Top Silverage Sales: FF 52, 48, 4911626
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| Below is the GoCollect sales/value data for the top 3 Silverage books. They are all FF books, 52, 48 and 49 respectively. At the highest grades there appears to be counter intuitive dollar amounts. FF 49 is massive amounts more, FF 52 is two times that of 48. FF 48 is lowest. As we move down the grade scale, values appear to become more inline to what we'd think. Why the large discrepanies at the highest grade levels? Is there a rarity factor at play here? These three books are within 5 issues of themselves so I'd figure circulation would/might be similar. I didn't check a census so their might be insight there. My expectation would be to see FF 48 as highest, FF 52 next, then FF 49. What are your thoughts...maybe I'm missing or haven't considered something. Top 3  FF 52  FF 48  FF 49  |
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| one of many reasons I dont care for go.collect…….but the simple answer is using census figures and tracking of how many for what grades.... using the CGC census, for instance you arrive at these numbers.. the book listed most expensive, the 49 is a dark cover, and practically impossible to find in grades. the second most expensive is ...a dark colored cover which is...yada yada the lowest price book is not the darker colors and more common yada yada..the numbers bear that out …. Fantastic four 49....3101 copies.....1(uno,ein, one) in 9.8 Fantastic four 52 4454 copies 52 copies in 9.8 Fantastic four 48 6274 copies 44 copis in 9.8 recent sales are great for tracking some sense of value but you also have to allow for scarcity and scarcity in grade.... |
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| So, it appears that scarcity by grade is the dominant factor here. Interesting. This appears to me to be a somewhat fragile factor for such a vast discrepancy. I wonder what the discovery of one or two 9.8s of 49 would do to that figure let alone a dozen or so. That being said, we're in the year 2020 and the chance of a "warehouse" find of 9.8 FF 49s while not impossible, likely improbable. | ||
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| @GAC - When looking at the Go Collect data, you need to look at both the number of sales and the date of the last sale in each grade for the book you are researching. If there are a lot of sales in that grade and the last one was recent, I would trust the value more. If there are only a few sales and/or the last one was a few years ago, then I would definitely look at other sources too (always a good idea anyway). For example, for FF #49, as @Darkseid_of_town has pointed out, there is only one 9.8 copy on the Census, and per Go Collect's data, that copy last changed hands (that we know of) in 2/2016. So they are extrapolating the current value of that book based on that 4+ year old sale. In general I find that Go Collect has a lot of information and can be useful in trying to determine values of comics, but I see a lot of big fluctuations in value for some issues from month to month, some values are just plain wrong, and way to many books have no values listed at all (since it's all speculation to some extent - some obviously based on more data than others - shouldn't every book have an estimated value listed?). | ||
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| @esaravo Yes, most certainly you are correct. In reality, because the sales of FF 49 are few and far between, the $175,000 is not a real value. So really, that value has no meaning. However GoCollect arrived at that value is based their own predictive calculations. It would be interesting to see a current FF 49 9.8 sale and compare it to this value. | ||
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| Not that they even enter into the discussion for any reason, but checking the GPA for actual sales …. 9.8 November 2016 47,600 That would be the factual sale that Gocollect is attempting to manipulate into the figure of 175,00.00 As I have said before, they use a lot of data that simply isn't based on sales...its a guess, derived from an older sale as we can clearly see.... 9.6 August 2018 13,500 9.6 Pacific Coast July 2012 8963 9.4 5,000 sept 2019 9.2 march 2020 sold 3/6/202 4800 So how do you extract a 175,000 dollar sale for a 9.8 knowing a 9.2 just changed hands for.....4,800 total all in To me that not only seems ridicuolously inflated but also relies on an invisble formula to somehow arrive at the final value. |
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| A FF 49 WP would go for a small mint no doubt | ||
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| GoCollect does use actual sales data as seen below but like @esaravo has said when the last recorded sales figure is not current, they extrapolate the FMV. The actual sales data is useful, the extrapolation figure on the other hand, perhaps not so much. It would be interesting to see what an FF 49 9.8 sells for today but I'd bet less than $175K. Out of curiosity, what does GPA state FMV for FF 49 9.8? FF 49  |
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| GPA literally uses ONLY documtented sales, there is no guessing, no attempt to extrapolate anything.... The 9.8 sale I posted, from 2016 is the last known sale of the comic in that grade so GPA sits at that figure..the 2 year average, the twelve month average and 90 day average will all be that one figure because that is all that is known.They only report sales, they dont attempt to surmise, to guess , to infer anything. GPA doesn't consider itself a price guide, they report actual documented sales for CGC slabs in each grade. They leave it up to the buyers and sellers to use the market, and their own understanding to determine if the book they want to sell should be sold at the reported levels, moved up or perhaps lowered possibly I literally for the life of me fail to understand how someone can, or even would argue they use data on the one hand and then knowingly post they are SPECULATING a price of 175,000.00 based off a previous sale of.....44,215.00 There is precisely zero data to support that figure, its something they drew out of a hat of their own construction ala Zatanna... That isn't data , that is guessing, using whatever algorithim or magic hat they chose to deduce a figure they used. You can argue it might be multiple or equation based off the previous sale, but there it is...they created the algorithim using theor own guesses. |
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Here, perhaps this might better answer the question GAC...I screenshot the page you are inquiring about so you might better decide for yourself.The page of course continues downward through the lower grades, but you were asking about the higher grade levels |
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| That's the actual data I was looking at, so perhaps you can better get a feel for it this way | ||
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| Both GPA and go collect have their +/- Bottom line they are worth what they sell for. I use both sometimes if it is a hot book I use GPA and if it is something that hasnt sold in a while I use go collect and usually get around what they are projecting |
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| And on the other hand a true blue chip book always above listed value | ||
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| Four times over previous sale in four years for a non pedigree, non signed, no golden age book? I will take four copies! | ||
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