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We should have the forum rate our packages. HeinzDad private msg quote post Address this user
Working on a book I noticed the bottom staple was missing. It apparently was never put in being as there is no signs of it. How does this effect grading? Also I realized I need to try reusing gloves, who knows when I’ll be able to re stock those.
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Although I have to defer to the maestro--Steve B.--I really find hard to accept that a missing staple from printing is a flaw in grading. But, that is the edict at CBCS.
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We should have the forum rate our packages. HeinzDad private msg quote post Address this user
I thought a few of the pages were popped thru it. Imagine my relief when I found that it was never there.
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I have a werewolf by night the same way except it’s missing the top staple. It’s a very high grade but was worried about sending it in since it never had a staple on top.
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If it's a Golden Age book, I believe it doesn't make any difference in the grade. If it is a bronze age or newer, I believe it will keep it from the high near mint grades. I'm thinking 9.6 is the highest it could get, but I could be wrong.
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We should have the forum rate our packages. HeinzDad private msg quote post Address this user
I’m hoping for an 8.0 so it sounds like I’m ok.
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If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8. xkonk private msg quote post Address this user
I would agree with Jesse. It's a manufacturing defect.
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I’ll be interested to see my results with one less staple in the way.
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I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life. kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user
It happens. During war time books had one staple to save on iron/steel.
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It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors. chester15 private msg quote post Address this user
Find a big a@@ stapler and staple it!
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We should have the forum rate our packages. HeinzDad private msg quote post Address this user
Vietnam might apply in this instance. Nice observation @kaptainmyke.
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It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors. chester15 private msg quote post Address this user
If it's any help, the Grading Guide in Overstreet Price Guides at 9.4 and LOWER says: "In rare cases, a comic was not stapled at the bindery and therefore has a missing staple; this is not considered a defect."

On grades 9.6 and HIGHER, that statement is not present.
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Working on a book I noticed the bottom staple was missing. It apparently was never put in being as there is no signs of it. How does this effect grading? Also I realized I need to try reusing gloves, who knows when I’ll be able to re stock those.
If the staple was never present it doesn't affect the grade.
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Working on a book I noticed the bottom staple was missing. It apparently was never put in being as there is no signs of it. How does this effect grading? Also I realized I need to try reusing gloves, who knows when I’ll be able to re stock those.
If the staple was never present it doesn't affect the grade.

Not according to your boss Tim.
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I would agree with Jesse. It's a manufacturing defect.


An error is an error. A defect is a defect. I think the argument is what is it.

An error should be noted either on the label. A defect should be reflected in the graders notes and assessed accordingly. That seems to be the trend from examples I’ve seen.

As to A grade hit, that’s left to the interpretation of the grader(s).

Overstreets explanation is contradictory. Don’t go by that. CGC and CBCS May have totally different approaches here.
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I would agree with Jesse. It's a manufacturing defect.


An error is an error. A defect is a defect. I think the argument is what is it.

An error should be noted either on the label. A defect should be reflected in the graders notes and assessed accordingly. That seems to be the trend from examples I’ve seen.

As to A grade hit, that’s left to the interpretation of the grader(s).

Overstreets explanation is contradictory. Don’t go by that. CGC and CBCS May have totally different approaches here.


That's the problem....things left to interpretation. That is why there are grading guidelines, to create consistency. Like a coverless comic cannot exceed X grade, no matter how nice. Or a half inch corner chunk missing from the front cover cannot exceed X grade. Things need to be measurable and accountable, if possible.

There are some things that are up to interpretation, such as the severity of the flaws (light crease vs. heavy crease, clean tear vs. ragged tear), etc. Things that are factual, such as a staple not inserted during the binder process, should have a specific value. You can't interpret a missing staple. It's there, or it's not.

In some grades it may not be important, as other defects are overwhelming it. As you get to high grade specimens, it takes on new meaning. Certainly few would ignore it. Say you are given the choice of two identical NM books, and the NM price is $800, one with the missing staple, one not. Most people would take the book that was correctly assembled. Why take a lesser version? If I place a $20 bill on the one with the missing staple, now which one do you choose? Probably the 2 staple book. How about a $50 bill? The choice is getting tougher. What amount of money would "bribe" you into taking the book with 1 staple? Whatever that number is, that's what the defect is worth. That shows it has dollar value and therefore grading consideration.
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I would agree with Jesse. It's a manufacturing defect.


An error is an error. A defect is a defect. I think the argument is what is it.

An error should be noted either on the label. A defect should be reflected in the graders notes and assessed accordingly. That seems to be the trend from examples I’ve seen.

As to A grade hit, that’s left to the interpretation of the grader(s).

Overstreets explanation is contradictory. Don’t go by that. CGC and CBCS May have totally different approaches here.


That's the problem....things left to interpretation. That is why there are grading guidelines, to create consistency. Like a coverless comic cannot exceed X grade, no matter how nice. Or a half inch corner chunk missing from the front cover cannot exceed X grade. Things need to be measurable and accountable, if possible.

There are some things that are up to interpretation, such as the severity of the flaws (light crease vs. heavy crease, clean tear vs. ragged tear), etc. Things that are factual, such as a staple not inserted during the binder process, should have a specific value. You can't interpret a missing staple. It's there, or it's not.

In some grades it may not be important, as other defects are overwhelming it. As you get to high grade specimens, it takes on new meaning. Certainly few would ignore it. Say you are given the choice of two identical NM books, and the NM price is $800, one with the missing staple, one not. Most people would take the book that was correctly assembled. Why take a lesser version? If I place a $20 bill on the one with the missing staple, now which one do you choose? Probably the 2 staple book. How about a $50 bill? The choice is getting tougher. What amount of money would "bribe" you into taking the book with 1 staple? Whatever that number is, that's what the defect is worth. That shows it has dollar value and therefore grading consideration.


If the book was manufactured with a missing staple it shouldn’t affect grade. Plus it makes it even more rare as an error and more valuable.
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For Golden Age comics, many were produced with only one staple on purpose due to a shortage of steel. Therefore, one staple is not a defect. However, in later years, some comics only got one staple by accident this would be a defect. If 98 out of 100 copies of an issue came with two staples, the 2 with one staple would be considered as having a defect. IMO, that is a manufacturing defect and it doesn't effect a comic except in ultra high grade. I believe that is pretty standard among collectors.
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Want to sell it?
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I bought this wolverine comic a couple of months ago and it has four Staples.
Two in cover four thru the pages.

It was obviously first stapled without a cover so they ran it back thru to staple the cover on at time of manufacturing.
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We should have the forum rate our packages. HeinzDad private msg quote post Address this user
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Want to sell it?
everything has a price, I just don’t think you want to cover the bad purchase I made the other day. I will say, it turned out way better than I thought it would.
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In some grades it may not be important, as other defects are overwhelming it. As you get to high grade specimens, it takes on new meaning. Certainly few would ignore it. Say you are given the choice of two identical NM books, and the NM price is $800, one with the missing staple, one not. Most people would take the book that was correctly assembled. Why take a lesser version? If I place a $20 bill on the one with the missing staple, now which one do you choose? Probably the 2 staple book. How about a $50 bill? The choice is getting tougher. What amount of money would "bribe" you into taking the book with 1 staple? Whatever that number is, that's what the defect is worth. That shows it has dollar value and therefore grading consideration.


You didn’t understand my point. It can still grade 9.8 if it has a manufacturing flaw. Think of it as a “restored 9.8” or “9.8 with off-white pages.” Neither of these are worth the 9.8 unrestored with white pages and have different values for the same book, but they are all 9.8’s.

You need to separate “grade” from “value” sometimes. Like @Zombie_Head said, some think manufacturing errors are more desirable. Like double covers are errors.
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@HeinzDad is that a Swamp Thing #2? If you're looking for 8.0, that's the kind of book I use the lower price Raw Grade service for if planning to sell. Saves about $13 plus you can ship it to a buyer about $6 cheaper. The slab typically won't fetch a $20 selling premium for a book in the $60-$80 value range.
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It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors. chester15 private msg quote post Address this user
@Drogio Oh, you are referring to QUALIFIED grades. Yeah, we would have different viewpoints when you throw those in the mix. I look past the qualified labels to see what they really are INCLUDING the qualifier. THAT'S the grade (to me).

Like, this comic WOULD have been a 9.8 BUT it has off-white pages (so NOT a 9.8). Or this book WOULD have been a 9.8 BUT it was restored from 8.5 (so NOT a 9.8). My car WOULD be brand new BUT it's missing the left front fender (so NOT brand new). I call those the WOULD-BUT versions or Wannabe's.

None of it even matters. It's all deferred until the moment someone wants to sell a comic. Then it's between the buyer and seller, and the buyer's tolerance for whatever the qualifier is. Some will not care, others will care and deduct for it, some will just walk.
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@HeinzDad is that a Swamp Thing #2? If you're looking for 8.0, that's the kind of book I use the lower price Raw Grade service for if planning to sell. Saves about $13 plus you can ship it to a buyer about $6 cheaper. The slab typically won't fetch a $20 selling premium for a book in the $60-$80 value range.
it is. I’m not certain I’m going to slab it. I’m in it at 65 and I’m comfy with that after cnp. I also have this thought of owning 1-10 so it fits my collection. If I did slab it it would be for presentation nod preservation for me not resale.
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