How the heck do I figure out what something like this is even worth?11773
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agamoto private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I may need to sell this as money's getting tight from lack of work. Thanks, Covid19! Fantasy Masterpieces #3 currently 7 to 8 raw, with a clean/press likely 9.0 or better, not that the book itself is worth much anyway, it's what is "on" it... Signatures include a handful of the original timely/atlas/marvel bullpen: Denny O'Neil, Joe Simon, Jack Kirby, Stan Lee, Flo Steinberg, Stan Goldberg and Marie Severin (twice!). I was going to send it into beckett/CBCS verified sig program, but I've had folks on facebook groups tell me not to risk pressing it or putting it in the slab since four of the sigs, Jack, Joe, Stan and Marie are on the inside cover. Any advice on pricing this beast and whether I should send in for verification and slabbin'?    |
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| Hell yea | ||
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Elvinv private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Just try to verify all the signatures to make sure there legit. Stan lee and jack Kirby looks good. | ||
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agamoto private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I do have a COA with it that specifically guarantees 100% authenticity from an Autograph Fair Trade Association member, whatever the hell that is. | ||
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BrianGreensnips private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Definitely send it in to CBCS and get the sigs verified,pressed and graded to maximize your profit. | ||
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 If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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xkonk private msg quote post Address this user | |
| The COA won't count toward verification at all, although if you trust the source you might be more confident in the verification turning out. I would say the main issue is that verifying that many signatures is going to be pricey. On the other hand, those sigs might be worth it! If you do decide to send it in, I would get a good picture/scan of the front page and include it whenever you sell it. That way the buyer can see them when deciding to buy and also once they have the book in slab. |
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Studley_Dudley private msg quote post Address this user | |
| No better time than April to get those signatures verified! | ||
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cyrano0521 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Verification will be expensive and may mot be able to be recouped because the book is “meh” for desirability...but Jack’s sig is worth a fair bit, Stan’s can be snd this is a great situation. Joe’s is worth good money, too. The rest are not always well valued by the market, but holy hell, that’s an awesome thing to have for those of us who know comics’ history. @sborock, @tbildhauser | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk Is there a way he can get the signatures verified and not have it slabbed? My completely amateur take is get them verified and then you’ll be able to sell it for a pretty decent amount. |
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 I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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| I agree with the other posters on this one. Don't waste time guessing value until you get the signatures verified. | ||
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 I'll probably wake up constipated.
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk Definitely do what @xkonk recommended above. Definitely get it VSP and slabbed. I really can't tell in the pics if it needs to be pressed, but it certainly needs to be cleaned... go ahead and press it. @agamoto Awesome book to own, especially with those sigs. Sorry for your predicament, and having to sell. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by agamotoThere is little risk. They do this every day. They have insurance and really the only risk is getting lost in the mail for any submission. you will Maximize profit cleaned, pressed & graded. If I were to buy that book I would be more comfortable with verified sigs, grade, and that slab At least provides Handling protection until I crack it open if I wish. COAs are good but they are kind of a guarantee that something is probably not fake. |
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Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user | |
| You could also do signature review through BAS...they offer a preliminary examination via email, for all of 10 dollars per signature. I would select two or three, send them in and if they come back legit, spring to have the book formally examined. I recently submitted my hulk 1 Kirby signature via email for review and they came back and stated it would likely pass full verification |
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agamoto private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Gulp! I did not know what to put for a value. Just assumed $100 per signature. She's a $173 just to get her verified!  |
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esaravo private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Spend $30 to see if Kirby, Simon, and Lee would pass. If they do, then you have more decisions to make - sell as is, or verify and slab. If those fail, the book is not worth slabbing, unless you want a CGC Green Label. | ||
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 I hear their hourly rate is outrageous!
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| If you're planning or thinking of pressing, keep in mind that pressing through CBCS will probably take close to a year. if you need the money right away you will, unfortunately, need to just get the sigs verified and the book graded. Question for everyone else, all things being equal and the sigs are verified, what would you value the book at? it may not be worth it for @agamoto to send it in. If he wants to maximize profits he may just want to sell it as is. Stan's sig looks totally legit (i have a few). without being an expert or anything, i would bet the sigs are legit. |
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agamoto private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Authenticity doesn't bother me so much. The place I bought it from says they'll not only cover the full purchase price, but also pay the cost of verification should any of them not be verifiable. The question still remains though, with an all-in grading cost of $200, is it worth it? | ||
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HulkSmash private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @sportshort it’s cool book but not a high value book. The value is in the sigs and that may be subjective. I would tally sales of as many of those sigs as possible and find a reasonable median. They are worth what someone will pay for them. The cool thing is the amount of sigs on this book. This same book is on eBay 9.6 CGC Sig for $1700; FMV ~200 for this book graded. So $1500 for Stans sig. Is it worth it? I dunno; someone might have the pocket Change to drop on it. | ||
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| @HulkSmash I agree. I'd take it on the Kirby sig alone! | ||
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Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Why spend 200 to verify it all before verifying by signature review the top three, say Simon, lee and Kirby to see if they will pass? For 30 dollars you would know if the best three signatures will pass or not. A COA is a great thing, but seldom means much when it comes down to it. If it were mine I would signature review, that means more or less a quick look, to see if they would pass or fail..if the big three wont pass a review, why spend 200 on all of it? |
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I hear their hourly rate is outrageous!
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sportshort private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town Agree. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town I've got several Joe Simon/Jack Kirby/Stan Lee/Marie Severin signed items, so I'm 100% confident in those signatures. I had to look up Denny O'Neil and Stan Goldberg, but they look legit as well. I'm definitely 99% confident on the interior page signatures, 90% confident on Denny O'Neil and Stan Goldberg. It's the Flo Steinberg sig I'm not sure on. It looks like the pen was dry when she started the sig and possibly signed at a bad angle. Of all the signatures one would want to forge though... That just wouldn't make a lot of sense to me! |
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| Okay but the thing isn't how many signatures you have or how confident you are or aren't..the simple fact is even if they are 100 percent legit they might not be VERIFIABLE. You need to check them to see if they might pass verification or not. Despite a signature being entirely and perfectly signed by someone, it might in some way or form not match the exemplars used for comparison and fail to pass verification. Many people here in the board can tell you similar stories of signatures obtained in person that still failed verification, for any number of possible reasons....i.e. the signer wasn't feeling well, was tired, was stressed or perhaps even a different point in their life than other examples were obtained. With my hulk 1 I was reasonably sure it was real, but it still had to pass ..and could have failed. |
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 I'm good with splotches.
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| I would say no one in their right mind would be forging Denny O'Neill if the others are legit, but what do I know. Fantastic book btw... I'd buy it in a heartbeat with just the COA and my own eye. |
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Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user | |
| After watching the Dynamic forces Kirby Fiasco no, I definitely would not be accepting a COA. Was rather sad and disappointing | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town I think that event really destroyed whatever confidence there were in COAs before then. Personally, I'd get a a great high def picture or scan of the front page and send it in to be verified and graded. I get what the people are saying about not slabbing it, but I can't help but wonder how many of them would say that if they were selling it. Like it or not, if you want to maximize your selling price, you really need the signatures verified at the very least!!! I would do the grading to ease anyone's concerns that it might be restored, touched up, and complete. The actual number of the grade is of little consequence in this case, imo. |
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agamoto private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town Alright, done. $30 for them to check Joe, Jack and Stan  Will let you know how it turns out! |
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Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I think that was very wise, if those three come back legit why not go all in at that point for sure! | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by agamoto Yeet-yeet Quote: Originally Posted by Zombie_Headotay |
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