking up the car. I only live like 5 minutes away from town. She said thank you, yada yada.

I got the part, replaced it, and filled it with water. Water was just pissing out of the bottom of the car. So I had to call & tell her about the radiator leaking. That the leak from the previously replaced part probably made the radiator blow. I told her it's better a radiator then a head gasket. She asked me how much I'd charge to install a new radiator. I told her that I'm not gonna over charge, so I'll do it all for $150.

Long story short. I got a new radiator and installed it (not yet finished, still working on it) and she agreed to pay for all parts and my $150 labor. So the parts total with tax ended up being $192.56 plus my labor of $150 totals to $342.56.

After looking up the average cost to replace a radiator in a Nissan Altima is:




So.... I'm saving them a shit-ton of money, all because I was bored...

Here's the girls Altima. Radiator out.





Here's a pic where the radiator was leaking circled in red: no fixing that....



Here's the new one partly installed:



I told her I should be finished today and it'd probably be around 6pm. I told her I'm gonna let it cool down out there a bit before I finish.

Thought I'd share my adventure just to break up the tense atmosphere in this thread with something boring. 😁
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@GanaSoth I gotta ask, where did you find a new replacement radiator for an Altima so quick? Did you have to go to a dealer?
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@Jesse_O nope local Autozone.



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Even got her a coupon. How cool is that?
=)
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Here's the new one partly installed:



I told her I should be finished today and it'd probably be around 6pm. I told her I'm gonna let it cool down out there a bit before I finish.

Thought I'd share my adventure just to break up the tense atmosphere in this thread with something boring. 😁
She hit the jackpot breaking down right where she did ….I never have this much luck at anything ...Nice job Gana....
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@Darkseid_of_town thanks!
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The last 6 suspensions resulted from this thread.....be careful what you post.
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@drchaos you posted an article with 'political' in the title from a website with the tagline 'the right opinion', meaning that it is explicitly coming from a certain political viewpoint, consisting of an opinion article full of people's opinions with no references to any real facts.


Holy crap was that article bad. Just a ridiculous sludge of hysteria and lies. A call-to-arms for the very stupid. People really read that shite?

"And we want strong immune systems. I don’t want to hide in my home, develop a weak immune system and then come out and get disease." Good lord. I know this is supposed to be some right-wing rag, but I read almost the same thing on a left-wing rag just last week. They called it "vitalism," and said the solution to the coronavirus is to stop eating sugar and processed foods, and eat more fruits and vegetables, and get a strong immune systems, so that way we won't get sick and die.

Funny how all the crazies, regardless of political persuasion, come to the same conclusions.

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If we're going this route, I would say the points are not valid and anyone who took the time to read it is dumber for having done so. I regret having taken the time and hope others can avoid my mistake.

Whoops. Yeah, read this too late to save myself. Hopefully it won't infect my ad profile like clicking through to the Epoch Times did. (Oh, boy, was THAT a mistake! I hadn't heard of Epoch before, and didn't know what they were all about until I saw that, along with a subscription, I could get their "special report" on all the "proof" showing how China created the coronavirus on purpose. I suppose, to kill thousands of their own citizens? Who knows. In certain circles, China is the new "I'm not saying it was aliens ... but it was aliens." Anyway, now I keep getting their ads on facebook and YouTube.)

Glad to see that load of rubbish was deleted.
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I told her I should be finished today and it'd probably be around 6pm. I told her I'm gonna let it cool down out there a bit before I finish.

Thought I'd share my adventure just to break up the tense atmosphere in this thread with something boring.

Awesome! Good on you, Gana. Give her your card after, tell her if she comes across some really old comics, to give you a call.
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It’s the strangest thing these days where even science has been muddied to the point that people consider it “just another opinion.”

Having come from the journalism world, I see nothing, but negative opinions about the “media,” but usually from people who have never stepped foot in a newsroom.

I wouldn’t go to bbq place to get a tooth pulled, and I’m not going to a political commentary site to get medical information.

At some point, we have to value experience, expertise and education rather than strong opinions or passion about a subject.


Gana- freaking awesome that you’d do that for someone!

Kudos to you.
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@Tedsaid good idea.
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Definitely try RockAuto.com.
Much much better prices, generally, than Autozone or Advance Auto Parts.

I just bought two Air Cabin Filters for my two cars for 4 bucks apiece. Autozone and Advance Auto parts were in the low to mid 20's dollars apiece!

I use them exclusively now for anything but the most mundane of auto related stuff (like cleaning materials, antifreeze, oil, etc...)
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