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Quote:Originally Posted by southerncross ...my political rant has been deleted. Stay safe everyone. |
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| It kind of put things into perspective for me when I heard today that a very exclusive local Country Club was closing for a few weeks. Their members are successful business owners and wealthy members of society who take high-level meetings. I realize it's not so much about concern of serious illness as it's concern of being quarantined by association. If they are open and one of the members contracts the virus, then they would make the local news and every member would have to quarantine for 14 days as well as many others by association. They want to be able to say "we've been closed, we haven't been exposed to each other". The same with the schools, we don't want to have to quarantine an entire school because 1 student or teacher is diagnosed with the virus. I think we will see this for 3-4 weeks and then as a society we will say "we've done what we can to minimize things, let's get back to regular life." Many of the shut-downs come with a pre-determined expected re-open date, which reinforces this idea. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by drchaos I've only heard of one case of that happening. I think was is most likely is: she had a cold AND Covid-19. She recovered from the cold, but Covid-19 - which has a long incubation period - hadn't kicked in yet. Then she got sick from Covid-19, after being released because she "recovered." That's just a wild-ass guess on my part and may be wrong. Regardless, the experts think the few reports coming out of Asia regarding re-infections are likely some sort of error in testing or reporting. And they also believe you will be immune after having it once. https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/484942-japan-confirms-first-case-of-person-reinfected?fbclid=IwAR0BIVN131N9-sAKBWegP3Q8dxOXeSfjmWXHL7lluqX9lXZIElI2PnW2SIc |
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| I'm from southern California, so far , in the LA area bars , gyms ate being closed and restaurants are being opened but to a very limited amount and if not just deliveries are being allowed, the thing that worries me is that like 3 towns away from mine theres been a confirmed patient with the virus who passed away last week, butvthat patient also visited 2 towns away from where I live , before she went to the town that took care of her before passing away | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town Isn't Germany one of the countries taking a very pro-active stance on testing, and being successful at it? That would bring the mortality rate way down. Particularly since they haven't been hit hard quite yet. I just checked: Germany has 5813 positive cases, 13 deaths, and 46 recovered. That means there are 5754 active cases there, where they don't know what will happen yet. By contrast, the US has 3774 total cases, 69 deaths, and 12 recovered. To me, that indicates that we aren't testing as many people as Germany, since both the US and Germany have enough ICU capacity (unlike Italy right now) and should have a similar mortality rate for that reason. So it is likely that we actually have more active cases than Germany and just don't know it. In the US, you still can't get tested - because we don't have nearly enough tests - unless you meet stringent criteria ... currently: you are high-risk (such as travel to Asia), have had contact with someone infected, or are severely ill. Just exhibiting symptoms is not enough. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by TedsaidYou might want to check some of the peer reviewed work coming out of China @ infection and re-infection ...the work states a clear cut case of two strains...the first being far more aggressive and lethal, the second likely coming about as a secondary infection originally...that's what the papers so far are suggesting that I have seen. alsp make note...there is some ambiguity in the reports if the problem is re-infection or relapse...relapse seems far more possible |
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| Here is some of the material I have been working though..quite a bit of solid information here, much it peer reviewed studies. https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2020/03/06/Experts-unsure-if-cured-COVID-19-patients-are-reinfected-or-relapsed/8101583529793/ https://www.nejm.org/coronavirus https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/f73mf1/reinfection_theory_more_than_one_covid19_more/ https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/coronavirus-81-of-cases-are-mild-study-says https://www.thelancet.com/coronavirus https://www.vox.com/2020/2/20/21143785/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-transmission-how |
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| Bye Bye conventions - This and the newly released CDC recommendations pretty much end them for at least the next 8 weeks. LEGO Convention Participant Tests Positive for Coronavirus "A person who attended a LEGO convention in North Carolina earlier this month has tested positive for the coronavirus, prompting county health officials to urge others who attended to call an information line to see if they may have been exposed to the virus. The News & Observer reports that Wake County officials said Sunday that the person who attended the BrickUniverse LEGO Fan Convention on March 8 at the Raleigh Convention Center had symptoms of the virus while at the convention and has now tested positive." CDC Recommends Against Gatherings Of 50 Or More |
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| I knew all of this was coming. I also know what is yet to come. All we had to do was watch the situation in China and Italy. Now it's too late for that... All the people that were in denial saying it was less deadly than the cold/flu. Sigh. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town Most likely a relapse. |
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| I'm glad we are expanding testing. South Korea is testing everyone in a hot area. They have been running up to 10,000 tests per day nationally. So, they are capturing people with a wide range of symptoms. From no symptoms to the worst cases in those that test positive. They seem to generating a more accurate fatality rate than in places that aren't aggressively testing. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater agreed and although I understand the drive to manage chaos, our governor just announced 19 new cases and is refusing to say where in the state they are. I am a bit annoyed by that lack of transparency . Especially in a state that is only around 48x37 miles |
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| Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU) clickable text Total Confirmed 174,893 Total Deaths 6,705 Total Recovered 77,657 |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Watcher I can not be stopped, only contained. |
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| NJ just pulled the plug a few minutes ago. All schools close starting Weds; all casinos, gyms, and movie theaters close tonight at 8; bars and restaurants have to switch to carry out/delivery only at 8 going forward; any other place has to close at 8. Essential places like supermarkets and gas stations can keep normal hours, although they've also put in a curfew from 8 PM to 5 AM. My job at the FAA still has issued no instructions for contractors. |
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| @Darkseid_of_town Quote: Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town Most of those sources are questionable at best, especially the ones on the reddit link. Which sources are you considering to be peer reviewed? |
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| This could be huge if the trails get underway Coronavirus Australia: Queensland researchers find ‘cure’, want drug trial "He said one of the medications, given to some of the first people to test positive for COVID-19 in Australia, had already resulted in “disappearance of the virus” and complete recovery from the infection. Prof Paterson, who is also an infectious disease physician at the Royal Brisbane and Women’s Hospital, said it wasn’t a stretch to label the drugs “a treatment or a cure”. “It’s a potentially effective treatment,” he said. “Patients would end up with no viable coronavirus in their system at all after the end of therapy.” The drugs are both already registered and available in Australia." ______________________________________________________________________ "He said the research was sparked by Chinese patients, who were first given the drug in Australia, showing their doctors information on the internet about the treatment used overseas. “Our doctors were very, very surprised that a HIV drug could actually work against the novel coronavirus and there was a bit of scepticism,” he said. “That first wave of Chinese patients we had (in Australia), they all did very, very well when they were treated with the HIV drug." |
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| I've read a little here and there about a possible cure by using an HIV drug therapy but most were dismissive of it. | ||
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| @Towmater Quote: Originally Posted by Towmater These researchers should save their findings until they have divinitie answers. This just gives the researchers a bit of temporary notoriety and gives license to some in the general public to take less precautions. “wipe out the virus in test tubes” - Inside the human body is a little more complex than inside of a test tube. “He said one of the medications resulted in "disappearance of the virus" and complete recovery from the infection”. - Was this patient also quarantined? Because quarantine has also resulted in a “complete recovery from the infection”. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck The question is not what I consider to be peer reviewed or not..it either is or isn't. The first article I posted deals with the issue of relapse and was posted simply as an informative. the 2nd link goes directly to the New England Journal of Medicine...a widely accepted and credited medical source. the reddit link you apparently did not bother to actually view ...but within the article are several links to ...peer reviewed published papers from China dealing directly with the virus and issues of infection , reinfection and relapse...so while Reddit itself in this case is not peer reviewed, the papers within the discussion that it links ARE. The following link....from Medical news today then reports on a paper published by the Chinese center for Disease control...and published in the Journal CCdc weekly, another peer reviewed publication. I posted their summary in the article rather than the actual paper as the paper is highly technical and dry reading, but it is quite simple to view the underlying source within the article, visit and view the source material directly for your self if you had chosen. Some of these papers do also cost to obtain, other than access to the abstract itself, but that is how it works. the following link leads to Lancet, another accredited medical source. Again aother source spot you can run through and chase down links to multiple sources and articles The final link,on vox…..if you read the article, and simply make note...there are multiple links to PAPERS...….each and every place in the article that utilizes darker or slightly altered font is a direct link either to a research paper, or another article with yet more links to papers. …..but you have to take the time and effort to use them . For instance the ones that say New England Journal of Medicine lead to.....the New England Journal of Medicine source where they obtained that information...the link that says an yet unpublished paper leads you directly to that as of now published paper. Little of what I posted is questionable, and most of is either directly peer reviewed, subsequently based off peer review with direct links to , or contains links to peer reviewed study. |
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| I've been thinking atwist bout this a lot lately. I know some members of our community are going to be hit hard economically by the shutdowns. For myself, before I became disabled, I know that if I missed a paycheck, it hurt. If I would have gone without 2 or more paychecks (which fortunately never happened), it would have put me in a major hole. I don't know if there is much we can do to help each other, but I think we could at least give each other moral support. Maybe some people are in a position to do more. Anyway, there is a thread for ideas for pinned topics. I'm thinking a pinned thread for people who are hit financially by this, or who are directly affected by the virus, might be a good idea. What do you all think? If it's a good idea, throw out some good titles. It should be clear that the thread is for people directly affected (either medically or financially) by the coronavirus and the precautions being taken. |
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| @CaptainCanuck Quote: Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck It might give some hope that sometime in the future there could be a treatment or a cure. However, it is a big stretch to think it gives someone license to take less precautions. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O I'm not sure we can do anything for each other but be civil and mindful that we arent the only ones affected. My tenant cant afford to pay rent because no business. I spoke to my room mate and offered a spare bedroom if they eventually have to close up shop completely. Medically the local hospital has cancelled all elective surgeries. So my surgery for Monday is now put off until further notice. (Foot surgery) As bad as I think I have it, I'm sure others are far and away worse off. |
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| @Darkseid_of_town Quote: "The question is not what I consider to be peer reviewed or not..it either is or isn't." - I'm still asking which ones YOU THINK are peer reviewed. Just because a journal posts an article does NOT mean it is peer reviewed (see my comments about your 2nd link, the New England Journal of Medicine and Lancet). "The first article I posted deals with the issue of relapse and was posted simply as an informative." - Not peer reviewed the 2nd link goes directly to the New England Journal of Medicine...a widely accepted and credited medical source. - And?... what’s your point? Pretty much the entire page is filled with commentaries and perspectives which are NOT peer reviewed. "the reddit link you apparently did not bother to actually view ...but within the article are several links to ...peer reviewed published papers from China dealing directly with the virus and issues of infection , reinfection and relapse...so while Reddit itself in this case is not peer reviewed, the papers within the discussion that it links ARE." - Ya, I did. I also read the comments. There is also a sticky on the thread which reads "This post is highly speculative but does not appear to violate any rules". The following link....from Medical news today then reports on a paper published by the Chinese center for Disease control...and published in the Journal CCdc weekly, another peer reviewed publication. I posted their summary in the article rather than the actual paper as the paper is highly technical and dry reading, but it is quite simple to view the underlying source within the article, visit and view the source material directly for your self if you had chosen. Some of these papers do also cost to obtain, other than access to the abstract itself, but that is how it works.[/b] - This was published over a month ago in China to downplay urgency. - The article states "Furthermore, the authors note a “downward trend in the overall epidemic curve.” We now know that this is quite the contrary and the issue has been upgraded to a Pandemic by the World Health Organization. the following link leads to Lancet, another accredited medical source. Again aother source spot you can run through and chase down links to multiple sources and articles - Again, like your 2nd link, correspondence and commentaries which are NOT peer reviewed. The final link,on vox…..if you read the article, and simply make note...there are multiple links to PAPERS...….each and every place in the article that utilizes darker or slightly altered font is a direct link either to a research paper, or another article with yet more links to papers. …..but you have to take the time and effort to use them . For instance the ones that say New England Journal of Medicine lead to.....the New England Journal of Medicine source where they obtained that information...the link that says an yet unpublished paper leads you directly to that as of now published paper. - Its Vox. If going to rely on peer-reviewed literature, post the actual peer-reviewed literature, not some website like Vox's take on it. Also, make certain the article that you post is actually peer reviewed before claiming so. - Just because something is posted online by a journal, does NOT mean it is automatically peer reviewed. Little of what I posted is questionable, and most of is either directly peer reviewed, subsequently based off peer review with direct links to , or contains links to peer reviewed study.[/quote - Not true. The peer review process is exhaustive and lengthy. Many of these links are too recent to have passed the comprehensive peer review process. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O "GoFundMe for those afflicted by the coronavirus and our country's gaping hole of a social safety net" |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuckNot really worth sitting and wasting my time having a little game of tug of war with you.....no if an article is posted that does not mean it is peer reviewed, but an article posted within an accredited journal is SUBJECT to peer review and response. As for which I think are peer reviewed or not, my opinion means nothing and it either is or isn't peer reviewed. That means I dont need to justify my opinion to you …. Since I already stated the first article I posted was NOT peer reviewed and was simply informative, unsure what your point is beyond being rude. the 2nd link goes directly to the New England Journal of Medicine...a widely accepted and credited medical source. - And?... whats your point? Pretty much the entire page is filled with commentaries and perspectives which are NOT peer reviewed. Pretty much the entire page is also filled with links that lead to, peer reviewed topics and other issues as well. Whats YOUR point? did you expect the ads to be peer reviewed as well? as for the reddit article...regardless what sticky this or that you read, the links do go to specific papers that are in fact published and peer review papers...just because the article is labeled speculative does not make it wrong, nor does it make the papers linked within tainted...that is why the link is given and you have to read the paper and responses, which you did not seem to Urgency? published in china? so what? Neither factor disqualifies the accuracy of the paper underlying the report. You either bothered to link to the quoted paper and read it as well as the reponses or did not...but that doesn't mean the paper is invalid due to of all the idiocy...urgency or being from China...the science community is international in scope and papers are published all over the world...unless you are trying to imply something racist in regards to china. The article states "Furthermore, the authors note a “downward trend in the overall epidemic curve.” We now know that this is quite the contrary and the issue has been upgraded to a Pandemic by the World Health Oranization. How ingenius of you to first point out it was published a month ago while the epidemic was local in china then attempt to discredit it based on the fact it has become an international pandemic, which the papers authoers could not have known at the time . Lancet, much like my 2nd item, also full of links to papers, and peer reviewed studies as well....nice try though. err yeah so that's outright ignorant there...I can post vox if I choose because they DO base the article on peer reviewed work, and there are DIRECT links within that article to the studies. Sorry, the world doesn't revolve to your set of rules....sorry the world isn't set to your own rules, but some sites publish summaries and only link to the papers. If you are too lazy and expect someone to do all the research for you watch the news, rather than tearing apart people who make the effort to provide scicence based facts. You seem to be arguing in circles...so papers recently published that lack a peer reponse are for your thought not valid, simply because noone has responded to them in the middle of a world crisis yet? And had you looked through them, many of the papers do contain response or summary information for them as well....on the one hand you complain about urgency and a month having passed but then minutes later complain they are too new to have recived responses yet...ugh. All I am going to say....go apply your rules to someone else, or tell someone else how they can post. I gave my sources, direct links, and multiple papers to support my posting. Not here to play semantics with you, thanks |
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| @Darkseid_of_town Quote: "As for which I think are peer reviewed or not, my opinion means nothing and it either is or isn't peer reviewed." - Your opinion does mean something. You have opined that most of these articles are peer reviewed, when they are not. |
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| Like I said, my opinion means nothing. It is up to the reader to determine the facts. I disagree with your statement, there is indeed a quite ample amount of solid peer reviewable or peer reviewed information in my posting. Being too lazy to pursue those links or access said papers and maerials isn't within my ability to address for others. Have a great day... |
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| @Darkseid_of_town Speaking of laziness, you are asking the reader to go and verify your sources for you to make sure you aren't lying about them being "peer reviewed". Why don't you post links to those supposed "peer-reviewed" articles right here? |
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